General Music Chat

I was going into a local shoprite today and I saw the most awful thing.

A elderly NUN was walking out the door in a single file line.
Yeah she was slow.
Yeah she was using a walker. SO WHAT>?

So this other woman basically shoved her and went around her very fast.

I saw it from about 2ft away and my eyes bulged and I was just getting ready to say something I'd regret in a really loud voice.

The woman that shoved the NUN looked up at me and mouthed "I'm sorry" but didn't actually say anything..and didn't apologize to the NUN.

I was so upset that I couldn't speak and I made a slight gagging sound.
So many things I wanted to say to her, none of them nice.

I just let her go and made sure the NUN was ok.
I have to laugh, the NUN just waived me off as if to say, "don't touch me" and I didn't mind at all. I was just concerned she was going to fall flat on her face.

When I got home, I got red in the face and my ears and head were ringing like a gong.

All I kept thinking was, "that woman is surely going to hell".

Who the f**k would shove a nun? What kind of a shit-bag world do we live in? Now if the NUN had done or said anything mean to me, I would have just walked away but that other woman? Bitch, I am watching for you now and you never want to run across my path again or your ears will be tingling after I get done with you.

Who the f**k would shove a nun?

had to be a card carrying atheist. those people are no good. no good i tell ya!

see what happens? ...you take the bible out of school and the next thing you know... nuns are getting shoved at shoprites!

Scott, I have a good story for you.
With all the snow in the parking lots, it was very tight. (I don't get it, but I park as far away as I can.)
Anyway, some young girl hit my wife's car backing out of a space. the damage on a 12 year old car was so minor....

Any way... This young LADY had the tenacity to prove her self responsibility.
SHE left a note with her phone and her apology.........

Does anyone understand the tremendous personal responsibility this lady displayed?

Her name is Laurie. WHAT A GREAT YOUNG AMERICAN!
I invited her and her boyfriend over for steaks on the BBQ when it warms up.

I love truly great Americans. She is one of the reasons why there is still hope.

I love truly great Americans.

I love truly great Canadians.

I love truly great Italians.

I love truly great Germans.

I love truly great Japanese.

I love truly great Mexicans.

I love truly great Spaniards.

apologies to any nationality i've left out.

guess you could say i'm an equal opportunity lover.

glenny, i'm not trying to bust your chops but i gotta ask.....why not just say this was a standup deal done by a standup lady? i mean, how is her nationality relevant to what she did?

(if she even IS american...are you certain she is?)

We all fall short of the glory of God.
It's one of those, let's recognize the sin of others and that of our own.
And then strive to be better for it, type of situations.

Yes it's easy for me to say that calmly as I am detached from the situation.
That however does not change the validity of the point I'm trying to make.

I've been dealing with some swings of depression and anger today.
Sat down and wrote out those things that made me feel depressed.
Came back to them after about two hours of guitar practice and in reading them they really looked quite childish.
What the hell do I have to be depressed about in comparison?
Nothing . . .
( what does guy with a Gibson guitar and a Marshall amp have to be depressed about ? )

Seriously though, latter, when I found out my wife is stuck in Kansas due to the snow storm I was livid, until fisherman bob pointed out how blessed I was to have a good wife willing to travel and work while I play guitar and clean house.
Ol Bob was right of course.
My point however belabored is this :
We only see a very small part of the big picture
We have no idea if said rude woman's behavior was a blessing or a curse?
All we can do is reflect on how we could be better stewards of what we have and are, here in this realm.


P.S. Thanks Bob

My point however belabored is this :
We only see a very small part of the big picture
We have no idea if said rude woman's behavior was a blessing or a curse?
All we can do is reflect on how we could be better stewards of what we have and are, here in this realm.

i couldn't agree more w that sentiment. the other thing to consider is we have no idea what's going on in that woman's (the nun shover) life.

george....sorry you're (or were) down in the dumps. isn't it amazing how sitting down w a gtr can be so theraputical? hang in there.

I love truly great Americans.

I love truly great Canadians.

I love truly great Italians.

I love truly great Germans.

I love truly great Japanese.

I love truly great Mexicans.

I love truly great Spaniards.

apologies to any nationality i've left out.

guess you could say i'm an equal opportunity lover.

glenny, i'm not trying to bust your chops but i gotta ask.....why not just say this was a standup deal done by a standup lady? i mean, how is her nationality relevant to what she did?

(if she even IS american...are you certain she is?)

Sir why do you go out of your way to trivialize a great story and obfuscate the truth of the fact with totally irrelevant speculation on your part.

I do believe you owe at least an honest answer to this question. This did happen in America. The woman spoke english. Her agenda was was of one of value that I hold true of great American value.

I will stop short of ripping you a new one. Why would you sir come out and question something as great as this young woman's values when they happened here in America.

Now if you are offended by my perception of Americanism... Then... Mark you and I hold utterly different values. If you wish to tear down a noble person such as this young lady... Then yes... You have your eyes closed to many people like me that are going to applaud people like her.

That was weak Mark... I expect better next time.

Scott, amazing self-restraint on your part. I'm not too sure if a few years ago you would have exploded in a bad way.

George, you know I'm in your corner.

Glen, great story. I believe there's more good people than bad here in America.

Planet Guy, I believe there's more good people than bad everywhere other than America.

Except here in 4 Colonies (George knows what I'm talking about)...

Sir why do you go out of your way to trivialize a great story and obfuscate the truth of the fact with totally irrelevant speculation on your part.

glenn, that's your interpretation (and a mistaken one) that i am trivializing what this woman did.

when in fact i asked you a simple question...why not just say this was a standup deal done by a standup lady?

I do believe you owe at least an honest answer to this question. This did happen in America. The woman spoke english. Her agenda was was of one of value that I hold true of great American value.

it also happened in ny, no? so why not ballyhoo the fact that she's a great new yorker?

taken a little further... i imagine it happened in smithtown, no? why not ballyhoo that fact?

maybe... because it's not relevant to the fact that she was just someone doing the right thing. her being in smithtown isn't all that relevant is it? same for ny. same for.....

so, i have to ask again....why view it as someone acting as a "good american"? that is the question i was posing. why isn't it enough that a fellow human stood up and did the right thing... as a HUMAN BEING?

do you not think that citizens of other countries are capable of doing the same? or do you think it's noteworthy to mention that she's american because you DON'T expect an american to do the right thing?

I will stop short of ripping you a new one. Why would you sir come out and question something as great as this young woman's values when they happened here in America.

yes. they (her values) happened in america. they also happened in ny. and they happened in smithtown....yet neither ny or smithtown seem that relevant to the telling of your tale.

again...the only thing i was questioning is the relevance you placed on someone's nationality as it pertains to them doing the right thing. that's what i find curious.

Now if you are offended by my perception of Americanism... Then... Mark you and I hold utterly different values.

"offended"....really? no glenn, i'm not "offended" in the least.

If you wish to tear down a noble person such as this young lady... Then yes... You have your eyes closed to many people like me that are going to applaud people like her.

well, i described her in the earlier post as a standup person doing a standup thing. i'm not sure how you construe that as me "tearing her down".

That was weak Mark... I expect better next time.

glenn, we do see things differently. i see it as for better or worse we're all human beings w mostly the same ways of defining right and wrong.
and you and i, in spite of our differences, still have similar ideas and values as to what we respect and look up to in others.

seems to me that you see the values of hard work, being a good neighbor, helping others, keeping your word, respecting those worthy of respect, taking care of your family, etc as being good american values.

i on the other hand see those same things as being good values of human beings. do you not think those are important, worthy, and universal values that are shared by stand up folks around the globe?

i know you probably don't mean it this way...but when you express the view that those are "american values"....it implies that others from other parts of the world don't place the same importance on them. of course they do.

hope that makes some sense.

I'm so ripped about that I can't sleep.

I'd love to say it was restraint but I ashamed to say it wasn't.
I just choked out of pure shock. I couldn't even talk. (a first for everything)

And I am seething big time now.
I mean I know the world is an ugly, cold place, but did it really have to be that bad? really? reaaallly? and in my face? that's unbelievable to me..

I'm thinking now that the world is rougher than I thought and should be handled in a similar fashion, roughly.

And that won't be a pretty picture once the ball gets rolling because that's "eye for an eye" territory there.

I'm glad that woman left you the note, Glenn. Maybe there are a few good people left among the dirt, scattered to the 4 winds. I never see those people, only the dirt.

Planet Guy, I believe there's more good people than bad everywhere other than America.

Except here in 4 Colonies (George knows what I'm talking about)...

c'mon bob....don't let the d-bags who i believe are in the minority swing ya over to the dark side.

when i read that story of the old mexican woman in your neighborhood helping out, i had a distinct picture of consuela, the mexican maid on family guy helping to push someone's stuck car outta the snow in her uniform.

she's about to put her shoulder into it and the driver rolls down his window..."lady it's no good...the car's hopelessly stuck".

"nooooooooooo, i help"

I'm so ripped about that I can't sleep.

I'd love to say it was restraint but I ashamed to say it wasn't.
I just choked out of pure shock. I couldn't even talk. (a first for everything)

And I am seething big time now.
I mean I know the world is an ugly, cold place, but did it really have to be that bad? really? reaaallly? and in my face? that's unbelievable to me..

I'm thinking now that the world is rougher than I thought and should be handled in a similar fashion, roughly.

And that won't be a pretty picture once the ball gets rolling because that's "eye for an eye" territory there.

I'm glad that woman left you the note, Glenn. Maybe there are a few good people left among the dirt, scattered to the 4 winds. I never see those people, only the dirt.

kinda dark there, scottie.

listen.... she did what chris isaak would describe as a bad, bad thing. who knows what was going on for her. she might have ducked in to the store to grab some aspirin for her child who was waiting at home w temp of 104...she might have just found her husband was boinking her best friend, maybe she lost a loved one.....or could be she's just scum of the earth.

either way.....there's always gonna be good folks and $hitbirds. acting similarly gruffly or grabbing a wand to spread pixie dust around ain't gonna change it none.

Handing out forgiveness to the offensive while we are choking on rage is no easy trick, but it does tend to set us free. Nunshover lady certainly doesn't deserve to be forgiven for such a thoughtless and unkind act. But then... I don't really deserve forgiveness either.

Carrying a grudge consumes us from the inside out, not the offensive, so I choose to forgive them and let God sort it all out later. This was a long and hard fought personal lesson for me.

Does that mean I can shove old people to the ground and walk on them?

Is it "might makes right" time, because I can hang with that all day and all night long.

I've restrained myself for a long time. I don't take advantage of the weak.

Does this officially mean I can get away with this type of behavior?

I won't lie, I have a natural tendency to want to beat a bloody trail of tears throughout the land. (and I'd be good at it too)

I can honestly say that I wanted to throttle more than a few people in the last 6 months and none of them caught a beating.

Why is it that some people feel like it's ok to piss on all of the rest of us?

If I dropped the "let's all be civilized" mentality, I'd be one of the worst animals in the enclosure.

As it is, I felt like pulling out one individual's teeth with a pair of pliers, that I felt intentionally messed with what otherwise was good material(s).

And I don't agree that acting gruffly won't change anything.
I think the biggest teacher in the land is pain. The more pain you feel, the less inclined you will be to repeat whatever it is that you did.

If I had got up inside that woman's ass for shoving the nun, I can pretty much safely say that I sincerely doubt that witch would have done that ever again.

I love truly great Americans.

I love truly great Canadians.

I love truly great Italians.

I love truly great Germans.

I love truly great Japanese.

I love truly great Mexicans.

I love truly great Spaniards.

apologies to any nationality i've left out.

guess you could say i'm an equal opportunity lover.

glenny, i'm not trying to bust your chops but i gotta ask.....why not just say this was a standup deal done by a standup lady? i mean, how is her nationality relevant to what she did?

(if she even IS american...are you certain she is?)

Sir why do you go out of your way to trivialize a great story and obfuscate the truth of the fact with totally irrelevant speculation on your part.

I do believe you owe at least an honest answer to this question. This did happen in America. The woman spoke english. Her agenda was was of one of value that I hold true of great American value.

I will stop short of ripping you a new one. Why would you sir come out and question something as great as this young woman's values when they happened here in America.

Now if you are offended by my perception of Americanism... Then... Mark you and I hold utterly different values. If you wish to tear down a noble person such as this young lady... Then yes... You have your eyes closed to many people like me that are going to applaud people like her.

That was weak Mark... I expect better next time.

What famous musician said: " Think Globally; Act Locally..."
American Values have much of their roots from [insert country here>. But, What separates "America" from so many other countries, is the spirit in which certain traditions from other nations are carried out in America. For example: Child labor ... It is vastly unacceptable in America to put children to hard labor. (Its not a problem in China) So, Who decided this for America? Most likely, a Chinese person and at least one none Chinese person. Thus, experienced folk, who, despite the diversity, could agree on a common value. , shown to benefit American society at large.

When you have a large collection of values, (regardless of origin) you can essentially define a culture by them. Its the same as saying , you can tell a tree by its fruit.

When you see a man being carted to a guilliatine in the 21st century, you'd be very hard pressed to arbitrarily assume that this is the act of [Insert a country/national here)

However, When you see a young woman leave a note in an act of responsibility, you'd be hard pressed to let that go without feeling a little inspiration and pride.

If Glenny was a [insert a foreign national here> visitor, and received that note, he would likely say " These Americans aren't as bad as I thought.".

But, Glenny is American, and he saw that note, and he was saying..."Us Americans arent so bad, 'afterall'!..."

A human in his/her own homeland, is always on the vigil to confirm and verify any positive evidence of present culture. Upon discovering the positive evidence, one is inclined to cite his/her allegiance, love and ownership of that culture. And that's what Glenny did...

The inverse applies as well: We will hate a country, on the basis of a handful of miscreants who ruined it for everybody.

Its human nature.