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#214187 by Kramerguy
Tue May 07, 2013 3:11 pm
yod wrote:
Kramerguy wrote:
A lawyer says they represent an unnamed person(s), who are claiming they are being threatened by unnamed officials, and are not willing to say if those unnamed victims are directly or indirectly involved with bengazi, and that they are part of either the cia or the state department.

The information is so incredibly vague that I could see why nobody in the MSM would pick it up, except fox of course, whose agenda is so incredibly right-slanted and anti-obama, that I'd have been surprised if they didn't run that story. This goes back to my disapproval of the lack-of-fact reporting about the boston bombers.. They don't have the facts, but they would be happy to demonize someone over the few potentially misleading facts they do have.




It's not vague. It is protecting the identity of people being harrassed by the Administration.


Here are the facts that can be stated at this time and known:

At least four career officials at the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency have retained lawyers or are in the process of doing so, as they prepare to provide sensitive information about the Benghazi attacks to Congress.






That is a story which every news outlet should be jumping on. It's a story you should be interested in, but instead you turn it into a monologue about how you don't trust Fox News.


Do you hear any other news outlets even trying to break this story? Evidently Fox News is the only one who is not in Obama's back pocket.

That alone makes them more credible, so I'll continue checking their news reports out...and can ignore the Dept of Propoganda (msnbc, nbc, cbs, abc, CNN, etc) knowing they won't report what is most important to the survival of our Republic, having been bought with George Soros' $54 million "media investment" dollars, but using tax shelters provided by American citizens.


Sad that our media has come to this point, but it is what it is.

The Democrat Party is now ruled and ruling by fear, intimidation, pain, and shame. They must do this because they have nothing to aspire to. So sad. The Republicans used to have a backbone but those days are gone as long as the Baner is in Washington.

My dad would be pretty ticked off about it. Glad he's gone now.


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I never said that the investigations shouldn't go on. I said the reporters haven't enough information to properly inform you, or I. Clearly this whole thing is being done with secrecy, so all you know from this report is that it's being done. How does that help anyone?

I'm all for getting the facts, but from the reporting I've seen, facts regarding benghazi seem far and few between. It's clear that things don't add up, but there's also state secrets involved that tell me that I am missing key information that would likely affect my opinion on the matter.

So why would I assume anything? Let them do their investigation. Public or not, the one thing I know is that John Q Public will not know the truth for 50 years or more, long after we're dead.

#214192 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Tue May 07, 2013 3:27 pm
I'm all for getting the facts, but from the reporting I've seen, facts regarding benghazi seem far and few between.


And yet do you hear the media asking for facts or details? No...you don't...because reporting the truth would hurt a liberal/socialist/democrat. If the media had done their job, it might have stopped a re-election of the criminal in charge of this cover up.

If it would have hurt a decent person (conservative) it would still be headlines.



Here's proof of that statement.

http://www.examiner.com/article/media-s ... bert-busch

#214194 by J-HALEY
Tue May 07, 2013 4:30 pm
Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton went to bed on 9/11/12 knowing Americans who depended on them were being slaughtered in the name of Allah! They also knew it could have been prevented but did NOTHING! They are now covering it up and the liberal media is looking the other way! All witnesses have been separated and reassigned! :roll:

#214195 by Kramerguy
Tue May 07, 2013 5:36 pm
when you form an opinion, the best way to go about it is to apply the scientific theory of Occam's Razor, which basically in layman's terms means that if all things are considered equal, the most obvious conclusion is usually the correct one.

#214196 by jimmydanger
Tue May 07, 2013 6:12 pm
Quite right Kramer with one small refinement to your Occam's Razor:

If all things are considered equal, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Things can be simple but not always obvious. For example, gravity is probably a simple force, yet how and why it works is not obvious. Okay, back to the regularly scheduled debate.

#214198 by J-HALEY
Tue May 07, 2013 6:37 pm
jimmydanger wrote:Quite right Kramer with one small refinement to your Occam's Razor:

If all things are considered equal, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Things can be simple but not always obvious. For example, gravity is probably a simple force, yet how and why it works is not obvious. Okay, back to the regularly scheduled debate.


2+2=4 people Geeze I thought you guys are smart. In a Muslim country an attack on 9/11 of the u.s embassy this ain't rocket science folks :?

#214201 by jimmydanger
Tue May 07, 2013 7:18 pm
I don't think anyone is denying that it was a terrorist attack, although there is no evidence that it was organized or staged. Just a bunch of pissed off people doing what pissed off people do. Same as the Boston bombers; pissed off but not organized or supported by a larger organization. This is the new face of terrorism; homegrown terrorists doing what they can with whatever materials they can pull together.

#214203 by J-HALEY
Tue May 07, 2013 7:55 pm
jimmydanger wrote:I don't think anyone is denying that it was a terrorist attack, although there is no evidence that it was organized or staged. Just a bunch of pissed off people doing what pissed off people do. Same as the Boston bombers; pissed off but not organized or supported by a larger organization. This is the new face of terrorism; homegrown terrorists doing what they can with whatever materials they can pull together.


Jimmy you are hereby off ignore LOL! Come on dude are you blind man? These are without a doubt terrorist attacks in the name of Allah! I swear you are in denial!

#214205 by jimmydanger
Tue May 07, 2013 8:25 pm
Who cares who the attacks were in the name of. There's no evidence that they were organized. Period.

#214206 by J-HALEY
Tue May 07, 2013 9:02 pm
Uh, a massive group of folks attacking with mortar fire constitutes organization in my book!

#214211 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Tue May 07, 2013 11:30 pm
jimmydanger wrote:Who cares who the attacks were in the name of. There's no evidence that they were organized. Period.



The President of Libya said otherwise on the day it happened.

And the compound had asked for more security because there had been trial runs, and testing of it's defenses.

The reason this is being covered up is because we were illegally supplying arms to rebel in Syria (al queda) and that knowledge would have embaressed our Turkish allies, not to mention be grounds for treason charges right before the election.

To protect his own political aspirations, Obama let an Ambassador and 2 Navy Seals not only get killed but sodomized, raped, and tortured when it could have been stopped.

That's a coward in my book.



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#214214 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Tue May 07, 2013 11:43 pm
jimmydanger wrote:Who cares who the attacks were in the name of. There's no evidence that they were organized. Period.


We have an impeachable cover up going on. This is far worse than watergate.

We had an AMERICAN ambassador assassinated by terrorists.

Jimmy not only was it glossed over, but it influenced a national election.

Thanks Jimmy... The value of life is very low on your scale. Not mine.

#214230 by jimmydanger
Wed May 08, 2013 12:32 pm
They were doing a dangerous job in a dangerous place during a dangerous time. A policeman goes to work everyday knowing he might not come home. Same with these folks. It was a terrible incident but remember, we are at war with these people. There's going to be lots of casualties on both sides. But coverup? Pffft.

#214231 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Wed May 08, 2013 2:01 pm
jimmydanger wrote:But coverup? Pffft.



How can you say that when they won't answer legitimate questions, and they intimidate and silence the people who could answer questions?


Are you aware that several high-ranking military (mostly Navy) in the area have been silenced? Some where demoted or transferred because they were outspoken about not being allowed to rescue or retaliate while this attack was going on.

I don't know, Jimbo....but my dad always said if you throw a rock down a dark alley and something screams, then you hit it.




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#214233 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Wed May 08, 2013 2:17 pm
GLENNY J wrote:
Thanks Jimmy... The value of life is very low on your scale. Not mine.



Oh give him more credit than that. In his mind he is protecting innocent people from unfounded rumor. The truth will soon come out and hopefully he will be convinced beyond doubt by the facts...or we will be proven wrong.

In my opinion, the difference between what he thinks and what Jeff thinks is all in who you trust to tell you the truth.

I think Jimmy gives the major (liberal) media way too much credibility, but I think we tend to trust Fox unreservedly also. Everyone is being manipulated at least a little. It's just a little more obvious at MSNBC.

So let's stop aggravating each other with darts and learn from each other's perspective. If you go to Detroit, you'll understand Jimmy better. If you go to Houston, you'll understand Jeff better.

After politics they are almost the same people otherwise. They freakin' ROCK on a guitar and this place should be about a brotherhood among musicians. Yea we can cuss each other out onstage or off, but let's try to give respect and all benefit of doubt regarding motivation.

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