General Music Chat

You telling me you can't use the spell checker, Vamp?

(That's the squiggly red line under your misspellings.)

I don't know about you, but I cringe when you beat the living sh*t out of the English language. Then again I cringe reading half the drunken, faqed up political rhetoric that you political pukes write most of the time.

And yet you don't run for office...I wonder why that is.
Surely has nothing to do with facts and figures, right?

You can be a bitch if you like, it doesn't bother me even one iota.
You can fade into obscurity. You can claim you have no internet.
In short, it's easy not to do what you set out to do but how hard is it to accomplish that which one sets their mind to?

Keep talking inane political tripe, that will make everything better. (or will it?)

Have a drink, have a few drinks...hell drink like you have no bottom.
Oh and talk a pile of nothing. That's the instrumental portion of this, the nothing talk. You know, you walk around beating your drum but YOU DO NOTHING.

Is the meteor still coming>? I sure hope so.
Are we on the brink of the apocalypse? I think you have no idea, but that won't stop the delineated discussion about policy you are ready to do nothing for, to or about.

One does not need to know the precise spelling or pronunciation of anything in this forum, especially nothing music related because the moral majority in here isn't in the business of creating ANYTHING at all.

It's just talk and booze (and not necessarily in that order, either.)

It's amazing I can write as plastered as I am currently and still I can spell AND punctuate with the help of my buddy, the squiggly red line.

"Know i donnat no wat u maen, ner do i car".

You'd be a hit on Fox News..replace Glenn Beck. Anyone will do..anyone at all any rhetoric, any time. (slap yourself 3x if you don't know what rhetoric is.)

I get my news from a variety of sources, mostly not american. American news is laughed at by the whole world, friends and foes. I try to read between the lines, and separate the facts from the conjecture, opinions, and outright lies. No news source is perfect, or even close. Pay close enough attention and the patterns emerge and you can absolutely gain a better vantage than just blindly trusting any one news source.

So suggest otherwise is simply the defining hallmarks of ignorance and stubbornness.

SO, you trust foreign news agencies, who report about America, more than you trust American news agencies who report about America. I wonder if you actually believe that those other countries report on US with our interest in mind. Well, I have it on very good authority that they 'dont'.

Whoops, there I go again with my defined hallmark of ignorance and stubbornest.

A big deal, huh?

...Scott it is good to see that you did not leave. There are a host of good reasons why despite the spell checker many including myself post misspellings. I seem to recall it was you who got me to start to use paragraphs on here ... I thank you for that.

I agree that it is painful when what is left of the English language is butchered. I am guilty at times. As a "political puke" (I have never been called that before) I do go on, do I not ? I have no desire to complain about you ... I know from personal experience that it does not faze you. That is one of the reasons I have come to actually like you.I would have truly missed you if you would have left.

I exist in obscurity Scott. I did not have Internet simply because we could not pay for it and had to "prioritize" what little funds were available. I do what I do ... whatever that is and however anyone wishes to label it. And I do not have to be drunk to do it.

I should think it is quite obvious even to the most drunk why I for one would never "run" for any office of the political/corporate filth and scum ??? I agree you would know much about "talk" ... armed with your spell checker and empty bottle. Ah but you see what you entice me to do ? But I shall not condemn you for I am indeed no better than you or many on here. I would love to sit around a fire with you and just drink and chat in a friendly forthcoming and frank manner.

Fox News ... you embarrass yourself having to reach so far and low off the mark to attempt to fabricate an insult. The man made Apocalypse has arrived a while ago and exactly when Nature will do it's thing is anyones guess. It is all coming sooner or later and in one way or another .... this is as certain as the Reaper.

In the meantime relax at least regarding me Scott ... for I have no quarrel with you and have come to respect and like you in many ways. If I truly offended you then please accept my apology. You are to me one of the main elements within this Forum. Your perspective and "unique approach" strikes it's mark more often than not.

PaperDog ... trust no News Agency, Foreign nor Domestic as their motivation is not providing real news no matter what country they are in or speak of. In my opinion debating such trifle is truly a waste of time now. Many of us here have very strong and different opinions but we discus them nevertheless. This is good I think for everyone. You are one of those and have my respect as does Slacker.

I am generally annoyed by anything on Faux News but the judge reflects the sentiment of millions of Americans. We opened our arms and gave this family shelter in a political storm, fed them, watered them, gave them free primary and college education, welfare, housing assistance and food stamps. They repaid us by bombing the marathon, robbing stores, killing a campus guard and cursing this land and it's people. (this is a matter of public record, not just the opinion of Faux News)

It certainly was an act of terrorism (look up the definition if you don't understand the word)

The younger son admitted to doing it.

Mom is a criminal.

Feel free to draw your own conclusions.

I am generally annoyed by anything on Faux News but the judge reflects the sentiment of millions of Americans. We opened our arms and gave this family shelter in a political storm, fed them, watered them, gave them free primary and college education, welfare, housing assistance and food stamps. They repaid us by bombing the marathon, robbing stores, killing a campus guard and cursing this land and it's people. (this is a matter of public record, not just the opinion of Faux News)

It certainly was an act of terrorism (look up the definition if you don't understand the word)

The younger son admitted to doing it.

Mom is a criminal.

Feel free to draw your own conclusions.

Another thing that is appalling to me is on Houston local news Muslims were saying please don't let this be Muslims. They weren't saying that because of any regret. When asked they were concerned for their OWN safety because of public reaction. All you cancerous libs. need to get your head OUT OF YOUR @SS!

Jeff why is it always an "us vs them" mentality?

Don't hate the game, hate the players.

It's not really a dem vs rep issue, it's an issue about how bad politics are in general.

The way you folks go on, you'd think the other side isn't even human and you know that's not true.

It's just like the fact that you can't condemn every muslim for what 1 person does. It's just unrealistic but hey, we all need someone to demonize, right?

No I'm not questioning their guilt. I'm questioning the source and level of that guilt. Innocent people don't get into shootouts and carjack people, if you honestly think that's what I'm suggesting, then you are clearly not reading what I've written, and shouldn't be talking out of your arses.

I listed several questions that are yet unanswered. They weren't my questions, but all the same, I'd like to see those questions answered before I bring out the hangman's noose.

Yes, this was an act of terrorism. Much as was timmy mcveighs. Was Joseph Stack a terrorist? By our vast definition: Yes.
(if you don't know who JS is here you go: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6219986.html)

So... What I'm questioning is whether this is some mother who raised her kids to hate: family-terrorism. Is this some kid who convinced his younger bro to be cool and all angsty? Wanna-be terrorism. Or did they really have ties to organized terror? To me, the differences are HUGE.

NOT because it brings less levity to the dire outcome of the act itself- a lot of people died and got hurt because of these two guys, there's no escaping that.

But.. US IMPERIAL RESPONSE depends wholly on the perceptions. We didn't bomb Libya when timmy mcveigh blew up the federal building, because we investigated first, then reacted based on all the facts that were routed out from that disaster.

We as a country, are reacting increasingly on our initial knee-jerk reactions to the incidents rather than facts. Iraq is and was a complete intelligence failure on every level.

Yet, here we stand, without clear answers, ready to strike someone, anyone, to teach them all a lesson, even if they had nothing to do with it.

Before I commit another $3 Trillion tax dollars and ever more austerity, I think it's more than prudent to ask them to gather the facts first this time.

So that's why I'm taking this stance. I'm not sympathizing, or making excuses for anyone, but so far, this country has done a piss-poor investigation, and our media should be fined and perhaps some even jailed for inciting terror themselves. Their mis-reporting of this event has been nothing short of criminal.

Cap'n and Keith, It is not so much an us vs. then to me. It is an ideology. Dems and libs are for higher taxes, big government, more government regulation, more entitlements and demonizing conservatives for the purpose of placing blame for their own failed policies. In an attempt to control the house, senate and congress. Of course republicans want the same thing. I NEVER have thought the other side is not even human. I have compassion for ALL MANKIND! I just prefer to be realistic that if someone is trying to kill me or my family DAMN IT I WILL kill them FIRST! It is my God given right to defend myself and my family.
I agree a new form of government representation is needed the Republican party is NOT PERFECT having said that I believe it is the better of the two choices that have any chance of winning an election.

I have MUCH respect for both you guys! Ya'll are both very intelligent people IMO. This is the last I will comment on this thread as I have nothing else to say in the matter.

The way you folks go on, you'd think the other side isn't even human and you know that's not true.

The other side isn't human. We battle against principalities and powers, not the men that they control.

Relax, it's all in the idea that the political model that we've created is flawed.

Done and over with. Will it ever be fixed? I doubt it.

It's just a damn shame that we have to waste so many resources trying to fix something inherently broken from the get go. Only thing worse is that we have to waste time talking about it.

Write a song about it, Bob Dylan used to do it all the time but those days are over now, right? What a pity!!!

Yes Kramer getting all the facts is important before we make judgements and this case is long and twisted. When an immigrant pre-med student from U-Mass Dartmouth with a bright future, sacrifices himself by committing a random act of terrorism, we have a big problem. We need to truly understand why.

I think we can all agree that now is the time for fact finding. No one is suggesting otherwise. You are the only one introducing the idea of retaliation against Iran, Pakistan etc. Not Jeff, not me, not Paper, not Slacker, certainly not the judge.

I guess we did all misunderstand your words when you wrote this:

"Right now, I just don't want to call it terrorism, because it's likely that these idiots acted alone. I don't see it as prudent to start blaming Pakistan or Iran, or whoever, just yet."

Care to clarify what you really meant? Allow me to help you out:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/terrorism

One man acting alone can certainly commit an act of terrorism for political or ideological reasons. The questions are:
1. Did these brothers act alone? If not, who else?
2. How many others are out there in our society with the same political and ideological mindsets who might also commit a similar act of terrorism on innocent Americans?
3. How do we identify them and stop them before they act?

Tim Mc Veigh is a good analogy. An American born citizen with an anti-government axe to grind. I don't think there are 10,000 Mc Veigh terrorists out there. There might be 10,000 ethnic immigrant terrorists out there though. We need some answers.

Jihad does not require acting in concert with other groups or backing from other countries. It can simply be an ideological statement by one man as an act of terror against a group of innocents (AKA infidels). The purpose of jihad is to eliminate our freedom over time.

Many believe Egypt flight 990 was also an act of jihad with the relief first officer having striking similarity to these two brothers.

Dems and libs are for higher taxes

No, I think the 27% I pay is plenty. I just want everyone else, especially corporations and the super wealthy to pay the same. Not 10%, not 17%, but 27% like I do. It's insulting that 27% hits me so damn hard, I can barely put food on the table, yet these financial criminals cry (and get their way) about not being able to buy a 5th vacation mansion or have to pay taxes on that $150M hedge fund profit they made. It's damn sickening.

, big government, more government regulation,

Government is a necessity, it's "the people". The problems we have aren't the institution, but the infestation within it. We need the government to build bridges, have schools, libraries, universities, police, fire, national guard, air traffic controllers, and ultimately, they are the ones who secure our borders, and our civil rights. If you think you don't need government, go to a desert island and try building a bridge by yourself. Try paving roads, putting out fires, and tending disasters without any help. You can only tend to yourself. Business and economy are social aspects that require society, government, and cooperative efforts.

Those efforts require regulation. With proper regulations, we wouldn't have polluted rivers and lakes, we wouldn't have the 1929 crash, nor would the tech bubble, housing bubble. Black monday happened because of deregulation in the 80's. The BP disaster was a direct result of companies ignoring regulations and enforcers ignoring their duties. Much like wall st. and the SEC. Regulations are in place because individuals and corporations have proven time and time again that without regulation and enforcement, people and companies will commit unthinkable atrocities to people, society, environment, and generally put many at risk all for the sake of making more money either now or in the future. It's a proven fact and general human psychology. Let you kids run wild with no rules, and you expect them not to get into trouble?

more entitlements and demonizing conservatives for the purpose of placing blame for their own failed policies. In an attempt to control the house, senate and congress.

Oh come on.. that's propaganda talking.

I just prefer to be realistic that if someone is trying to kill me or my family DAMN IT I WILL kill them FIRST! It is my God given right to defend myself and my family.

By those standards, we should all kill everyone around us. Threats are everywhere. The guy driving behind you COULD possibly rear end you and kill you. Better take him out first. You are far more likely to be killed by a gun, by an american, right in your own neighborhood, than by a terrorist. You are more likely to die in a plane crash than be killed by a terrorist, even if you aren't on the plane!!

You are far more likely to drown in a pool the next time you go swimming, than be killed by a terrorist. And you are far more likely to die in a forrest fire IN TEXAS, than killed by a terrorist.

You lack perspective. The threat is there, and real, but the solution isn't blind and emotional fear. That's what I see when I see these hysterical responses. fear. hysterics. fear.

Dems and libs are for higher taxes

No, I think the 27% I pay is plenty. I just want everyone else, especially corporations and the super wealthy to pay the same. Not 10%, not 17%, but 27% like I do. It's insulting that 27% hits me so damn hard, I can barely put food on the table, yet these financial criminals cry (and get their way) about not being able to buy a 5th vacation mansion or have to pay taxes on that $150M hedge fund profit they made. It's damn sickening.

, big government, more government regulation,

Government is a necessity, it's "the people". The problems we have aren't the institution, but the infestation within it. We need the government to build bridges, have schools, libraries, universities, police, fire, national guard, air traffic controllers, and ultimately, they are the ones who secure our borders, and our civil rights. If you think you don't need government, go to a desert island and try building a bridge by yourself. Try paving roads, putting out fires, and tending disasters without any help. You can only tend to yourself. Business and economy are social aspects that require society, government, and cooperative efforts.

Those efforts require regulation. With proper regulations, we wouldn't have polluted rivers and lakes, we wouldn't have the 1929 crash, nor would the tech bubble, housing bubble. Black monday happened because of deregulation in the 80's. The BP disaster was a direct result of companies ignoring regulations and enforcers ignoring their duties. Much like wall st. and the SEC. Regulations are in place because individuals and corporations have proven time and time again that without regulation and enforcement, people and companies will commit unthinkable atrocities to people, society, environment, and generally put many at risk all for the sake of making more money either now or in the future. It's a proven fact and general human psychology. Let you kids run wild with no rules, and you expect them not to get into trouble?

more entitlements and demonizing conservatives for the purpose of placing blame for their own failed policies. In an attempt to control the house, senate and congress.

Oh come on.. that's propaganda talking.

I just prefer to be realistic that if someone is trying to kill me or my family DAMN IT I WILL kill them FIRST! It is my God given right to defend myself and my family.

By those standards, we should all kill everyone around us. Threats are everywhere. The guy driving behind you COULD possibly rear end you and kill you. Better take him out first. You are far more likely to be killed by a gun, by an american, right in your own neighborhood, than by a terrorist. You are more likely to die in a plane crash than be killed by a terrorist, even if you aren't on the plane!!

You are far more likely to drown in a pool the next time you go swimming, than be killed by a terrorist. And you are far more likely to die in a forrest fire IN TEXAS, than killed by a terrorist.

You lack perspective. The threat is there, and real, but the solution isn't blind and emotional fear. That's what I see when I see these hysterical responses. fear. hysterics. fear.

Johny-

Even I can get caught up in the midst of typing and fail to be clear in my use of terms. I don't want to call it "organized terrorism", thus implying it's linked to terrorist groups, islam, or anything else. We just don't know, and until we do, we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions. Nobody here has suggested attacking Iran or Pakistan, you are right, but many here have already dragged muslims back into the spotlight-

-And let's be honest about it. When people think of muslims and terrorism, the whole middle east IS drug into the problem as well, and already we have strong suggestions that we need to apply blame to them. It's a blanket level blaming, and leads way too much into turning this into yet another global issue where we need to further limit domestic civil rights, and announce another war on another abstract entity.

I'm personally sick of this treating the symptom crap. We attack them because they attacked us. They attacked us because we attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us, who attacked them, who attacked us......

It's the hatfields vs. the mc'coys. Generations later, both sides see themselves as justified, when in 2-3 generations we could have this whole problem solved and nearly forgotten. Just look at our relationships with Germany and Japan.. who would have thought that 3 generations ago we would have viewed either of them with the same hatred and venom?