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To me the last truely big thing in music was Michael Jackson and Thriller..

How can you say that when U2 has dominated the charts with every album they've produced since 1983?

They have been the "biggest thing" for going on 30 years now.

To me the last truely big thing in music was Michael Jackson and Thriller.

I dont think we will ever see artist get to the level of the Beatles, Zep, Elvis, Jackson, Stones.

It seems to me that whenever music gets a little stale something, with true emotion behind it comes along, look at Grunge for instance, grunge took down Thriller and that era.

For me I really dont care what the next big thing is musically, because at this point Im based in old music anyway, and I wouldnt notice something huge if it was happening.

I kind of thing that music is gonna go the' kung-fu of timing' route. I have noticed some extraordinary stuff out there that's examining, if I may coin a phrase: TRPECs (tempos rhythms and patterns with electronic textures). I hate to say it, but I think the chops of the day is gonna lie in how well the artist can manage that buffet in style and variation.

I'm saving up for a keyboard... and any week now, my new Sitar should be arriving... Now All I'll need is my Aluminum Collandar and then I will tune in to the univers to see what I can hear.

To me the last truely big thing in music was Michael Jackson and Thriller..

How can you say that when U2 has dominated the charts with every album they've produced since 1983?

They have been the "biggest thing" for going on 30 years now.

Perhaps it's based on a personal opinion.
I detest U2 . . . they have done nothing of any significance IMO to warrant a sold out crowd much less being considered a "biggest thing".
For that matter, Michael Jackson to me musically, represents a dead pervert.

I'm sure in some circles the Beatles Stones you name it rate at about that level as well.

It's all conjecture unless your going to base it on annual sales alone.

And if that is the case liquer and strippers have music bested.

I detest U2 . . . they have done nothing of any significance IMO to warrant a sold out crowd much less being considered a "biggest thing"..

How can you say that when 80% of all christian worship music is only a U2 ripoff? From Coldplay to Delirious, almost every band has adopted the Edge's guitar technique in some of their songs at one time or another.

And no one person did more to alleviate hunger and suffering in Africa than Bono. In my opinion, he represents Christ better to the world than most churches. I have a DVD of him speaking to a pastor's conference at Willow Creek in Chicago that is quite impressive.

So whether you hate their sound or not, they deserve respect for the influence they've had on the world.




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I loved the early U2 stuff, "Boy" and "October" and "War". I saw them do the "War" tour, about 30 years ago, excellent concert. Kind of lost interest in them after they became popular.

I detest U2 . . . they have done nothing of any significance IMO to warrant a sold out crowd much less being considered a "biggest thing"..

How can you say that when 80% of all christian worship music is only a U2 ripoff? From Coldplay to Delirious, almost every band has adopted the Edge's guitar technique in some of their songs at one time or another.

And no one person did more to alleviate hunger and suffering in Africa than Bono. In my opinion, he represents Christ better to the world than most churches. I have a DVD of him speaking to a pastor's conference at Willow Creek in Chicago that is quite impressive.

So whether you hate their sound or not, they deserve respect for the influence they've had on the world.




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Based on your opinion.
Not mine.
I can say that because they suck IMO.
The fact that I happen to write and play original Christian music is totality irrelevant.

Next Big things in the eyes of KramerGuy

1970's - disco & funk

1980's - Rock progressed to new wave, with MTV (big thing in itself), pop-rock rose to new levels, heavy metal grew into the biggest music scene in the world.

1990's - Grunge and post-punk styles dominated the 'modern rock' market, replacing the corporate-ruined-metal of the late 80's.

2000's - since 1995, grunge became 'modern rock' and staled out for the next 15 years. Rock bands like Nickelback did zero for the scene, much the same as pop stars like Miley Cyrus. If there ever was a 'musical purgatory', this was it. Down-tempos and depressing styles left over from grunge are dominant this entire period. Towards the later part of the decade, promising rock bands started to rise above the rest, such as Kings of Leon, Killers, Modest Mouse, and the white stripes - to shape the next decade of rock.

2010's - Modern rock finally gave way to more melodic and folk elements, and also with the rise of pop-country gave way to alternate instrumentation in rock such as violins, banjos, etc. Keyboards are making a strong comeback in new ways, dubstep influenced several americanized styles mixed with the rest. More upbeat tempos and "happy" music dominate the scene. Groups like mumford & sons, grouplove, M83, Silversun Pickups, the black keys, Muse, etc.. all making huge leaps in "new" sounds.. with some elements of former styles (isn't that always the case?).

Notably country-pop has also exploded in the last 5 years, although personally I think it's mostly crap.. too corporate and too poppy.

Oh yeah, and what's next?

Well I think progressive rock will make it's comeback next, using today's elements of instrumentation and sound production applied to more of a trippy format as we saw in pink floyd, doors, yes, ELP, etc..

Maybe wishful thinking, but where else is it gonna go?

Oh yeah, and what's next?

Well I think progressive rock will make it's comeback next, using today's elements of instrumentation and sound production applied to more of a trippy format as we saw in pink floyd, doors, yes, ELP, etc..

Maybe wishful thinking, but where else is it gonna go?

I sure hope you are right Kramer!

I loved the early U2 stuff, "Boy" and "October" and "War". I saw them do the "War" tour, about 30 years ago, excellent concert. Kind of lost interest in them after they became popular.

Cuz yer a fag

Zip, who peed in your cornflakes?

Or is that just saved up aggression for ole jimmy cakes? lol

Zip, who peed in your cornflakes?

Or is that just saved up aggression for ole jimmy cakes? lol

Just for Jim.
Actually not much aggression to it - I just felt like perpetrating a surprise "poke with stick".

...wait a minute... maybe I shouldn't use that phrase

Next Big things in the eyes of KramerGuy

1970's - disco & funk

1980's - Rock progressed to new wave, with MTV (big thing in itself), pop-rock rose to new levels, heavy metal grew into the biggest music scene in the world.

1990's - Grunge and post-punk styles dominated the 'modern rock' market, replacing the corporate-ruined-metal of the late 80's.

2000's - since 1995, grunge became 'modern rock' and staled out for the next 15 years. Rock bands like Nickelback did zero for the scene, much the same as pop stars like Miley Cyrus. If there ever was a 'musical purgatory', this was it. Down-tempos and depressing styles left over from grunge are dominant this entire period. Towards the later part of the decade, promising rock bands started to rise above the rest, such as Kings of Leon, Killers, Modest Mouse, and the white stripes - to shape the next decade of rock.

2010's - Modern rock finally gave way to more melodic and folk elements, and also with the rise of pop-country gave way to alternate instrumentation in rock such as violins, banjos, etc. Keyboards are making a strong comeback in new ways, dubstep influenced several americanized styles mixed with the rest. More upbeat tempos and "happy" music dominate the scene. Groups like mumford & sons, grouplove, M83, Silversun Pickups, the black keys, Muse, etc.. all making huge leaps in "new" sounds.. with some elements of former styles (isn't that always the case?).

Notably country-pop has also exploded in the last 5 years, although personally I think it's mostly crap.. too corporate and too poppy.

Its all old news... The aforementioned new artists are making the same old soup but juts adding a different grade of pepper in it... Not saying its bad.... But it aint earth shaking... None of those guys will last long.
Anybody ever hear Brett Dennon. He started the happy happy upbeat tempos in the folk scene just 10 years ago... He's gotton buried somewhere ...We wont be seeing him play at the superbowl half time ...anytime soon... Yet he's an extraordinary writer.

Next Big things in the eyes of KramerGuy

1970's - disco & funk

1980's - Rock progressed to new wave, with MTV (big thing in itself), pop-rock rose to new levels, heavy metal grew into the biggest music scene in the world.

1990's - Grunge and post-punk styles dominated the 'modern rock' market, replacing the corporate-ruined-metal of the late 80's.

2000's - since 1995, grunge became 'modern rock' and staled out for the next 15 years. Rock bands like Nickelback did zero for the scene, much the same as pop stars like Miley Cyrus. If there ever was a 'musical purgatory', this was it. Down-tempos and depressing styles left over from grunge are dominant this entire period. Towards the later part of the decade, promising rock bands started to rise above the rest, such as Kings of Leon, Killers, Modest Mouse, and the white stripes - to shape the next decade of rock.

2010's - Modern rock finally gave way to more melodic and folk elements, and also with the rise of pop-country gave way to alternate instrumentation in rock such as violins, banjos, etc. Keyboards are making a strong comeback in new ways, dubstep influenced several americanized styles mixed with the rest. More upbeat tempos and "happy" music dominate the scene. Groups like mumford & sons, grouplove, M83, Silversun Pickups, the black keys, Muse, etc.. all making huge leaps in "new" sounds.. with some elements of former styles (isn't that always the case?).

Notably country-pop has also exploded in the last 5 years, although personally I think it's mostly crap.. too corporate and too poppy.

Its all old news... The aforementioned new artists are making the same old soup but juts adding a different grade of pepper in it... Not saying its bad.... But it aint earth shaking... None of those guys will last long.
Anybody ever hear Brett Dennon. He started the happy happy upbeat tempos in the folk scene just 10 years ago... He's gotton buried somewhere ...We wont be seeing him play at the superbowl half time ...anytime soon... Yet he's an extraordinary writer.

Changes in technology are usually the main factors in new musical trends.
Where would the blues be without the Western guitar?
Where would rock & roll be without amplification?
Where would electronic music be without...electronics?
This is partially why music hasn't really changed much in 30 years.
That used to really bother me a lot.
But, I eventually accepted that all anyone can do is just play what they enjoy playing and start from there.

I believe that sound design, using computers to create entirely new sounds, is the future.
I have believed this since the 80's, when I saw a behind-the-scenes documentary of the movie "Dune".
They showed a sound effects designer crossing an actor's voice with a door creak to make his voice sound strange.
Back then, the technology to do this was exorbitantly expensive.
Only a movie studio could afford that kind of hardware.
But, today, software-based versions are more readily available for home studio use.
I am SO THERE, dude!

Who knows?
Maybe some day you'll see me, or someone like me, playing some crazy new form of music at the grammy's.

To me the last truely big thing in music was Michael Jackson and Thriller..

How can you say that when U2 has dominated the charts with every album they've produced since 1983?

They have been the "biggest thing" for going on 30 years now.

Perhaps it's based on a personal opinion.
I detest U2 . . . they have done nothing of any significance IMO to warrant a sold out crowd much less being considered a "biggest thing".
For that matter, Michael Jackson to me musically, represents a dead pervert.

I'm sure in some circles the Beatles Stones you name it rate at about that level as well.

It's all conjecture unless your going to base it on annual sales alone.

And if that is the case liquer and strippers have music bested.

AFter War and October It seems to me, Bono got caught up in his own exhaust... He walks around like he invented rock N roll...