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I always think of Cheech and Chong

Peter Rooter thats the name just wash your troubles down the drain!

Rotten Peter, Rotten Peter, Rotten Peter!

Wasn't that on "Get Out of My Room"?

Here's my .02. i don't know much about either of these fellows but Pat M. got on Larry Coryell a player for whom i had a lot lot of respect.

i agree that overdubbing someone else's record seems cheesy but i don't start hating someone over a single disagreement.

Any sins Caryell may have committed were more than made up for by his album in Montreux and the live show I saw him do at Richard's in Atlanta.

I'm not myself a huge jazz fan but my most important mentor was a jazz player so I'm respectful as hell. jazz always seems to be to be what classical guys would do after they get a good buzz going.

Running for cover now...

Talbot

jazz always seems to be to be what classical guys would do after they get a good buzz going.

Running for cover now...

Talbot

actually from several accounts i've heard and read....it's what all the nashville session musicians do when they're not earning a living!

I always think of Cheech and Chong

Peter Rooter thats the name just wash your troubles down the drain!

Rotten Peter, Rotten Peter, Rotten Peter!

Wasn't that on "Get Out of My Room"?

I cant remember which one if came off of, me and some of my friends used to sit around, and yes we were getting high listening to C and C, that was eons ago

"...this type of musical necrophilia"

Not defending Kenny G... and truthfully nobody really knows the full story... But It does take some balls to do this...
Meanwhile ,The author of the article "tries' to pose clever with "this type of musical necrophilia" as if to imply Satchmo's song was/is dead and in some grave. Well shame on his/her dumb-ignorant ass for doing that...It just blows the whole case he/she was making out of the water and it discredits any possible hope of the author's competency about the "rules" of music making. That person should go and get a real job.

Who says its a sin to over-dub a piece of work... Truthfully, if an artist PAYS the roylaties, GETS the PERMISSION from the PUBLISHER, then maybe its the publisher that needs to get whacked here.

The real sell outs are the guys who prop this sh*t up to begin with. MAYBE the artist was so enamored with the work and wanted.

And lets not forget the paying audience, who will drop 100.00 bucks a night listening to "All eyes on us" and they dare criticize the unartistic licence of such publishers??

In the end who realy cares what kenny G does. Half you folks are more concerned with who listens to you ? right?

Hum I never really thought about who listens to me, they seem to just show up for some reason, I wouldnt go see my own band, hell I know that stuff backwards and forwards, however I do wish there was band just like mine that I could sit in with from time to time, that way I wouldnt have to set up the pa and all of that jazz.

Not that Im a Keeny G fan by a long shot, but I think lots of times its jealousy that someone came up with something, I can remember a story about Eddie Van Halen taking the tapes to You Really Got Me and playing them for Punky Meadows the guitarist for Angel, and Angel tryed to record it and hit the market with it before Van Halen did.

I think of all the blues songs that my favorite band Zep ripped off, these days I sometimes listen to this blues channal at home and hear the familiar lyrics come out, I mean Plant didnt change them very much on a lot of songs, in fact Ive been reading that new Jimmy Page book and hes says in there that he always changed the guitars so they werent a copy of anything, he said laughingly that Plant didnt change them enough, Of course Zep wound up paying at some point. Page said the one time they tryed to do the right thing on a song, it was some Richie Valens song, cant remember the title, but they went thru the proper cahnnels to get permission and whoever represented Valens estate wanted all the rights to whatever they did, they chose to not release it.

Then I think of the sampling all the rappers did of songs.

Personally I have a couple of solo patterns that are my go to's when I dont know what to do with a song, and occasionally I will hear some song where the guitarist is playing my solo, only he did it years before.

All of us steal music one way or the other, I doubt anyone of us on this site have a single original that couldnt be traced to something else.

But the article in question is old news at this point.

"...this type of musical necrophilia"

Not defending Kenny G... and truthfully nobody really knows the full story... But It does take some balls to do this...
Meanwhile ,The author of the article "tries' to pose clever with "this type of musical necrophilia" as if to imply Satchmo's song was/is dead and in some grave. Well shame on his/her dumb-ignorant ass for doing that...

that's not at all what i come away with, grant. pat metheny (the author) made it perfectly clear he's a huge fan of louis armstrong so i doubt he considers any of armstrong's work as moldering in some grave. quite the contrary and that's what got him so bent out of shape.

afterall he wrote: his (kenny g's) incredible arrogance to even consider such a thing, and as a musician, for presuming to share the stage with the single most important figure in our music.

and then later....

there ARE some things that are sacred - and amongst any musician that has ever attempted to address jazz at even the most basic of levels, louis armstrong and his music is hallowed ground.

pretty clear to me how he views armstong's contributions.

PM gave three examples of "musical necrophilia". louis armstrong, nat king cole, and wes montgomery. no doubt three of his heroes. do you seriously think he's implying that their "music" is dead? again...not at all what i come away with.

more likely he's referring to three examples of someone glomming on to the work of great artists who are no longer around to fend off such tresspass. at least that's what i come away with.

yet another way to interpret his 'necrophilia" analogy is pretty simple....necrophilia isn't messing with the dead's possesions or their artistic contributions....it's simply f**k over a dead person who doesn't have any defense against the tresspass.

Just because it's possible to do something, doesn't mean you should do it. Kenny G is the worst kind of "musician", a poser and hack who's only in it for the money. He takes advantage of the common folk who don't know the difference.

Just because it's possible to do something, doesn't mean you should do it. Kenny G is the worst kind of "musician", a poser and hack who's only in it for the money. He takes advantage of the common folk who don't know the difference.

yep, and for the unitiated who know no better.....many believe what he does is "jazz" and this will be their yardstick and measure for that music.

as if.

Just because it's possible to do something, doesn't mean you should do it. Kenny G is the worst kind of "musician", a poser and hack who's only in it for the money. He takes advantage of the common folk who don't know the difference.

Just like Brittany Spears, Taylor Swift, every boy band that ever existed, etc..

If not musicians, they are all surely successful entertainers. I understand the angst a "real" musician would have against those who "sell out" and craft a dumb product pointed at the lowest common denominator, but the sheer length and depth of the rant that Peg posted was really really overkill. That dude has a serious bug up his ass.

I think I felt the same way when I heard a rap song that used led zep guitar riff sampling.. it was like an affront to humanity.. but I just let it go.. really the blame (if any) falls onto the idiots who buy it and keep these "entertainers" in business. I can't hold a grudge against someone who crafted a product and made money on it, no matter how dumb it is. I know that *I* certainly didn't buy it.

Just because it's possible to do something, doesn't mean you should do it. Kenny G is the worst kind of "musician", a poser and hack who's only in it for the money. He takes advantage of the common folk who don't know the difference.

Just like Brittany Spears, Taylor Swift, every boy band that ever existed, etc..

If not musicians, they are all surely successful entertainers. I understand the angst a "real" musician would have against those who "sell out" and craft a dumb product pointed at the lowest common denominator, but the sheer length and depth of the rant that Peg posted was really really overkill. That dude has a serious bug up his ass.

I think I felt the same way when I heard a rap song that used led zep guitar riff sampling.. it was like an affront to humanity.. but I just let it go.. really the blame (if any) falls onto the idiots who buy it and keep these "entertainers" in business. I can't hold a grudge against someone who crafted a product and made money on it, no matter how dumb it is. I know that *I* certainly didn't buy it.

My girlfriend did professional photography for awhile and this thread sounds a lot like her complaints about the change to digital photography.
She took years to learn an art & skill. But, now any idiot now can point and click a camera, then fix it in Photoshop.

Steve Albini, the producer and guitarist (Big Black, Rapeman, Shellac) is an analogue purist who despises 99% of what gets called "music" now. He insists on using some very antiquated equipment to get the sounds he wants. He has a ProTools setup in his studio, although he has never used it.

Learning traditional skills and mastering an art will never go away, they give artists an edge over those with no skills at all IMO. Even if someday they invent a MIDI guitar that can make anyone sound like Eddie Van Halen, there is still only one Eddie Van Halen.
But, still, even someone untrained requires a modicum of talent and creativity to accomplish much of anything. There will always be room for different kinds of artists with different techniques.

Sampling itself is an art form that requires some creativity and talent to do it right. There is a huge difference between the Andy Warhols, Terry Gilliams, and Dust Brothers of the world versus the likes of MC Hammer or Vanilla Ice.

I feel ashamed now that I sorta like KennyG playing.. am I mentally unfit then? eh?

I feel ashamed now that I sorta like KennyG playing.. am I mentally unfit then? eh?

nah...you just have questionable musical taste.

"...this type of musical necrophilia"

Not defending Kenny G... and truthfully nobody really knows the full story... But It does take some balls to do this...
Meanwhile ,The author of the article "tries' to pose clever with "this type of musical necrophilia" as if to imply Satchmo's song was/is dead and in some grave. Well shame on his/her dumb-ignorant ass for doing that...

that's not at all what i come away with, grant. pat metheny (the author) made it perfectly clear he's a huge fan of louis armstrong so i doubt he considers any of armstrong's work as moldering in some grave. quite the contrary and that's what got him so bent out of shape.

afterall he wrote: his (kenny g's) incredible arrogance to even consider such a thing, and as a musician, for presuming to share the stage with the single most important figure in our music.

and then later....

there ARE some things that are sacred - and amongst any musician that has ever attempted to address jazz at even the most basic of levels, louis armstrong and his music is hallowed ground.

pretty clear to me how he views armstong's contributions.

PM gave three examples of "musical necrophilia". louis armstrong, nat king cole, and wes montgomery. no doubt three of his heroes. do you seriously think he's implying that their "music" is dead? again...not at all what i come away with.

more likely he's referring to three examples of someone glomming on to the work of great artists who are no longer around to fend off such tresspass. at least that's what i come away with.

yet another way to interpret his 'necrophilia" analogy is pretty simple....necrophilia isn't messing with the dead's possesions or their artistic contributions....it's simply f**k over a dead person who doesn't have any defense against the tresspass.

Mark, I stand corrected.. You make a very valid point about the 'necro' statement. I hadn't looked at it that way (Was thinking about the song, not the person) . The whole use of the term just threw me off.

I do get that Mehany has intense passion about the artists. I have my own version or passion over certain artists.

I think it was Picasso, who once stated: "The purpose of life is to find your gift, and the meaning of life is to give it away" ... My whole point is that Mehaney's argument sounds a bit like a religion... (Instead of Christ, it was the profit Satchmo, who's temple has been defiled...unless of course , folks are willing to pay full price for his CDs)

Just because it's possible to do something, doesn't mean you should do it. Kenny G is the worst kind of "musician", a poser and hack who's only in it for the money. He takes advantage of the common folk who don't know the difference.

yep, and for the unitiated who know no better.....many believe what he does is "jazz" and this will be their yardstick and measure for that music.

as if.

as i said,
you guys are a load of hypocritical pretentious bullshit.
who would sell there mothers for a chance to record anything in an environment kenny g lives in every day,
or justin beiber for that matter.
but no one is want your junk so you claim everyone is a sell out.
what a joke.