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Mr Haley

Or you could think of it this way - if Gore had won it's possible we'd be in much better shape.

A - Gore was and is, incompetent at a level that excites mirth just looking at him. I like that in politicians! They can't hurt you as much

B - the Republicans would have fought him tooth and nail - resulting hopefully, in gridlock.

C - Gore would not have invaded Iraq.

D - Bush created so many targets with his (and later Obama's) goofy strategy of attacking the whole world that finding Bin Laden was needle in the haystack stuff and took ten years. Bush let him get away (deliberately) when we hit Tora Bora under his agreement with Pakistan to let their nationals flee across the border. How could Gore have done a worse job?

E - we'd be a much richer country - the Republicans wouldn't have let Gore get much legislation passed, we wouldn't have DHS, TSA and all that other fascist nonsense and we'd have printed a lot less money - meaning our current dollars would be better dollars - worth six cents instead of a nickel against 1900 dollars...

But who knows...

Talbot

Gore has proven himself a liar and a con man beyond any doubt. At least this potus said what he planned to do before he was elected in either term.

Unfortunately the stupids couldn't hear what he was telling them other than how much free stuff he would give them.

If you honestly think Gore would have been any different in policy or actions, then you haven't got a solid grasp on the level of corporate domination in our government today. The only difference would be in the style of the speeches. The messages, and actions tied to them would be exactly the same. Doesn't matter who you vote for in 2016, you will get the same result either way. I guarantee it.

Unless we actually wake up and vote in a 3rd party, but it can't happen for the simple reason that 98% of the country has been brainwashed to believe that it can't. Ironic, isn't it?

If you honestly think Gore would have been any different in policy or actions, then you haven't got a solid grasp on the level of corporate domination in our government today.

You have now lost any shred of credibility.


Gore was as delusional then as he is now. NO, if he had been elected President you would already be taxed annually on your weight (and the weight of your car) and by how much you breathe.


Only Kerry could have been worse. It's hard not to LOVE Bush when those are your choices.





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If you honestly think Gore would have been any different in policy or actions, then you haven't got a solid grasp on the level of corporate domination in our government today.

You have now lost any shred of credibility.


Gore was as delusional then as he is now. NO, if he had been elected President you would already be taxed annually on your weight (and the weight of your car) and by how much you breathe.


Only Kerry could have been worse. It's hard not to LOVE Bush when those are your choices.





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How so? The past 5 presidents have followed the same exact template. Do you believe someone isn't pulling their strings? They are nothing more than puppets. They say otherwise, but actions speak louder than words, and the past 5 administrations actions have spoken loud and clear. More war. Less rights. More deregulation. More prisons. Less welfare. More suffering. Less tolerance. more police. More brutality. More corporate bailouts. Less justice. More corruption. Less sense.

The one thing that sticks out, with every prez, we get the forward motion increasing.

Your perceived value of my credibility means nothing. An open mind cannot be closed, and a closed mind cannot be opened.

Gore has proven himself a liar and a con man beyond any doubt. At least this potus said what he planned to do before he was elected in either term.

Unfortunately the stupids couldn't hear what he was telling them other than how much free stuff he would give them.

He basically defiled the Nobel Peace Priize. Now, I keep expecting it to show up now in somebody's box of Cracker-Jacks.

An MRI typically gets billed out at @4-6K per patient/per appt,

!!! My daughter's MRI was about 21K. How bout THEM apples? California ! nuff said.

They say otherwise, but actions speak louder than words, and the past 5 administrations actions have spoken loud and clear. More war. Less rights. More deregulation. More prisons. Less welfare. More suffering. Less tolerance. more police. More brutality. More corporate bailouts. Less justice. More corruption. Less sense.


The one thing that sticks out, with every prez, we get the forward motion increasing.

Agree - all presidents are wacked, but going back much further.
But you have a different view of the world than I do:

More regulation = less rights
More tolerance requires more police (e.g. hate crimes... really?)
More welfare is exactly the type of dependance that wins votes. It's a dictators dream to dumb down the people and make them reliant on their programs.

Welfare should be handled by non-profits / churches, not the govt, and those should be run by local chapters so they individuals who run the shelters / welfare programs know who the recipients are so they can apply discretion. If you're just a number to a system of hand-outs, then all you need to know is how to work a pen.

Mr. Kramer

I've voted for Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul. I'd vote for my cat if she ran against a republican or democrat.

Sadly, voting makes exactly no difference. Between the banksters, the Coopted Media, Academe (using the term lightly) and the government skunks constantly enlarging their domain - I have to conclude that we are pretty much hosed...

Perhaps there is a rational reason for a broke country to import millions of new immigrants and give them immediate access to welfare, food stamps and healthcare. I guess there must be eh? Both the republicans and democrats seem to think so.

We have the best leaders money can buy. God help us.

Talbot

I'd vote for your cat as well.

Meow-meow-meow-meow.. lol

Mr. Kramer

I've voted for Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul. I'd vote for my cat if she ran against a republican or democrat.

Sadly, voting makes exactly no difference. Between the banksters, the Coopted Media, Academe (using the term lightly) and the government skunks constantly enlarging their domain - I have to conclude that we are pretty much hosed...

Perhaps there is a rational reason for a broke country to import millions of new immigrants and give them immediate access to welfare, food stamps and healthcare. I guess there must be eh? Both the republicans and democrats seem to think so.

We have the best leaders money can buy. God help us.

Talbot

Voting does matter, but most people just don't get it. Is there voter fraud? hell yes. Does it affect the outcome of elections? Hell yes! Look at 2000/2004.. both were meddled with by both parties, and could have gone either way, easily.

The real power lies not in the close elections but the sweeps. If 90% of the population voted for ross perot- no amount of D or R election meddling, redistricting, dead ppl vothing, will EVER overcome the popular vote. All it takes is ONE election to change the world- and yet, 90% (more like 98% in my opinion) of the voting public are too stupid, partisan, and brainwashed to realize it. Or worse, too scared to actually embrace change. To many, the status-quo, no matter how dismal, is still better than a sweeping change.

That's why I continually repeat that while I'm unhappy with this country, and despise both parties, and complain constantly, the simple fact is that the USA is a sh*t hole and we did it to ourselves. The people are the only ones who can enable the change. And we fail to do so, every 2 and 4 years with the potus and congressional elections. and thus: WE DESERVE IT.

An MRI typically gets billed out at @4-6K per patient/per appt,

!!! My daughter's MRI was about 21K. How bout THEM apples? California ! nuff said.

I'm not surprised at all... CA hospitals are greedy, No other way to say it. I have a friend , who's mom was a doctor at Kaiser Permanante. They ragged on her to keep patient visits down to no more than 8 minutes, tops. She was so incensed by that, that she told em to take a flying leap and quit the hospital. Now she has her own small clinic.