General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

By the way, thank you for pointing out just how vulnerable Australia is.

In my younger years, with an adventurous heart and the desire to conquer.

200 heavily armed men could safely capture and force the whole island into subservience before they realized what happened to them.

IT IS AN ISLAND ... Even though it is called a continent. Cut them off so quick, control the ports, disable the government, start to starve the people, and literally put fear into their daily lives... But that's the way it always is when you rely on government protection... or worse tyrannical government.

Glad they gave up all their guns. Ain't gonna happen here. PERIOD!

So you are implying that the odds of Australia being invaded and occupied by a foreign nation are higher than 1 in 300? Has anyone told them?!?

Look at the math. In america, there's almost a million deaths by guns vs. 300 million ppl. So that's 1 in 300. You prefer that risk to the risk of being invaded and occupied? I honestly can't agree that the possibility is remotely near 1 in 300. Probably more like 1 in 10000.

Your math is severely flawed.

...Glenn .. I am pleased that you liked the photo and appreciate your advice which I promise you I take at every opportunity. As Musicians I am certain that we all no doubt "appreciate" the true "value" of "practice".

RGMP ... That was great ...your acid wit is only matched at times with your sense of humour. I thank you.

Kramer ... Well Stated. You will find no argument from me regarding what you have said. Virtually all of the "mass media" were "taken over" long ago and although at first glance it may appear to many as having many heads ... all the heads are in fact connected to one body and that body is told exactly hat to do and where and how. Fox News ... Wolf Blitzer ... and many others are fine examples of what you have stated. The psychology of all this was determined and well documented well before the "Second World War".

Regarding money and happiness however ... well I do not agree with you entirely upon this although I understand why you make such a point. In principle I believe that there is a better way but realistically and in reference to "Man the Animal" then I can not fault your statement. We all have different priorities on this physical plane no doubt.

Haha Vamp- thats just my sig-

My point in the sig is two sided- first side is that it means exactly what it says, very straight forward and to the point.

The second point is a play on the simple fact that we live in a capitalist society. Greed is good, all hail the mighty dollar, so how would anyone in such a society actually believe money (success) isn't associated with happiness (success)?? They are invariably linked.

Of course there are better ways- but I don't live in that world, I live in a capitalist one. So I guess the third side to the sig is that we live in a world we have no choice about, so of course money buys happiness.

The only people who seem to parrot the concept that money don't buy happiness are rich people (and by default wouldn't know what it's like to be poor), and those less rich people who are gullible enough to believe them.

...All of our points I believe are generally well taken and of course we all disagree on many of them. But ... we all also agree on just as many if not more. I sense this "agreement" seems in many aspects to be "growing" with many of us. Often it is a simple matter of just really understanding each individual's perspective and finding "general" and "common" ground.

Of course we must all "realize" that we are mere insignificant worms compared to the "Preying Mantis known as religion ... the worm eating maggots known as politicians and all the other offspring eating worms that crawl amongst us.

Australia I found to be somewhat "over rated". I lived in Brisbane, Queensland, for around 1 and a half years and did not like it nearly as much as I had thought I would. It did make for an interesting comparison between ... which is "better" ?

A pristine and beautiful land taken over by religious refugees and greed motivated "explorers" and "pioneers" who virtually stole it and it's resources or ....

... a pristine and beautiful land taken over by imported convicts and prostitutes ? In both instances the land, water and air have been polluted beyond any man-made redemption now, the indigenous peoples robbed and raped, eradicated. imprisoned, genetically/culturally ruined and in both instances now these new "god-given countries" threaten the entire world's future ... not because of their prospective "advancements" but due to evil and contagion.

More to come ....

....when quoting statistics one negates their significance often by being selective and omitting the others found within the same category. For instance "Death in the US". Of course it is almost an impossible task to do this so this "impossibility" must always be "balanced" against the converse "impossibility" of justification based upon only selected stats which do not reflect the entire spectrum of the subject. Regarding what I have just stated I can only say that this is 100% my view and that no doubt well over 50% of others will disagree. I also believe that materialism and mathematics will always take a back seat to that which is Spiritual and much more "real" and "significant" and "permanent" to myself and virtually all of Mankind.

Kramer ... I thank you for your explanation ... as humourous and tragic as it may be. Your honesty is noted, appreciated and speaks for itself. Everyone chooses their way, even by "not choosing". Everyone chooses the world in which they live in much the same manner. This is a "pure" and "individual" choice.

I am not nor have I ever been "rich" by materialistic definitions ... but I have led a very rich life and consider myself more enriched than most, especially those who suffer the golden chains and financial whip or the projected mental and psychlogical prisons and work camps. I also consider myself fortunate not "lucky". What you state is "Truth" on one level and in one aspect but not in others which are also part of the whole so to speak. Much like the selective quoting of stats. I am not challenging what you state really, merely relating how I "understand" it which has just as much significance as your own assessment.

You are an asset here and I support your continued Posts as they are most excellent thoght fodder. This is good regardless if any agree or disagree. This is one of your Freedoms, our Freedoms and unfortunately on the verge of extinction.

...excellent song by Rammstein.

Talbot sums it up very well ... GUN CONTROL IS PEOPLE CONTROL. Look at history if you truly do not "see" this. I have long believed that there is no "left" or "right" ... there is only Right or Wrong. Everyone should give some thought and take some action regarding the "government" catch phrase resulting from the Boston Marathon Exercise and Test ...."SHELTER IN PLACE". This replaces many older ones like "DUCK AND COVER" and is perhaps even more tragic and ridiculous. If you are "comfortable" with LIES then there is absolutely no reason to panic.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS.

I hate what guns do. They maim and kill people when in the wrong hands.

I love what guns do when they are in the hands of those who feel the same way and only rely on them to defend themselves against people who wish to harm them.

I would rather not have guns in my house. But I don't want someone who has them breaking into my house to do bodily harm to me or my family and having no way to defend myself.

Therefore I have guns and ammo to greet unwanted intruders. I have a carry permit, yet I do not carry. I believe that some day I may need to, but not today.

I believe the government will take the guns from law abiding citizens in the long run. They will keep trying until they do.

When that happens, we will be at the mercy of murderous thugs, thieves, and all manner of ungodly evil men who wish us harm.
And perhaps even some of those outside of the government may also use guns for evil.

By the way, thank you for pointing out just how vulnerable Australia is.

In my younger years, with an adventurous heart and the desire to conquer.

200 heavily armed men could safely capture and force the whole island into subservience before they realized what happened to them.

IT IS AN ISLAND ... Even though it is called a continent. Cut them off so quick, control the ports, disable the government, start to starve the people, and literally put fear into their daily lives... But that's the way it always is when you rely on government protection... or worse tyrannical government.

Glad they gave up all their guns. Ain't gonna happen here. PERIOD!

So you are implying that the odds of Australia being invaded and occupied by a foreign nation are higher than 1 in 300? Has anyone told them?!?

Look at the math. In america, there's almost a million deaths by guns vs. 300 million ppl. So that's 1 in 300. You prefer that risk to the risk of being invaded and occupied? I honestly can't agree that the possibility is remotely near 1 in 300. Probably more like 1 in 10000.

Your math is severely flawed.

Kramer where did you come up with those numbers?

Did you realize there are 320 million people on the government dole 100 million die every year from smoking, 150 million die every year from auto accidents , and 70 million a year die from heart attacks when they find out just how much they payed out in income taxes.

That leaves exactly about 14 people. I figure that without any governmental interference they will be able to wipe out the 17 trillion national debt in a couple of weeks.

I hate what guns do. They maim and kill people when in the wrong hands.

I love what guns do when they are in the hands of those who feel the same way and only rely on them to defend themselves against people who wish to harm them.

I would rather not have guns in my house. But I don't want someone who has them breaking into my house to do bodily harm to me or my family and having no way to defend myself.

Therefore I have guns and ammo to greet unwanted intruders. I have a carry permit, yet I do not carry. I believe that some day I may need to, but not today.

I believe the government will take the guns from law abiding citizens in the long run. They will keep trying until they do.

When that happens, we will be at the mercy of murderous thugs, thieves, and all manner of ungodly evil men who wish us harm.
And perhaps even some of those outside of the government may also use guns for evil.

No they won't Slacker. THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE TRUE AUTHORITY.

IN AMERICA... IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT WILL AND ALWAYS WILL HOLD THE TRUE AUTHORITY!

I can't believe you wrote that. The only reason why police are allowed to patrol while carrying loaded weapons, is because we the people PERMIT IT.

Guns are not for simple personal protection. Guns are for the protection of the whole society against a possible government that has become more important than the people it is SWORN TO SERVE.

No they won't Slacker. THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE TRUE AUTHORITY

I guess we will have to wait to see who is right about that.

But neither are the people the true authority. God is the only authority and He has put evil men in authority over us to serve His purpose.

EDIT

By the way Glenny, what disappoints you? That I do not like the thought of killing another person? Or don't you approve of my personal freedom of speech and personal choice?

Here is the truth. It saddens God even when evil men are killed. Christ paid the ransom for all.

...Glenn and Slacker ... I thank you for your Posts. You have both referenced one of the "Big Questions" which will be answered shortly. WHO HAS THE TRUE AUTHORITY ? TALBOT HAS ALREADY ANSWERED THIS I FEEL ... "WHOEVER HAS THE GUNS".

More Questions ... Why has the Government recently made HUGE AMMO PURCHASES ?

Why is a goodly share of these HOLLOW POINT BULLETS?

What are "Hollow Points" used for ?

Who are these bullets for ?

Who are the real targets ?


DOES GOLD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ALL THIS ?

Is there an "effort" by the government to stop citizens and people from purchasing ammunition and guns ?

Does the government intend to confiscate the ammo and guns of citizens ?

Who now owns the few arms factories that make the bullets ?

Is there a "hidden agenda" from the government ?

Have they ever had "hidden agends" before ?

Who has the True Authority to determine these purchases ?

Have the "Citizens" ... "People" authorized the government to make these purchases and effect these restrictions ?

There seems to be a bit of a "conflict" as to who really has the "True Authority" ?

The People ? God? Government? Evil ?

Perhaps this "conflict" will grow bigger ?

..."I thought this was a musicians community site ..."

Sans

.....It is. Being whatever any of us may be ... we are all musicians. This means generally that we are sensitive, creative, humanistic creatures. WAR is dehumanizing ... Destructive not Creative ...Evil not Good.

MUSIC IS NOT

It is not uncommon for a diverse group or tribe to be drawn together in defense of one another in times of real and present danger ... to warn ...to inform ... to protect and to show concern and care for one another ...despite differing experiences, beliefs, politics, capabilities, religions, educations and personalities. That is what happens here.

Debates are lively ... so are each of us. We are diverse so consequently it is the same with our interchanges. I believe that what is important here and perhaps misunderstood at times is intention. The intentions here are all basically good with a dash of ego at times and as a "family" tempers sometimes flare, words are exchanged, insults hurled, feelings hurt, points made, regrets, agreements, arguments, apologies, appreciations, compliments, respect, admiration, eyes opened, self realizations, and recognition of dangers. Relationships form without ever meeting. It has great diversity and energy and spans the globe with many, many topics and a great deal of information. It does much more good than harm. It is not censored, monitored nor"orchestrated" as are others.

The dangers spoken of threaten all of us individually and collectively and even this site itself. Yes politics are involved, so is religion. There is great diversity even within these two. It is impossible to have feces without flies is it not ? The hypocrisy, misrepresentation and intention involved with this growing danger and Storm threaten our very existence, way of life, children, even future and species.

Those who get depressed, put ff, angry or even leave will almost always come back as there is nothing else out there that has the "most excellent qualities that this Site does. Or the unique membership it lists. Or the FREEDOM.

We chid, mock, molest, insult and at times can be very cruel but none of us would be here and be Posting if our intention were not good. Everyone must take comfort in this and appreciate it for one day it will become like John's Band.

I urge you all to consider these things and appreciate them and the other's here as well ... and to become "more" of whatever it is that you are.

Upset/ Depressed ? Concerned ? Be who you are ... what you are.


"Write a song about it ..."

Scotty

Good heavy band name there, "Dehumanizer".

Great post Vamp.

Just so every one knows... Stephan and I don't agree exactly on many things. But I have to respect the great thoughts that he presents. In the same manner he also shows respect to every one... Even people with the most opposing view points.

Thanks Vamp... That was a very good post!

I hate what guns do. They maim and kill people when in the wrong hands.

I love what guns do when they are in the hands of those who feel the same way and only rely on them to defend themselves against people who wish to harm them.

I would rather not have guns in my house. But I don't want someone who has them breaking into my house to do bodily harm to me or my family and having no way to defend myself.

Therefore I have guns and ammo to greet unwanted intruders. I have a carry permit, yet I do not carry. I believe that some day I may need to, but not today.

I believe the government will take the guns from law abiding citizens in the long run. They will keep trying until they do.

When that happens, we will be at the mercy of murderous thugs, thieves, and all manner of ungodly evil men who wish us harm.
And perhaps even some of those outside of the government may also use guns for evil.

No they won't Slacker. THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE TRUE AUTHORITY.

IN AMERICA... IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT WILL AND ALWAYS WILL HOLD THE TRUE AUTHORITY!

I can't believe you wrote that. The only reason why police are allowed to patrol while carrying loaded weapons, is because we the people PERMIT IT.

Guns are not for simple personal protection. Guns are for the protection of the whole society against a possible government that has become more important than the people it is SWORN TO SERVE.

Sorry Slacker. This is what I was talking about... I believe the government will take the guns from law abiding citizens in the long run. They will keep trying until they do.

When that happens, we will be at the mercy of murderous thugs, thieves, and all manner of ungodly evil men who wish us harm.
And perhaps even some of those outside of the government may also use guns for evil.[/quote]


Ain't gonna happen. I am not going to get into religious generalization and I am not going to argue about Gods great plan or the right or wrong about killing another human or when it is acceptable or not...

However what shocked me is the fact that you separated yourself from the very government... THAT YOU HAVE AUTHORIZED. Sorry I was just getting this feeling of giving up. Our government is not as important as the INDIVIDUALS it was created to support.