General Music Chat

I agree Jimmy not all people should have guns in thier homes, I can say just as quickly that some people shouldnt have guitars in the house either.

This was just a bad situation all the way around, I hope the kids wind up in better homes, they dont deserve to go thru this.

Guns aren't in all homes.
Only the defenceless.[/b]

We had a bad storm last year and I was fenceless.

Then now its even easier for bad guys to get to you and yours.
Good luck with that.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01 ... cades?lite

You can live blind and run into the wall or get an equalizer and walk with confidence.

I loved her voice and her recordings and some of the songs she covered.

It is very sad. Who knows what drove her to that point.


Jimmy... (notice the three dots... don't want to insult your education, and thanks for the refresher about things I learned and forgot 40 years ago)

Any way Jimmy... How can you possibly turn this women's personal tragedy into an argument for more gun control? Shame on you. I don't hear a word from liberals about mental health issues. The only solutions to these concerns are our prisons. The only difference between a police officer and and a convicted felon is ONE BAD DECISION.

O.K. I know I am already losing your attention. BUT!!! All your post's on this thread and many others are about TAKING AWAY AMERICAS GUNS.

Now let me scare you. You won't believe it... You are afraid of guns... You have bought the whole thing about the government protecting you... You call it paranoia... I HAVE NONE!

The only thing protecting your asss... 300 million privately owned WEAPONS! (more ammo than then our government could ever buy up...YES THEY HAVE BEEN PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE OPEN MARKET! Explain that one!!!)

Sad, you will never get it.

Better to be packing, then to get packed on.. LOL

Brace again... In her particular case, the guns should have been removed... The same way her license to drive should have been revoked, and they should have posted a watch on her...

The only way to really have prevented her shootings, was basically to lock her away in a padded room until some expert could declare her 'safe' again.

But that encroaches on personal freedom. Minority Report style laws presume guilt over innocence...and totally contradicts the spirit of laws surrounding allowance of freedoms.

If the Government actually did care about her, they would have provided her with the necessary help, at a 'reasonable cost, as charged from a professional doctor, who would not be so greedy as to barter her outcome on the basis of fees. That's the only real solution to this problem...

If you take away citizens right to own guns, that still does not prevent the 1- 2 percent of population (potential murderers) from murdering. There is no evidence to support any notion that gun laws reduce their behavior. There is anecdotal evidence to suggest their criminal behaviors increased, (the assumption being, they seized new opportunities as more victims were qualifiably vulnerable )

2) If you allow citizens the right to own guns, the same 1-2 percent of the population will still be potential murderers and will still murder.

But, the difference is in the long haul; citizens with guns are inclined toward self governance (and the 98% 'non-murders" will most likely use better
discretion on self defense, than any police or military force ever could on their behalf.)

It simply is not practical, and is actually gross negligence to put our safety and well being in the hands of any government, to hand that kind of power to the govt and expect that govt to foot an 'exclusive" position of protection for the masses. I would even say It's downright irresponsible...

So, Jimmy, while in principle you are correct about the particular causal relationship of her access to a weapon, given her state of mind, the scope of this issue is much bigger than that principle... There is a higher principle to consider...the foremost being the forfeiture of a constitutional foundation ; and with it, the surrender of certain, critical leverage , which upholds the people of the U.S and their true freedoms.

Early America was built on trust for the people, rather than doubt against the people.

If you take away citizens right to own guns, that still does not prevent the 2 percent of population (potential murderers) from murdering.

Hmmm something tasty in there..

The Starfish 2% Club >uh-oh.. clear the streets...

Whadda ya mean, there aren't any donuts left?>?
PKOW-PKOW..headshot.. ohh yeaaa.. lol

Revoke her license? She going to drive some people down before she snaps?

Cool, can't wait for the film at 11.. lol (big engine rev noise in background)

Brace again... In her particular case, the guns should have been removed... The same way her license to drive should have been revoked, and they should have posted a watch on her...

The only way to really have prevented her shootings, was basically to lock her away in a padded room until some expert could declare her 'safe' again.

But that encroaches on personal freedom. Minority Report style laws presume guilt over innocence...and totally contradicts the spirit of laws surrounding allowance of freedoms.

If the Government actually did care about her, they would have provided her with the necessary help, at a 'reasonable cost, as charged from a professional doctor, who would not be so greedy as to barter her outcome on the basis of fees. That's the only real solution to this problem...

If you take away citizens right to own guns, that still does not prevent the 1- 2 percent of population (potential murderers) from murdering. There is no evidence to support any notion that gun laws reduce their behavior. There is anecdotal evidence to suggest their criminal behaviors increased, (the assumption being, they seized new opportunities as more victims were qualifiably vulnerable )

2) If you allow citizens the right to own guns, the same 1-2 percent of the population will still be potential murderers and will still murder.

But, the difference is in the long haul; citizens with guns are inclined toward self governance (and the 98% 'non-murders" will most likely use better
discretion on self defense, than any police or military force ever could on their behalf.)

It simply is not practical, and is actually gross negligence to put our safety and well being in the hands of any government, to hand that kind of power to the govt and expect that govt to foot an 'exclusive" position of protection for the masses. I would even say It's downright irresponsible...

So, Jimmy, while in principle you are correct about the particular causal relationship of her access to a weapon, given her state of mind, the scope of this issue is much bigger than that principle... There is a higher principle to consider...the foremost being the forfeiture of a constitutional foundation ; and with it, the surrender of certain, critical leverage , which upholds the people of the U.S and their true freedoms.

Early America was built on trust for the people, rather than doubt against the people.

Dawg that was very well written!! Almost as good as one of your songs!!

Thanks, for going out of your way to write that!!!

Only thing is my right to own a gun is granted to myself, under a government that I have allowed the power... to avoid anarchy.
Our government only exists because we the people allow it to exist.
This is the higher order of authority you are explaining. IT COMES FROM THE PEOPLE. NOT THE MEDIA.

Good job anyway!

During the war I was a machinegunner and people used to kid me about carrying a pistol. Except on TV, pistols are definitely small change in a real conflict.

I carried the sidearm because in an absolute pinch, I didn't want to be captured and tortured by a lot of communist freaks.

Same holds true today. Now my pistol is for self defense but nontheless it remains a very convenient and relatively painless 'off button' should such be needed.

It is only ridiculous to blame the tools. If anythng, a suicide will find a way and most of those ways are a lot more gruesome than a bullet.

The Japanese have a very high suicide rate. But to use a knife? Please...

Funny, the same people who support 'doctor assisted' euthanasia (to go call it what it is) get in a hissy fit when someone uses a pistol instead of syringe with the blessing of the god of this age: government.

Tabot

whatever happened to the good ole fashioned slashing the wrists? is that too sissy in today's age?

During the war I was a machinegunner and people used to kid me about carrying a pistol. Except on TV, pistols are definitely small change in a real conflict.

I carried the sidearm because in an absolute pinch, I didn't want to be captured and tortured by a lot of communist freaks.

Same holds true today. Now my pistol is for self defense but nontheless it remains a very convenient and relatively painless 'off button' should such be needed.

It is only ridiculous to blame the tools. If anythng, a suicide will find a way and most of those ways are a lot more gruesome than a bullet.

The Japanese have a very high suicide rate. But to use a knife? Please...

Funny, the same people who support 'doctor assisted' euthanasia (to go call it what it is) get in a hissy fit when someone uses a pistol instead of syringe with the blessing of the god of this age: government.

Tabot

I heard that, in Japan, jumping off of tall buildings is a popular method of committing suicide.
BAN ARCHITECTURE!

garage with car running

Bottom line,
Many good guys would be alive if guns and propper education were sold together. A gun in trained hands, even young hands might have given
that litle girl her daddy back. You can believe she will own a gun as an adult.
This lesson is being learned the hard way all accross America every day.
You could be next.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02 ... e=obinsite

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whatever happened to the good ole fashioned slashing the wrists? is that too sissy in today's age?

The form of death she picked probably reflected on her state of mind
If I was to kill myself it would be drugs - peaceful and there is no bloody scene left behind to haunt whoever finds the body ...
A friend of my family killed themselves.
He looked up on the internet a way to suffocate himself.
He built some kind of suicide device where he put something over his head and basically gassed himself with something ....
Anyway .... he left phone calls and messages to his family about where to find his body ...... and as they raced to his spot he killed himself and the family found him dead in the woods.
One last "F You" I guess.