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#212584 by VinnyViolin
Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:45 pm
fisherman bob wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
fisherman bob wrote:Muslims HATE everybody, including Sikhs and Orthodox Christians.


Spoken like an ignorant extremist :roll:
No, I'm not the ignorant extremist. The ignorant extremists have perpetrated countless attacks worldwide, and they are Moslems. Name me one incident of a Christian who converts to Islam and has his head chopped off by another Christian. Name me one incident of hundreds of vacationers blown up by Christian terrorists at a resort. Name me one incident of an Olympic village taken over by Buddhist terrrorists who kill an Israeli Olympic team, planes commadeered by Watusis and crashed into skyscrapers, Hindu women forced to cover their bodies and treated like chattel, Eskimoes going on to buses and blowing themselves up along with a bunch of Jews, Coptic Christians going into the Golden Temple in Iraq and blowing it up aong with over 1000 worshippers, Navajo Indian going into a school into Bislan and blowing it up along with over 300 children, The Amish blowing up a jet over Lockerbie, Scotland, etc. Etc. Etc. How the f**k am an ignorant extremist you dumbass submoron? There's only ONE group performing SO MANY acts of unimaginable horror WORLDWIDE, and the sh*t is going to stop now. Mark my words, days of retribution are coming and they will be geting out of the USA and soon. These two pieces of scum in Boston were "good boys" "wouldn't hurt anybody" "scapegoated" etc. What bullshit. This country continues to let these people into our country, bends over backwards, even gives them a scholarship, and as a way of thanking us, as a way of showing their gratitude, they kill and maim well over 100 people, whose only crime was being out enjoying a great American tradition.


Anyone who is as ignorant about Christianity, as you are about Islam, looks at examples, such as highly publicized extremists like Anders Behring Breivik or Westboro Baptist Church, or the USA soldiers with Christian prayers etched into their rifles, that raped and killed their daughters and keep fingers from corpses for souvenirs ... they see that all Christians act and believe the same ... and form the same convictions about Christians as you have for Muslims.
Yes, you are extremely ignorant!

#212585 by VinnyViolin
Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:51 pm
fisherman bob wrote:Who said I was a Christian? I never said I was a Christian.

Not me, I said that you spoke the views of an ignorant extremist. :lol:
#212587 by PaperDog
Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:57 pm
VinnyViolin wrote:
fisherman bob wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
fisherman bob wrote:Muslims HATE everybody, including Sikhs and Orthodox Christians.


Spoken like an ignorant extremist :roll:
No, I'm not the ignorant extremist. The ignorant extremists have perpetrated countless attacks worldwide, and they are Moslems. Name me one incident of a Christian who converts to Islam and has his head chopped off by another Christian. Name me one incident of hundreds of vacationers blown up by Christian terrorists at a resort. Name me one incident of an Olympic village taken over by Buddhist terrrorists who kill an Israeli Olympic team, planes commadeered by Watusis and crashed into skyscrapers, Hindu women forced to cover their bodies and treated like chattel, Eskimoes going on to buses and blowing themselves up along with a bunch of Jews, Coptic Christians going into the Golden Temple in Iraq and blowing it up aong with over 1000 worshippers, Navajo Indian going into a school into Bislan and blowing it up along with over 300 children, The Amish blowing up a jet over Lockerbie, Scotland, etc. Etc. Etc. How the f**k am an ignorant extremist you dumbass submoron? There's only ONE group performing SO MANY acts of unimaginable horror WORLDWIDE, and the sh*t is going to stop now. Mark my words, days of retribution are coming and they will be geting out of the USA and soon. These two pieces of scum in Boston were "good boys" "wouldn't hurt anybody" "scapegoated" etc. What bullshit. This country continues to let these people into our country, bends over backwards, even gives them a scholarship, and as a way of thanking us, as a way of showing their gratitude, they kill and maim well over 100 people, whose only crime was being out enjoying a great American tradition.



So Vinny, Lets solve this disagreement the gentleman's way:

Heres how we shall Proceed: Let us prove or disprove the merits of ISLAM . Mind you , we will not drag in other religions into this conversation. I will list 5 Bad things that ISLAMISTS have done to the USA. To counter, you may list 5 GOOD things that Islamists have done for the USA. Following this test, we shall repeat it with a list of 5 BAD Things That ISLAMISTS have to the WOrld. YOu may counter with 5 GOOD things that ISLamsts have contributed to the world. FINALLY... I will List 5 BAD things that ISLAMISTS have done in the MIDDLE EAST REGION... YOU may counter with 5 GOOD things that they have DOne in tHE MIDDLE EAST REGION.

Now, just so were on the same page. BAD = Significant/General/destructive Acts of hatred toward other human beings. GOOD = Significant/general/Uplifting acts of goodwill towards other human beings


A list of Five BAD things that ISLAMIST S have DONE To the USA (all in the name of ISLAM and ALLAH: (I could list about 40, but 5 will suffice...and I wont even include 911 or the FT Hood shootings)


1) 4/14/1972 USA New York, NY
Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one

2) 11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO
A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.

3) 1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ
A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.


4) 1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX
A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.

5) 6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR
A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.



]Your Turn, Vinny (Please Keep it to 5).
#212588 by VinnyViolin
Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:45 pm
PaperDog wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
fisherman bob wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
fisherman bob wrote:Muslims HATE everybody, including Sikhs and Orthodox Christians.


Spoken like an ignorant extremist :roll:
No, I'm not the ignorant extremist. The ignorant extremists have perpetrated countless attacks worldwide, and they are Moslems. Name me one incident of a Christian who converts to Islam and has his head chopped off by another Christian. Name me one incident of hundreds of vacationers blown up by Christian terrorists at a resort. Name me one incident of an Olympic village taken over by Buddhist terrrorists who kill an Israeli Olympic team, planes commadeered by Watusis and crashed into skyscrapers, Hindu women forced to cover their bodies and treated like chattel, Eskimoes going on to buses and blowing themselves up along with a bunch of Jews, Coptic Christians going into the Golden Temple in Iraq and blowing it up aong with over 1000 worshippers, Navajo Indian going into a school into Bislan and blowing it up along with over 300 children, The Amish blowing up a jet over Lockerbie, Scotland, etc. Etc. Etc. How the f**k am an ignorant extremist you dumbass submoron? There's only ONE group performing SO MANY acts of unimaginable horror WORLDWIDE, and the sh*t is going to stop now. Mark my words, days of retribution are coming and they will be geting out of the USA and soon. These two pieces of scum in Boston were "good boys" "wouldn't hurt anybody" "scapegoated" etc. What bullshit. This country continues to let these people into our country, bends over backwards, even gives them a scholarship, and as a way of thanking us, as a way of showing their gratitude, they kill and maim well over 100 people, whose only crime was being out enjoying a great American tradition.



So Vinny, Lets solve this disagreement the gentleman's way:

Heres how we shall Proceed: Let us prove or disprove the merits of ISLAM . Mind you , we will not drag in other religions into this conversation. I will list 5 Bad things that ISLAMISTS have done to the USA. To counter, you may list 5 GOOD things that Islamists have done for the USA. Following this test, we shall repeat it with a list of 5 BAD Things That ISLAMISTS have to the WOrld. YOu may counter with 5 GOOD things that ISLamsts have contributed to the world. FINALLY... I will List 5 BAD things that ISLAMISTS have done in the MIDDLE EAST REGION... YOU may counter with 5 GOOD things that they have DOne in tHE MIDDLE EAST REGION.

Now, just so were on the same page. BAD = Significant/General/destructive Acts of hatred toward other human beings. GOOD = Significant/general/Uplifting acts of goodwill towards other human beings


A list of Five BAD things that ISLAMIST S have DONE To the USA (all in the name of ISLAM and ALLAH: (I could list about 40, but 5 will suffice...and I wont even include 911 or the FT Hood shootings)


1) 4/14/1972 USA New York, NY
Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one

2) 11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO
A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.

3) 1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ
A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.


4) 1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX
A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.

5) 6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR
A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.



]Your Turn, Vinny (Please Keep it to 5).


Well ... you see, to play your game I would have to be so ignorant as to blame all sects of Islam for the misdeeds of individuals from extremist sects.

In the meantime just keep kissing the Wahhabi asses of the Saudi and Bahraini Royalty.

Hey let's talk about Texans instead!
They are as homogenous a group as any other I can think of ... Fort Worth, Texas – A Texas man is facing criminal charges after carving a pentagram into his six-year-old son’s back in recognition of 12-12-12.

The man, identified as 39-year-old Brent Bartel of Richland Hills, called 911 after using what is believed to be a box cutter to carve the five-pointed star into his son’s flesh.

Aww ... he was prolly just doin a lil drankin! :lol:

#212591 by VinnyViolin
Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:03 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/busin ... d=all&_r=0


"By CLIFFORD KRAUSS
Published: April 4, 2013
PORT ARTHUR, Tex. — It is hard to imagine the desert sands of the Persian Gulf being any farther away than from this swampy refinery port known for Cajun food, sport fishing and being the birthplace of Janis Joplin.

But right in the middle of town stands a strategic outpost for Saudi Arabia’s global ambitions, although one that the Saudis appear loath to publicize.

The giant Motiva oil refinery, which just completed a $10 billion expansion that makes it the largest processor of gasoline, diesel and other petroleum products in the United States, is owned by Saudi Aramco and Royal Dutch Shell in a 50-50 partnership."
Pucker up Ya'll!!!
:lol:
#212598 by PaperDog
Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:51 pm
VinnyViolin wrote:
PaperDog wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
fisherman bob wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
fisherman bob wrote:Muslims HATE everybody, including Sikhs and Orthodox Christians.


Spoken like an ignorant extremist :roll:
No, I'm not the ignorant extremist. The ignorant extremists have perpetrated countless attacks worldwide, and they are Moslems. Name me one incident of a Christian who converts to Islam and has his head chopped off by another Christian. Name me one incident of hundreds of vacationers blown up by Christian terrorists at a resort. Name me one incident of an Olympic village taken over by Buddhist terrrorists who kill an Israeli Olympic team, planes commadeered by Watusis and crashed into skyscrapers, Hindu women forced to cover their bodies and treated like chattel, Eskimoes going on to buses and blowing themselves up along with a bunch of Jews, Coptic Christians going into the Golden Temple in Iraq and blowing it up aong with over 1000 worshippers, Navajo Indian going into a school into Bislan and blowing it up along with over 300 children, The Amish blowing up a jet over Lockerbie, Scotland, etc. Etc. Etc. How the f**k am an ignorant extremist you dumbass submoron? There's only ONE group performing SO MANY acts of unimaginable horror WORLDWIDE, and the sh*t is going to stop now. Mark my words, days of retribution are coming and they will be geting out of the USA and soon. These two pieces of scum in Boston were "good boys" "wouldn't hurt anybody" "scapegoated" etc. What bullshit. This country continues to let these people into our country, bends over backwards, even gives them a scholarship, and as a way of thanking us, as a way of showing their gratitude, they kill and maim well over 100 people, whose only crime was being out enjoying a great American tradition.



So Vinny, Lets solve this disagreement the gentleman's way:

Heres how we shall Proceed: Let us prove or disprove the merits of ISLAM . Mind you , we will not drag in other religions into this conversation. I will list 5 Bad things that ISLAMISTS have done to the USA. To counter, you may list 5 GOOD things that Islamists have done for the USA. Following this test, we shall repeat it with a list of 5 BAD Things That ISLAMISTS have to the WOrld. YOu may counter with 5 GOOD things that ISLamsts have contributed to the world. FINALLY... I will List 5 BAD things that ISLAMISTS have done in the MIDDLE EAST REGION... YOU may counter with 5 GOOD things that they have DOne in tHE MIDDLE EAST REGION.

Now, just so were on the same page. BAD = Significant/General/destructive Acts of hatred toward other human beings. GOOD = Significant/general/Uplifting acts of goodwill towards other human beings


A list of Five BAD things that ISLAMIST S have DONE To the USA (all in the name of ISLAM and ALLAH: (I could list about 40, but 5 will suffice...and I wont even include 911 or the FT Hood shootings)


1) 4/14/1972 USA New York, NY
Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one

2) 11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO
A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.

3) 1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ
A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.


4) 1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX
A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.

5) 6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR
A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.



]Your Turn, Vinny (Please Keep it to 5).


Well ... you see, to play your game I would have to be so ignorant as to blame all sects of Islam for the misdeeds of individuals from extremist sects.

In the meantime just keep kissing the Wahhabi asses of the Saudi and Bahraini Royalty.

Hey let's talk about Texans instead!
They are as homogenous a group as any other I can think of ... Fort Worth, Texas – A Texas man is facing criminal charges after carving a pentagram into his six-year-old son’s back in recognition of 12-12-12.

The man, identified as 39-year-old Brent Bartel of Richland Hills, called 911 after using what is believed to be a box cutter to carve the five-pointed star into his son’s flesh.

Aww ... he was prolly just doin a lil drankin! :lol:


Not only could you not find "ONE" (1) UNO counter point (according to these simple rules in the debate) ...but the stuff you tried to bait and switch me with... still doesn't add up to 5 items. I have given you ample opportunity to show me 5 instances of anything GOOD that any ISLAMISTS have done for the USA... I would gladly stand corrected and schooled if you could deliver this simple request.... But, unfortunately, you have failed :( I don't blame you, bro... You had about as much of a chance of success as flying directly into the sun and coming back with an Ice-cream cone.. :lol:
#212601 by VinnyViolin
Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:01 pm
PaperDog wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
PaperDog wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
fisherman bob wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
fisherman bob wrote:Muslims HATE everybody, including Sikhs and Orthodox Christians.


Spoken like an ignorant extremist :roll:
No, I'm not the ignorant extremist. The ignorant extremists have perpetrated countless attacks worldwide, and they are Moslems. Name me one incident of a Christian who converts to Islam and has his head chopped off by another Christian. Name me one incident of hundreds of vacationers blown up by Christian terrorists at a resort. Name me one incident of an Olympic village taken over by Buddhist terrrorists who kill an Israeli Olympic team, planes commadeered by Watusis and crashed into skyscrapers, Hindu women forced to cover their bodies and treated like chattel, Eskimoes going on to buses and blowing themselves up along with a bunch of Jews, Coptic Christians going into the Golden Temple in Iraq and blowing it up aong with over 1000 worshippers, Navajo Indian going into a school into Bislan and blowing it up along with over 300 children, The Amish blowing up a jet over Lockerbie, Scotland, etc. Etc. Etc. How the f**k am an ignorant extremist you dumbass submoron? There's only ONE group performing SO MANY acts of unimaginable horror WORLDWIDE, and the sh*t is going to stop now. Mark my words, days of retribution are coming and they will be geting out of the USA and soon. These two pieces of scum in Boston were "good boys" "wouldn't hurt anybody" "scapegoated" etc. What bullshit. This country continues to let these people into our country, bends over backwards, even gives them a scholarship, and as a way of thanking us, as a way of showing their gratitude, they kill and maim well over 100 people, whose only crime was being out enjoying a great American tradition.



So Vinny, Lets solve this disagreement the gentleman's way:

Heres how we shall Proceed: Let us prove or disprove the merits of ISLAM . Mind you , we will not drag in other religions into this conversation. I will list 5 Bad things that ISLAMISTS have done to the USA. To counter, you may list 5 GOOD things that Islamists have done for the USA. Following this test, we shall repeat it with a list of 5 BAD Things That ISLAMISTS have to the WOrld. YOu may counter with 5 GOOD things that ISLamsts have contributed to the world. FINALLY... I will List 5 BAD things that ISLAMISTS have done in the MIDDLE EAST REGION... YOU may counter with 5 GOOD things that they have DOne in tHE MIDDLE EAST REGION.

Now, just so were on the same page. BAD = Significant/General/destructive Acts of hatred toward other human beings. GOOD = Significant/general/Uplifting acts of goodwill towards other human beings


A list of Five BAD things that ISLAMIST S have DONE To the USA (all in the name of ISLAM and ALLAH: (I could list about 40, but 5 will suffice...and I wont even include 911 or the FT Hood shootings)


1) 4/14/1972 USA New York, NY
Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one

2) 11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO
A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.

3) 1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ
A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.


4) 1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX
A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.

5) 6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR
A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.



]Your Turn, Vinny (Please Keep it to 5).


Well ... you see, to play your game I would have to be so ignorant as to blame all sects of Islam for the misdeeds of individuals from extremist sects.

In the meantime just keep kissing the Wahhabi asses of the Saudi and Bahraini Royalty.

Hey let's talk about Texans instead!
They are as homogenous a group as any other I can think of ... Fort Worth, Texas – A Texas man is facing criminal charges after carving a pentagram into his six-year-old son’s back in recognition of 12-12-12.

The man, identified as 39-year-old Brent Bartel of Richland Hills, called 911 after using what is believed to be a box cutter to carve the five-pointed star into his son’s flesh.

Aww ... he was prolly just doin a lil drankin! :lol:


Not only could you not find "ONE" (1) UNO counter point (according to these simple rules in the debate) ...but the stuff you tried to bait and switch me with... still doesn't add up to 5 items. I have given you ample opportunity to show me 5 instances of anything GOOD that any ISLAMISTS have done for the USA... I would gladly stand corrected and schooled if you could deliver this simple request.... But, unfortunately, you have failed :( I don't blame you, bro... You had about as much of a chance of success as flying directly into the sun and coming back with an Ice-cream cone.. :lol:


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#212602 by VinnyViolin
Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:07 pm
Folks from Texas are always preaching at those of us up North that we don’t understand the power of faith, and that we need to be more open to the role of religion in public life. Well, before we listen to their call to get churched, we might want to take a look into the role that religion plays down in Texas.

Today, the Texas brand of religion is looking pretty scary. We’re getting news of Christ of the Hills Monastery, a kooky cultish Christian monastery near Blanco, Texas.
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The former head of the monastery, Samuel Greene Jr., is under a ten year probation for molesting boys, and four more monks from Christ of the Hills have been arrested and charged with sexual assaults against children. According to an affadavit filed in the case, Greene, who used to be known as Sam the Land Man because of his real estate commercials, and now calls himself Father Benedict, believed that“the reason he was able to avoid criminal charges all these years was that God was on his side.”

#212604 by VinnyViolin
Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:13 pm
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#212605 by VinnyViolin
Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:18 pm
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#212607 by VinnyViolin
Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:30 pm
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AUSTIN, Texas — Texas officials on Wednesday moved in court to seize a 1,600-acre West Texas ranch where officials say jailed polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs sexually assaulted children.

Sect members used proceeds from money laundering to buy the ranch in Eldorado, Texas, and illegally harbored Jeffs there while he was a federal fugitive, authorities said in court papers supporting seizure of the YFZ (Yearning for Zion) Ranch.

#212608 by VinnyViolin
Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:31 pm
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#212609 by VinnyViolin
Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:40 pm
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wahhabism in the United States


A study conducted by the NGO Freedom House found Wahhabi publications in mosques in the United States.[citation needed] These publications included statements that Muslims should not only "always oppose" infidels "in every way", but "hate them for their religion … for Allah's sake", that democracy "is responsible for all the horrible wars of the 20th century", and that Shia and certain Sunni Muslims were infidels.[59][60]

The Saudi government issued a response to this report, stating: "[It has] worked diligently during the last five years to overhaul its education system [but] [o]verhauling an educational system is a massive undertaking".

A review of the study by Institute for Social Policy and Understanding (ISPU) complained the study cited documents from only a few mosques, arguing most mosques in the U.S. are not under Wahhabi influence.[61] ISPU comments on the study were not entirely negative however, and concluded:

American-Muslim leaders must thoroughly scrutinize this study. Despite its limitations, the study highlights an ugly undercurrent in modern Islamic discourse that American-Muslims must openly confront. However, in the vigor to expose strains of extremism, we must not forget that open discussion is the best tool to debunk the extremist literature rather than a suppression of First Amendment rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.[61]

#212610 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:44 pm
VinnyViolin wrote:Image


Great answer Vinny. From some one that is preaching against hate and violence.

YET... THAT IS ALL YOU PREACH.

Go for it!

#212611 by PaperDog
Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:53 pm
Vinny, the rules of this debate clearly stipulated that we would not drag other religions into it. But you are all over the map...every where EXCEPT where you need to be Can you or can you not deliver 5 GOOD things that ISLAMISTS have done for the USA.? ( And NO...local Spies, who turned in many war criminals during Iraq... don't count. (They were paid handsomely to betray their daddies...)

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