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Holy Crap Batman Did I start this? Didnt want to piss anyone off man.(not that I really care but it wasnt my intent) I just wanted to share with ya'll why I think Christian Rock is part of our society as per original post.
My greatist stumbling block strewing appologies to all.

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Don't tell me what you don't believe, tell me what you do believe. Be known by what you're for, not what your against.
Peace and Love,
Blair

Mother Teresa said something similar. She was asked if she ever marched in an antiwar protest. She said "Oh, I wouldn't do that. But show me a PRO PEACE march, and I would be there!"

Ok, I had no intention to be condescending towards anyone. If I call myself a believer, and you a non-believer, it is merely semantics.

I've learned through the years, that people will fault you no matter what you try to convey with the best of intentions. So if you are offended by what I have said, then please except my sincerest apology and forgive me.

I am not trying to "chase" after some divinity. I was bought by the blood of Jesus. Not other god can say that. All gods, demons, lords, and kings will bow down to Him no matter what you believe. Here is the clincher for me, If I die and what I believe is true, then I will be in Heaven for a short time before coming back with Jesus to rule and reign as a king and priest with Him for 1000 years and then eternity. Those who do not believe will spend eternity in eternal damnation. So, I would much rather be right in believing that He saved me than in the end be wrong and......

My question to you as pagans, what does your god offer you? I think it is a legitimate question....not intended to be pious or condescending. My God offers me hope, healing, prosperity and the Love of an All Mighty, Eternal Father. I worship no idols. Just the One who can only be seen by once blinded eyes....but now they see (supernaturally).

I dare any of you to just sit and begin to read the Gospel of John and ask God to reveal Himself to you. I dare you.

Well written GSA, And I like your tune on your Bandmix site. Perhaps you would like to give mine a listen as well. Forgive the poor recording I,m new to all this and it will improve. I'll meet ya at our Fathers House if not before.

Ok, I had no intention to be condescending towards anyone. If I call myself a believer, and you a non-believer, it is merely semantics.

No, it is not merely semantics. It is a smug and insulting dismissal to anyone of a faith other than yours.

I've learned through the years, that people will fault you no matter what you try to convey with the best of intentions. So if you are offended by what I have said, then please except my sincerest apology and forgive me.

It's amazing what people can accept from you if you proceed from respect. Calling them "non-believers" off the bat (unless they athiests, which will please them) guarantees you get a negative reaction. Is that what you are after? Do you seek negative responses so you can claim to be a victim?

I am not trying to "chase" after some divinity.

Good, because that Divinity is already inside of you. It would be a pretty silly errand.

I was bought by the blood of Jesus. Not other god can say that.

For good reasons. Not all Gods are about blood sacrifice.

All gods, demons, lords, and kings will bow down to Him no matter what you believe.

That is your belief. Not all have the same.

Here is the clincher for me, If I die and what I believe is true, then I will be in Heaven for a short time before coming back with Jesus to rule and reign as a king and priest with Him for 1000 years and then eternity. Those who do not believe will spend eternity in eternal damnation. So, I would much rather be right in believing that He saved me than in the end be wrong and......

So your faith is fear based, rather than love based. OK.

My question to you as pagans, what does your god offer you?

Which ones? There are so many, so please be specific.

I think it is a legitimate question....not intended to be pious or condescending. My God offers me hope, healing, prosperity and the Love of an All Mighty, Eternal Father.

My Gods offer me all that, plus joy and great meade, and the love of an All Mighty, Eternal Mother. All They ask for me in return is to grow into the greatest spirit I can be. I think I got a great deal.

I worship no idols. Just the One who can only be seen by once blinded eyes....but now they see (supernaturally).

Are you sure you worship no idols? I would submit that you have made Jesus Christ an idol..a cult figure if you will. I have not, so far, seen much of his teachings in your words.

I dare any of you to just sit and begin to read the Gospel of John and ask God to reveal Himself to you. I dare you.

Hell, I took that dare decades ago. In fact, several times. I decided that Christianity was not my way, and found the one truly for me instead.

I think I have finally blown a cork or two. First off, you are being a hypocrite, God Shall Add. One hand you apologize with and the other you assault with, that is very Christian like. That is exactly what Jesus would want, did anyone see "Harass thy neighbor" anywhere in the Bible?

Pagans... Lmao. I am not Pagan darnit and if you who insult them would do your research you would see there were times when that religion was very peaceful. Maybe now we associate it with witchery, but it was not always thought of as evil, at least in its prime origin. I think if I remember right the Church, yep those nice Christian's or yours, tried to wipe them out under Constantine in 300 AD. I am sure Irminsul knows, I will wait for him to reply.

You know what, I have blown my cork already on here, but did I once tell you that you were going to Hell because you do not believe in what I do? No. It is people like you who start wars, people like you and your hypocrisies that destroy this world. When you mature and find out that preaching your path of religion is not going to get you anywhere in this world, then come talk to me. Learn in life to keep your religious beliefs to yourself and we will all get along just fine.

I am 19 and I have more respect for people in my whole body than you have in your pinky.


Peace to all, GuitarAnatomy.

hmm hmm hmm tra la la..... strollin' along, singin' a song.... oh, oops! Was looking for a musicians' forum. Looks like I wandered off into a forum on religion. Yikes!

tra la la... *singing fades into the distance*

hmm hmm hmm tra la la..... strollin' along, singin' a song.... oh, oops! Was looking for a musicians' forum. Looks like I wandered off into a forum on religion. Yikes!

tra la la... *singing fades into the distance*

Lmao. You took a wrong turn, go straight and then turn right!

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

GA I think you pretty well nailed it. Constantine did try the ol purge, more than once. And his anti-pagan crusades weren't the end of it. I would cite the Spanish Inqisition, and the Burning Times (witch trials) as a real witch killin' ho-down too.

And you know the weird thing? More than half of those murdered in the Burning Times were not even Pagan. They were innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time, in the path of some political nutcase carrying a Bible and witch "poker", putting people to death, and making off with their property and their money (Oh yeah, the whole thing was a scam. "fighting evil" had zero to do with it.).

Anyway thanks for your comments, GA. Dang dude, you are so much more with it than I was at your age.

and just to set the record straight, the powers behind the Crusades, the Inquisitions etc, were not acting on anything resembling the message of the Gospel.

I've been in more than one discussion with non Christians, who wanted to throw those in my face as a way to discredit the Church: and while these events were sad chapters in the history of "the church"(small c), again, they were not in the ballpark theologically.

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boy, still amazing how these threads pop up & propagate no?
Are we gonna have to have a "Bandmix.Jesus.com?

GA I think you pretty well nailed it. Constantine did try the ol purge, more than once. And his anti-pagan crusades weren't the end of it. I would cite the Spanish Inqisition, and the Burning Times (witch trials) as a real witch killin' ho-down too.

And you know the weird thing? More than half of those murdered in the Burning Times were not even Pagan. They were innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time, in the path of some political nutcase carrying a Bible and witch "poker", putting people to death, and making off with their property and their money (Oh yeah, the whole thing was a scam. "fighting evil" had zero to do with it.).

Anyway thanks for your comments, GA. Dang dude, you are so much more with it than I was at your age.

See, had a feeling I was right on the money right there. Thanks for the compliment, Irminsul.

No, throughout history it seems religion dominates hate. Now in our age we see factions of the Muslim religion going into convulsions and killing people, but I repeat myself, "factions." It is the factions of the Muslim faith that have twisted its peaceful ways to make it into something evil. As far as Christianity goes, tons of hypocrisy there too. Look, it is in every religion, Jewish, Catholic, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Pagan, Bhuddist, etc... That's life. I think it is up to us to discern at some point or another what is to be followed and what is not, so many lies in religion.

I do not support hate, I do not support stupidity, I do not support violence, I do not support imposing your faith upon others (As I have said many times by now), I do not support lying, I do not support anything in the wave of corruption. As far as I am concerned "God Shall Add" is driving me nuts with his "I am sorry" on one hand and then his "You are all going to Hell" on the other. As I said before, the Christian religion seems to have this series of never ending hypocrisies these days. I am not saying others do not, but it just seems more prevalent in that specific religion lately (No clue why, perhaps due to heavy media coverage and historic representations). So to come and say "Jesus said..." is a bunch of junk because if people really love Jesus then they would not preach any form of hate or dictation upon their fellow man.

Jesus was about peace and harmony, not hate and telling people "You do not pray to me you are going to Hell." In fact, I have something fascinating to share on that note. Back in 1945 in Nag Hamadi, Egypt, ancient documents were found, they were the "Judas Gospel." These documents stated that Judas never betrayed Christ, that he was the only one who actually understood his true message. Now we can see where that can become severely controversial, but it goes on with one extremely pertinent statement I would like to uphold, according to these documents Jesus said:

"The Kingdom of God is inside you, and all around you, not in mansions of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood... and I am there, lift a stone... and you will find me. "

That is very very prophetic and sounds like the true Jesus. Now I am not saying that Judas was not a sinner who killed his Lord, I am just saying that statement sounds like the true Jesus as I would picture him. So for all of you who say you have to go to church to praise him, you have to pay tithes of 10% or you are an abomination to God, you have to try and convert people and tell them to go to Hell, you are nothing but dense.

Tithing is appropriate at times because churches need financial support, but no person should be forced to tithe based on the grounds they are going to Hell. What if you cannot afford it? Yeah, God would not want you to die for his church, God would want you to just be a good person and survive, and learn from life, and find a way to right the wrongs you have made in your life - whether that be through prayer or good deeds, or both.

Jesus was a good man, prophet from that portion of his life, prophet from his wisdom. If you are a Christian, preach the peace he would want you to, not this illogical seed of hate that you are spreading throughout the world that everyone goes to Hell who does not adhere to "The Church." Whether it be with the Vatican (Sometimes called "The Church") or with just a regular church. You know where I am coming from.

Peace out to everyone and their religion, and their God. Let everyone believe what they wish to, but not impose it on others nor hate thy brethren.

Sign, GuitarAnatomy.

...boy, still amazing how these threads pop up & propagate no?
Are we gonna have to have a "Bandmix.Jesus.com?

Lmao. Yeah, we are going to have to just start a "Bandmix.Religiousarguments.com," I think that will work, lol.

Peace, GuitarAnatomy.

and just to set the record straight, the powers behind the Crusades, the Inquisitions etc, were not acting on anything resembling the message of the Gospel.

I've been in more than one discussion with non Christians, who wanted to throw those in my face as a way to discredit the Church: and while these events were sad chapters in the history of "the church"(small c), again, they were not in the ballpark theologically.

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boy, still amazing how these threads pop up & propagate no?
Are we gonna have to have a "Bandmix.Jesus.com?

That's been my point. I'll use my old car manual analogy. I think I used it here in another thread. If I come to your house with a Chevy haynes manual to work on your Toyota is it the Chevy manuals fault (which I didn't follow) or my fault that things don't pan out for your toyota repairs. I didn't get the instructions from the Chevy manual. They didn't get the Crusade instructions from the bible either.

Read It Again: Jeasus was about love saving our sorry asses from hell.
The TRUTH is BELIEVE OR BURN ! GOD WILL BE THE JUDGE OF OUR SOUL NOT ME OR ANY OTHER HUMAN. WE CHRISTIANS WHO "GET IT" DONT WANT YOU TO BURN BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU! THEREFORE WE MUST SPEAK OUT. WE ARE NOT JUDGING YOU, WE ARE ONLY TRYING TO SHARE THE LIGHT WE HAVE FOUND. YET OUR ABILITY TO DO SO IS HAMPERED BY OUR OWN WEAKNESSES AND BY ALLTHE POWERS OF SATIN. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ONE GOD. I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS ONE GOD. I KNOW THERE IS ONE GOD. I SPEAK TO HIM AND HE TO ME VIA THE HOLY SPIRIT. IF YOU THINK THAT MAKES ME PSYCOTIC YOU ARE NOT ALONE. THAT IS WHY THE ORIGINAL POST QUESTION ANSWER IS YES!!! WE WILL SPEAK OUT IN OUR ROCK MUSIC AND IN OUR DAILY LIVES! BEING A CHRISTIAN DOES NOT MAKE ME FREE OF SIN IT MAKES ME FORGIVIN. I AM NOT ANGRY I AM IN PAIN FOR MYSELF AND FOR ALL OF HUMANITY. YET AS AN AMERICAN I WOULD FIGHT FOR AND DIE FOR YOUR RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT.
GOD FAMILY LIBERTY AND COUNTRY
(BLOOD CHILLING REBLE YELL WITH MY FIST IN THE AIR)

Read It Again: Jeasus was about love saving our sorry asses from hell.
The TRUTH is BELIEVE OR BURN ! GOD WILL BE THE JUDGE OF OUR SOUL NOT ME OR ANY OTHER HUMAN. WE CHRISTIANS WHO "GET IT" DONT WANT YOU TO BURN BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU! THEREFORE WE MUST SPEAK OUT. WE ARE NOT JUDGING YOU, WE ARE ONLY TRYING TO SHARE THE LIGHT WE HAVE FOUND. YET OUR ABILITY TO DO SO IS HAMPERED BY OUR OWN WEAKNESSES AND BY ALLTHE POWERS OF SATIN. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ONE GOD. I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS ONE GOD. I KNOW THERE IS ONE GOD. I SPEAK TO HIM AND HE TO ME VIA THE HOLY SPIRIT. IF YOU THINK THAT MAKES ME PSYCOTIC YOU ARE NOT ALONE. THAT IS WHY THE ORIGINAL POST QUESTION ANSWER IS YES!!! WE WILL SPEAK OUT IN OUR ROCK MUSIC AND IN OUR DAILY LIVES! BEING A CHRISTIAN DOES NOT MAKE ME FREE OF SIN IT MAKES ME FORGIVIN. I AM NOT ANGRY I AM IN PAIN FOR MYSELF AND FOR ALL OF HUMANITY. YET AS AN AMERICAN I WOULD FIGHT FOR AND DIE FOR YOUR RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT.
GOD FAMILY LIBERTY AND COUNTRY
(BLOOD CHILLING REBLE YELL WITH MY FIST IN THE AIR)

Your intentions may be honorable. Your technique is not. Try not yelling. You will annoy people away from the word. If you notice most of my posts in the religious threads simply quote the scripture.