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whoa.. jeff, why buy into her level of hatred? That newslady is putting some serious misinformation into this already ugly situation.

People wonder why I "attack" FNC, and this is pretty much a perfect example- She mentions Jihad a couple of times.. where the hell does that "fact" come from? These aren't arabs, or even muslims! More here:

http://gothamist.com/2013/04/29/mysteri ... brainw.php

The mother is clearly tormented by love for her sons vs. what they did, and is reacting with anger, sorrow, and many other emotions I would expect a mother to carry. What her kids did was so devastating that it makes sense that one moment she blames them, the next she blames america for corrupting them (being away from their native country), and this FNC "judge" proceeds to use very small clips, and then add all kinds of crazy conjecture and speculation (as fact) to her words.

It's journalism at it's worst. Even for an editorial (OPINION), it's extremely misleading and dishonest.

She has zero integrity, and reeks of the same ilk as bill O and hannity. Garbage in, garbage out.

whoa.. jeff, why buy into her level of hatred? That newslady is putting some serious misinformation into this already ugly situation.

People wonder why I "attack" FNC, and this is pretty much a perfect example- She mentions Jihad a couple of times.. where the hell does that "fact" come from? These aren't arabs, or even muslims! More here:

http://gothamist.com/2013/04/29/mysteri ... brainw.php

The mother is clearly tormented by love for her sons vs. what they did, and is reacting with anger, sorrow, and many other emotions I would expect a mother to carry. What her kids did was so devastating that it makes sense that one moment she blames them, the next she blames america for corrupting them (being away from their native country), and this FNC "judge" proceeds to use very small clips, and then add all kinds of crazy conjecture and speculation (as fact) to her words.

It's journalism at it's worst. Even for an editorial (OPINION), it's extremely misleading and dishonest.

She has zero integrity, and reeks of the same ilk as bill O and hannity. Garbage in, garbage out.

Kramer, thIS JUDGE is angry and so is a large portion of the american population. You can spin it however you want Kramer the MAJORITY of what this Judge says is the truth. How you can take the side of a person who's own country has intercepted recordings of her talking Jihad with her sons is unamerican IMO! I am not mad at you but you and your ilk are the CANCER destroying this nation and that is MY OPINION!

we're discussing jihad right now

So if U or I are ever labeled a terrorist, the substance of this conversation means little, as people like her, and you, will label us both terrorists. Do you honestly think the authorities OR the media will divulge that this conversation was not about WAGING jihad? HAH!

I'm NOT siding with the kid or his mom.

That fox news is whipping up hysteria of terrorism is in fact terrorism itself. I'm more concerned that there's more unanswered questions than there are answered, yet the media is just filling in the blanks with whatever the hell they want, and guess what? It's all sensationalist, and pushing an agenda WE DONT NEED OR WANT.

So far, there have been more inaccuracies reported nationwide about the bombings than accurate facts. By a wide margin. Are any news outlets printing retractions? I haven't seen a singe one.

You did make me realize something- I wrote that it wasn't about jihad (because it had yet to be proven), out of anger at the constant media reports (before the known phone call), and I shouldn't have made that assumption. Right now, I just don't want to call it terrorism, because it's likely that these idiots acted alone. I dont see it as prudent to start blaming pakistan or iran, or whoever, just yet. We're still fixing the mistaken invasions from the last terrorist attacks.

we're discussing jihad right now

So if U or I are ever labeled a terrorist, the substance of this conversation means little, as people like her, and you, will label us both terrorists. Do you honestly think the authorities OR the media will divulge that this conversation was not about WAGING jihad? HAH!

I'm NOT siding with the kid or his mom.

That fox news is whipping up hysteria of terrorism is in fact terrorism itself. I'm more concerned that there's more unanswered questions than there are answered, yet the media is just filling in the blanks with whatever the hell they want, and guess what? It's all sensationalist, and pushing an agenda WE DONT NEED OR WANT.

So far, there have been more inaccuracies reported nationwide about the bombings than accurate facts. By a wide margin. Are any news outlets printing retractions? I haven't seen a singe one.

You did make me realize something- I wrote that it wasn't about jihad (because it had yet to be proven), out of anger at the constant media reports (before the known phone call), and I shouldn't have made that assumption. Right now, I just don't want to call it terrorism, because it's likely that these idiots acted alone. I dont see it as prudent to start blaming pakistan or iran, or whoever, just yet. We're still fixing the mistaken invasions from the last terrorist attacks.

Kramer, I don't understand how you can in any way say this is not terrorism? It is as plain as could EVER be possible. These young men manufactured bombs and killed folks. by the standards you are using Timothy McVeigh wasn't a terrorist. They are all terrorist acts. These were done by jihadist muslims that is a FACT! Now the question is did they act alone? Or were they part of another terrorist organization. I believe the latter is what YOU are questioning. I am not. You heard that mother inher own words in regards to her sons deaths Alluh Akbar. She also said she would die and her remaining son could die to futher this agenda. How can you hear that and say anything different? This is why I call "you people" A cancer! I am sorry but that is the way I see it! I am in agreement with this judge, if you attack the U.S. you have no rights! The sad thing is that the older brother was alive until the young one ran over him! Yet "You People" allow them to say we killed him.

These people only understand ONE THING and that is if they attack us on our soil we WILL come for them, seek them out and destroy them! If you deny the ability to EXTRACT intell. or allow them to get a foothold in our society (already have) then you WILL see more of this!

we're discussing jihad right now

So if U or I are ever labeled a terrorist, the substance of this conversation means little, as people like her, and you, will label us both terrorists. Do you honestly think the authorities OR the media will divulge that this conversation was not about WAGING jihad? HAH!

I'm NOT siding with the kid or his mom.

That fox news is whipping up hysteria of terrorism is in fact terrorism itself. I'm more concerned that there's more unanswered questions than there are answered, yet the media is just filling in the blanks with whatever the hell they want, and guess what? It's all sensationalist, and pushing an agenda WE DONT NEED OR WANT.

So far, there have been more inaccuracies reported nationwide about the bombings than accurate facts. By a wide margin. Are any news outlets printing retractions? I haven't seen a singe one.

You did make me realize something- I wrote that it wasn't about jihad (because it had yet to be proven), out of anger at the constant media reports (before the known phone call), and I shouldn't have made that assumption. Right now, I just don't want to call it terrorism, because it's likely that these idiots acted alone. I dont see it as prudent to start blaming pakistan or iran, or whoever, just yet. We're still fixing the mistaken invasions from the last terrorist attacks.

DO you subscribe to cable TV? If you do, you may as well drop the account, cause where YOU get YOUR information, comes from the same source where THEY get THEIR information. Seriously, paying a monthly fee just to satisfy a sense of News Brand flaws...just seems radacolis...

When in doubt, blame Texas.
They are prejudiced against Ewe People.

I get my news from a variety of sources, mostly not american. American news is laughed at by the whole world, friends and foes. I try to read between the lines, and separate the facts from the conjecture, opinions, and outright lies. No news source is perfect, or even close. Pay close enough attention and the patterns emerge and you can absolutely gain a better vantage than just blindly trusting any one news source.

So suggest otherwise is simply the defining hallmarks of ignorance and stubbornness.

Here's my issues with the boston story-

1. The bombing. We know the Tsarnaev brothers were singled out as the top suspects. Yet some bloggers reported that there were nearly identically dressed people who also left black backpacks at the race’s finish line. We don’t know their motives, or if anyone else was involved or knew about their plans. The brothers were apparently poor, so there are lingering questions about how they bought the explosives they used and their getaway car.

2. The MIT killing. It’s not clear why the brothers killed the MIT police officer, though speculation is that they wanted his gun. Reports that they robbed a 7-11 were untrue. The evidence they killed the MIT officer comes from the young Chinese man whose Mercedes SUV they carjacked; he told police and the media that the brothers told him they did.

3. The carjacking. The carjacking victim emerged from seclusion and gave a detailed account to the Boston Globe, saying that he ran for his life at a gas station, not that he was let go because he was a foreigner, as earlier media reports suggested. He said the brothers told him that they were the bombers and that they had killed the MIT officer and might go to New York—prompting city officials to demand more federal anti-terror funding.

4. Bombs yes, guns not so much? The initial police reports said that the pair was heavily armed with guns, including an assault rifle. But that apparently was untrue as photos of the Thursday night confrontation were posted online, showing only one brother was armed with a gun, it's not clear what kind of firearm.

5. Tamerlan’s death. How the older brother died is another open question. Watertown police said that he ran toward a line of officers (leaving his brother behind in the SUV), while firing a handgun, but he ran out of bullets just yards in front of them. They say he was tackled to be taken alive, but that his brother ran over the body while driving the SUV through the police lines. A gruesome photo of Tamerlan’s dead body shows bullet wounds and gashes. Later reports say that most of the 200 rounds fired in this confrontation were from the police.

6. False information on attempted suicide? Dzhokhar ended up hiding in a boat in a backyard not far from the shoot out. He did not shoot himself in the neck to try to kill himself or fire on police from the boat, as was initially reported by police; he had no firearms in the boat, according to more recent accounts by federal officials. What prompted authorities to open fire o n Dzokhar is still unclear.

7. The family and the FBI. Tamerlan was known to the FBI. He had been interviewed by agents after Russia singled him out as dangerous. He was listed on an FBI terrorist watch database. His mother, who is a citizen but moved back to Dagestan, was also in that FBI database. Since his death and her other son’s arrest, she has given press conferences denying their involvement. Press reports said that both she and Tamerlan became devout Muslims. Other reports said Dzhokhar told police from his hospital bed that the family was angered by America’s wars in Islamic countries.

The FBI links raise all kinds of questions. Did this surveillance radicalize them further? Did agents even try to recruit Tamerlan? The question of who else knew about the bombing plot—and who might have supported or encouraged it—is still murky.

8. The triple pot murder. Media coverage of the bombers has swung between speculation that they had ties to overseas terrorists to the theory that they were lone wolf actors. The revelation that the younger brother was a pothead, and that the Sept. 11, 2011 triple murder of his friend—a pot dealer—and two others might be related to the bombings is another Pandora’s box. Some writers suggest that Tamerlan could have done it, as the crime occurred during a particularly devout period of his return to religiousity, and it anticipates the callousness of the marathon bombing.

9. The evidence trail. There’s still much to be learned about the bombers, including what their lives online will yield. The brothers had computers, e-mails, YouTube pages and other accounts that are being scrutinized. All of this suggests that the larger truths behind the bombing and its violent aftermath have yet to emerge.

Geeze Kramer, I'm not even gonna break that down (shakes head in disgust)! 95% of what you are questioning is obvious. The fact that you are even questioning these guys guilt boggles the mind. IMO you are grasping for exuse's for people that would kill you and your family if they could. That's NOT very smart brother.

...can we all not just sit down and" injest" some beer and watch some more Fox News "special Programs" and lay our "christiun sensaybillyt's" aside for a moment and chant with "our others" in a good old fashioned "Love Session" ala 1984 ...USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA ? or not ?

Pretty lively thread Haley and you are correct ... EVERYONE SHOULD BE CAREFUL WHAT THEY SAY NOW ....perhaps even the pseudo judge/newscasters ? Kramer is also correct ....all this kind of cheerleader journalism accomplishes is to create HATRED and CONFLICT. The Bible even tells us so.

There is nothing here for anyone to see or think about ... move along now......bend over I want to see your "Papers" The "Lady" in the Harbour says so.
WOW

Mr. Haley

I'd note in response to your comment "we'd bring it to them," that we are already 'bringing it to them." In ten countries we have soldiers and drones that actively are killing folks.

Every time they fire that double tap of hellfire missiles they make us less safe - make us more broke. Meanwhile, the govt whose orders are killing all those people to protect us, have opened our borders. Genghis Khan could bring the whole Mongol Horde across the border and we night not even notice it.

Why should be believe the crap the govt is peddling as actively supports Al Qaeda in Yugo, Libya, Egypt and Syria? The same govt liberalized our legal immigration policies to the extent the Chechnya's, of all people, should be allowed to immigrate here and immediately go on welfare. I'm all for tracking them down and killing them - but is our government's fault they were here at all!

I imagine some of those folks in those ten countries needed killing but truly believe if we followed old George Washington's advice - we'd do like good southern boys and mind our own business. (and kill anyone who hassled us - but there wouldn't be many - everyone used to like us...)

Talbot

I think you folks are miss reading me again. I am not mad or upset in ANY WAY. Just trying to articulate my opinions in this matter. Again folks want to paint me a xenophobe. If you are a terrorist I don't care if you are white like Timothy McVeigh or brown like bin laden! My opinion is that liberals tend to be naive in their thinking in this matter. The fact that Muslims have at the very core of their religion a hatred for the Infidels as has been pointed out in other threads coupled with the fact that they don't speak out in mass as folks in their religion do these heinous acts. 2+2=4 what is so hard to understand about that?

I think you folks are miss reading me again. I am not mad or upset in ANY WAY. Just trying to articulate my opinions in this matter. Again folks want to paint me a xenophobe. If you are a terrorist I don't care if you are white like Timothy McVeigh or brown like bin laden! My opinion is that liberals tend to be naive in their thinking in this matter. The fact that Muslims have at the very core of their religion a hatred for the Infidels as has been pointed out in other threads coupled with the fact that they don't speak out in mass as folks in their religion do these heinous acts. 2+2=4 what is so hard to understand about that?

I believe the facts show that they are not simply naive about terrorism. The facts show that they support terrorism. They fund the Muslim brotherhood with arms and money, they sneak terrorists out of the country before they can be tried, and they appoint "former" terrorists (Using the word "former" doesn't mean that I personally believe they have changed their ways) to hold government positions of power. They reveal Israels plans to defend themselves to terrorists, they make deals with terrorists behind closed doors at the white house and who knows what else that has not yet come to light.

Playing naive is a ploy to keep your eyes off what they are really doing.

As the possom plays dead, the tyrant plays naieve.

Good god man, you can't even spell Naive with the spell checker>?

(My nose is bleeding like a fire hose just from reading that.)



You know that joke right?
What's "Evian" spelled backwards? Naive. lol

.... paying attention to minor details in order to takeaway from the main point or thrust.... good Post I thought Slacker.... one does not have to know the precise spelling or pronunciation to know what the word really means. Of course one could always axe a bro ... no whaddi meen ?