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Nice! If it weren't for the missing teeth, you'd probably discard that fantasy from the rest of your pile of karma Sutra photos...

so ted, i have to ask since i know you consider yourself a devout follower of the bible.

by your reasoning above.....do you cotton to these tenets that are put forth in the bible?

I'm SO glad you asked!






As mentioned in an earlier place, these verses taken by themselves lack all context for who said it and why.

Should I go through each one individually?

i wish you would have waited for me to answer. the answer being "no".

every time you, or anyone else takes the time to explain the TRUE meaning of each of those examples from the bible....you just keep my my point again, and again.

my point being ( this is now the umpteenth and last time i'll lay it out ) was, and remains that you defenders of the bible and christianity will explain the TRUE nature of god's intentions and wishes are and cry "Yeah, those few lines taken out of context don't reflect the whole story and don't represent what true christianity is about."

and a non violent, non radical muslim could just as easily point to equally the koran's outrageous calls to bloodletting from god above......and give you their TRUE meaning of what those verses are about... and what allah's TRUE intentions, and wishes are...next, they would probably shout out in the same words you used... ""Yeah, those few lines taken out of context don't reflect the whole story and don't represent what true islam is about."

this is getting old and if we were jawing over this w a cpl of good beers before us (ted, slacker, george, glen, grant, kg) it would likely be more enjoyable....as it is, i am saying asta la vista to this thread... and hopefully these kinds of discussions in general around here. (yeah, and now, WHO'S taking bets on long i'll be doing THAT kind of refraining.)


one thing that i do hope i've gotten across is that i have no problem w anyone's religious beliefs. whatever floats yer boat as my mom likes to say.

go w god. (or not)

Mark, do you Promise this will be the last time you lay it out for us? Thank you!

sorry, jeff but i trust you know if ya don't get it in writing...it don't mean $hit.

so ted, i have to ask since i know you consider yourself a devout follower of the bible.

by your reasoning above.....do you cotton to these tenets that are put forth in the bible?

I'm SO glad you asked!






As mentioned in an earlier place, these verses taken by themselves lack all context for who said it and why.

Should I go through each one individually?

i wish you would have waited for me to answer. the answer being "no".

every time you, or anyone else takes the time to explain the TRUE meaning of each of those examples from the bible....you just keep my my point again, and again.

my point being ( this is now the umpteenth and last time i'll lay it out ) was, and remains that you defenders of the bible and christianity will explain the TRUE nature of god's intentions and wishes are and cry "Yeah, those few lines taken out of context don't reflect the whole story and don't represent what true christianity is about."

and a non violent, non radical muslim could just as easily point to equally the koran's outrageous calls to bloodletting from god above......and give you their TRUE meaning of what those verses are about... and what allah's TRUE intentions, and wishes are...next, they would probably shout out in the same words you used... ""Yeah, those few lines taken out of context don't reflect the whole story and don't represent what true islam is about."

this is getting old and if we were jawing over this w a cpl of good beers before us (ted, slacker, george, glen, grant, kg) it would likely be more enjoyable....as it is, i am saying asta la vista to this thread... and hopefully these kinds of discussions in general around here. (yeah, and now, WHO'S taking bets on long i'll be doing THAT kind of refraining.)


one thing that i do hope i've gotten across is that i have no problem w anyone's religious beliefs. whatever floats yer boat as my mom likes to say.

go w god. (or not)

Mark, do you Promise this will be the last time you lay it out for us? Thank you!

sorry, jeff but i trust you know if ya don't get it in writing...it don't mean $hit.

Dayum one can always hope!

my point being ( this is now the umpteenth and last time i'll lay it out ) was, and remains that you defenders of the bible and christianity will explain the TRUE nature of god's intentions and wishes are and cry "Yeah, those few lines taken out of context don't reflect the whole story and don't represent what true christianity is about."

and a non violent, non radical muslim could just as easily point to equally the koran's outrageous calls to bloodletting from god above......and give you their TRUE meaning of what those verses are about... and what allah's TRUE intentions, and wishes are...next, they would probably shout out in the same words you used... ""Yeah, those few lines taken out of context don't reflect the whole story and don't represent what true islam is about."

Sure they could, but it wouldn't be the truth. And I completely understood that to be your point. The problem is that your point is not true. Does the truth matter?

I was just explaining why your point was so flawed. You don't have to look at the evidence if you don't want to see the truth. But I live in this world of studying and understanding the various religious texts while you just shoot spitballs at it once in a while...

That would be like me telling you how to conduct an orchestra, if I can't read music or identify a cello.


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i think i got it now.

it's "shooting spitballs" when someone insults your beliefs and takes bible verses out of context.....but it's NOT when the same is done about the koran.

yep, no double standard there.

Consider this. Many Christians have drifted from the faith through disobedience to the gospel. They follow SOME of the teachings and through self justification disregard the commandments that they do not wish to uphold. We are called sinners saved through grace. (If we repent of our disobedience)

It is the same with Muslims.

Christians that strictly follow the law are deemed as radical fundamentalists. They are commanded to Love their enemies.

Muslims that strictly follow the Qurans laws of Jihad are deemed as radical fundamentalists. They are commanded to destroy the infidel.

here's an olive branch for the devout (and not so devout) christian friends to show no hard feelings.

this is from Bruce Cockburn after he rediscovered his christianity. an amusing and respectful take on christ's birth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmZlYiMCvSc


"Cry Of A Tiny Babe" B Cockburn

Mary grows a child without the help of a man
Joseph get upset because he doesn't understand
Angel comes to Joseph in a powerful dream
Says "God did this and you're part of his scheme"
Joseph comes to Mary with his hat in his hand
Says "forgive me I thought you'd been with some other man"
She says "what if I had been - but I wasn't anyway and guess what
I felt the baby kick today"

Like a stone on the surface of a still river
Driving the ripples on forever
Redemption rips through the surface of time
In the cry of a tiny babe

The child is born in the fullness of time
Three wise astrologers take note of the signs
Come to pay their respects to the fragile little king
Get pretty close to wrecking everything
'Cause the governing body of the Holy Land
Is that of Herod, a paranoid man
Who when he hears there's a baby born King of the Jews
Sends death squads to kill all male children under two
But that same bright angel warns the parents in a dream
And they head out for the border and get away clean

Like a stone on the surface of a still river
Driving the ripples on forever
Redemption rips through the surface of time
In the cry of a tiny babe

There are others who know about this miracle birth
The humblest of people catch a glimpse of their worth
For it isn't to the palace that the Christ child comes
But to shepherds and street people, hookers and bums
And the message is clear if you have ears to hear
That forgiveness is given for your guilt and your fear
It's a Christmas gift that you don't have to buy
There's a future shining in a baby's eyes

Like a stone on the surface of a still river
Driving the ripples on forever
Redemption rips through the surface of time
In the cry of a tiny babe

i think i got it now.

it's "shooting spitballs" when someone insults your beliefs and takes bible verses out of context.....but it's NOT when the same is done about the koran.

yep, no double standard there.

You have no background or dedication to study the topic you are pretending to have knowledge about.

I encourage you to express your opinions...but it's obvious that your opinions are given in ignorance of the facts. It would be better to admit that you don't know if you are only going to look surface deep. On the other hand, I live in this world and have studied these issues intensely for the last 23 years.

Again, I ask you to name just one Islamic nation with an Islamic government that allows freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of anything.

You can't do it, so you deflect with this simplistic cliche' about double standards. Duly noted.

I also know a lot of muslims, hundreds of them. Almost every single one of them are good friends, and good people.

I do not condone generalizations of them as "radicals" but all muslims carry the seed of radicalization within them once they have committed the Koran to memory. All it takes is the right "teacher" to water those seeds.

Did you see the interview with the mother of the Boston bombers? Though her and her sons have always been muslim, she spoke in the interview about how some guy named "Misha" recently spoke to them about how they should obey and observe the Quran. Her sons became radical immediately after that...and it's a story repeated every day.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/vi ... -misha.cnn


People who observe and obey ALL of the Koran are radical terrorists. There is no other option.

People who observe and obey ALL of the Bible are building hospitals, universities, homes for the homeless, creating art, etc..

There are, of course, exceptions but that is a generalization you can make with some semblance of accuracy.


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Here's another great example of the double-standards of demonizing the right....


according to the media (Dept of Propoganda) I'm supposed to give a rip about Sarah Palin's daughter being pregnant...but Obama intimidating and threatening witnesses in a Congressional investigation isn't newsworthy.


When you read this, I would like to know why impeachment and treason charges aren't already in motion.






Obama administration officials threatened whistle-blowers on Benghazi, lawyer says
By James Rosen

At least four career officials at the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency have retained lawyers or are in the process of doing so, as they prepare to provide sensitive information about the Benghazi attacks to Congress, Fox News has learned.

Victoria Toensing, a former Justice Department official and Republican counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee, is now representing one of the State Department employees. She told Fox News her client and some of the others, who consider themselves whistle-blowers, have been threatened by unnamed Obama administration officials.

“I'm not talking generally, I'm talking specifically about Benghazi – that people have been threatened,” Toensing said in an interview Monday. “And not just the State Department. People have been threatened at the CIA.”

Toensing declined to name her client. She also refused to say whether the individual was on the ground in Benghazi on the night of Sept. 11, 2012, when terrorist attacks on two U.S. installations in the Libyan city killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens.

However, Toensing disclosed that her client has pertinent information on all three time periods investigators consider relevant to the attacks: the months that led up to the attack, when pleas by the ambassador and his staff for enhanced security in Benghazi were mostly rejected by senior officers at the State Department; the eight-hour time frame in which the attacks unfolded, and the eight-day period that followed the attacks, when Obama administration officials incorrectly described them as the result of a spontaneous protest over a video.

“It's frightening, and they're doing some very despicable threats to people,” she said. “Not ‘we're going to kill you,’ or not ‘we're going to prosecute you tomorrow,’ but they're taking career people and making them well aware that their careers will be over [if they cooperate with congressional investigators].”

Yod, I agree with what you are saying with the hypocrisy, and it does exist on both sides. There are many, many articles on even the left-wing sites about Obama's expanding persecution on whistleblowers. You might be surprised that much of the independent media on the left is very critical of the obama administration, including the man himself. Many of these left-leaners tend to gravitate to the 'progressive' side of left politics, separating themselves from the "liberal" lefty who has continued to support obama.

I've argued that both parties are the same in the end-game, but the media and public are still very much partisan.

Anyways, regarding the story you cited-

What I get from it is:

A lawyer says they represent an unnamed person(s), who are claiming they are being threatened by unnamed officials, and are not willing to say if those unnamed victims are directly or indirectly involved with bengazi, and that they are part of either the cia or the state department.

The information is so incredibly vague that I could see why nobody in the MSM would pick it up, except fox of course, whose agenda is so incredibly right-slanted and anti-obama, that I'd have been surprised if they didn't run that story. This goes back to my disapproval of the lack-of-fact reporting about the boston bombers.. They don't have the facts, but they would be happy to demonize someone over the few potentially misleading facts they do have.

A lawyer says they represent an unnamed person(s), who are claiming they are being threatened by unnamed officials, and are not willing to say if those unnamed victims are directly or indirectly involved with bengazi, and that they are part of either the cia or the state department.

The information is so incredibly vague that I could see why nobody in the MSM would pick it up, except fox of course, whose agenda is so incredibly right-slanted and anti-obama, that I'd have been surprised if they didn't run that story. This goes back to my disapproval of the lack-of-fact reporting about the boston bombers.. They don't have the facts, but they would be happy to demonize someone over the few potentially misleading facts they do have.

It's not vague. It is protecting the identity of people being harrassed by the Administration.


Here are the facts that can be stated at this time and known:

At least four career officials at the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency have retained lawyers or are in the process of doing so, as they prepare to provide sensitive information about the Benghazi attacks to Congress.






That is a story which every news outlet should be jumping on. It's a story you should be interested in, but instead you turn it into a monologue about how you don't trust Fox News.


Do you hear any other news outlets even trying to break this story? Evidently Fox News is the only one who is not in Obama's back pocket.

That alone makes them more credible, so I'll continue checking their news reports out...and can ignore the Dept of Propoganda (msnbc, nbc, cbs, abc, CNN, etc) knowing they won't report what is most important to the survival of our Republic, having been bought with George Soros' $54 million "media investment" dollars, but using tax shelters provided by American citizens.


Sad that our media has come to this point, but it is what it is.

The Democrat Party is now ruled and ruling by fear, intimidation, pain, and shame. They must do this because they have nothing to aspire to. So sad. The Republicans used to have a backbone but those days are gone as long as the Baner is in Washington.

My dad would be pretty ticked off about it. Glad he's gone now.







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A lawyer says they represent an unnamed person(s), who are claiming they are being threatened by unnamed officials, and are not willing to say if those unnamed victims are directly or indirectly involved with bengazi, and that they are part of either the cia or the state department.

The information is so incredibly vague that I could see why nobody in the MSM would pick it up, except fox of course, whose agenda is so incredibly right-slanted and anti-obama, that I'd have been surprised if they didn't run that story. This goes back to my disapproval of the lack-of-fact reporting about the boston bombers.. They don't have the facts, but they would be happy to demonize someone over the few potentially misleading facts they do have.

It's not vague. It is protecting the identity of people being harrassed by the Administration.


Here are the facts that can be stated at this time and known:

At least four career officials at the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency have retained lawyers or are in the process of doing so, as they prepare to provide sensitive information about the Benghazi attacks to Congress.






That is a story which every news outlet should be jumping on. It's a story you should be interested in, but instead you turn it into a monologue about how you don't trust Fox News.


Do you hear any other news outlets even trying to break this story? Evidently Fox News is the only one who is not in Obama's back pocket.

That alone makes them more credible, so I'll continue checking their news reports out...and can ignore the Dept of Propoganda (msnbc, nbc, cbs, abc, CNN, etc) knowing they won't report what is most important to the survival of our Republic.

Sad that our media has come to this point, but it is what it is.

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http://rt.com/usa/benghazi-whistleblowe ... ation-664/

"Obama’s government has always maintained it treated the incident with the utmost transparency."

I had soup coming out of my nose over that one. Real funny.


Please don't tell me anyone here actually believes that? It's a proven lie and a tired one at that.

Tell a big lie long enough and those who aren't paying attention start to believe it. - paraphrased from Goebells

PS: I liked your old pic, you know the one of the old guy looking like he has to crap. That one I believe.

Yod,


Are you a hacker??? How did you get my picture?

"Obama’s government has always maintained it treated the incident with the utmost transparency."

I had soup coming out of my nose over that one. Real funny.


Please don't tell me anyone here actually believes that? It's a proven lie and a tired one at that.

Tell a big lie long enough and those who aren't paying attention start to believe it. - paraphrased from Goebells

Please Yod, please, please... Don't tell me it was bean soup.