General Music Chat

JimmyD - I'm kind of surprised you bought into the 'Warming' nonsense.

You are old enough to remember "Global Cooling." That was the bullshit they were peddling in the seventies.

that is the reason you can't open a window in a modern office building. The new ice age - remember?

And Paul Ehrlich's 'mass starvation by 1980?'

How'd that turn out?

Now the Russians, who to my amazement, seem to have more cred these days than we do, are back to cooling.

But what if, just what if, climate works the way it works, and we get no real say in it?


Talbot

I don't "buy into" facts. They are just that, facts. Last year was the warmest year on record. Perhaps you missed the part where I said it was debatable whether or not humans have anything to do with it. But the facts remain. You cannot change facts by bringing other unrelated facts into the argument. And even if we don't have any direct effect on global temperature, reducing greenhouse gasses and pollution is a good thing.

I don't "buy into" facts. They are just that, facts. Last year was the warmest year on record. Perhaps you missed the part where I said it was debatable whether or not humans have anything to do with it. But the facts remain. You cannot change facts by bringing other unrelated facts into the argument. And even if we don't have any direct effect on global temperature, reducing greenhouse gasses and pollution is a good thing.

Tell that to China.
I notice you made no comment about the arbitrary non accountable airline tax on on international flights.

You don't buy into facts,,, you buy into any agenda that doesn't directly affect you.
How about this one? Please use your intellect to understand this. I'm going to keep it simple and it has to do with low emission heating oil and the amount of CO2 being produced by an oil burner.
In NY we are required to sell LOW SULFER HEATING OIL. This is to SAVE the environment. OK thats good right? Yes except,,, Now these boilers are not burning the same amount of oil to produce the same amount of heat.

The end result is they are running much longer, using more oil, and PRODUCING far more CO2 emissions that every one is screaming, is the cause of global warming. I can prove this ,I have major documentation on many customers and their heating systems and their increased oil consumption.

Please don't tell me about global warming,,, all you tree hugging, save the planet people just added to the problem.

Sorry Glenny you are a big part of the problem. Oil-burning furnaces are relics of the past. Natural gas should be the only fuel used to heat homes and businesses in the U.S. We have more natural gas in our continent than anywhere else on earth. I would wager that the oil your customers are using is imported. So stop with your sanctimonious posturing, you just look ridiculous.

Boys boys, facts are important. It is also important to give the whole facts and not leave out the important parts. 2012 was the warmest year in the USA during our short 150 year instrumental record. A significant weather event similar to other very warm years like 1998 and 1934. But the USA is only 2% of the globe so don't confuse local weather records with global climate change.

Globally 2012 was warm as expected as we emerge from the LIA and also contribute to that warming with CO2 but only the 10th warmest out of the last 30 yrs. Globally we are still about 2C below the "Climate Optimum" which occurred around 3000 BC and was characterized by thriving plant, animal, and human populations. This was the time of the Egyptian and Mayan pyramids and seas were much higher than today.

A little perspective is also important so we don't miss the plot:
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7x.html

Boys boys, facts are important. It is also important to give the whole facts and not leave out the important parts. 2012 was the warmest year in the USA during our short 150 year instrumental record. A significant weather event similar to other very warm years like 1998 and 1934. But the USA is only 2% of the globe so don't confuse local weather records with global climate change.

Globally 2012 was warm as expected as we emerge from the LIA and also contribute to that warming with CO2 but only the 10th warmest out of the last 30 yrs. Globally we are still about 2C below the "Climate Optimum" which occurred around 8000 BC and was characterized by thriving plant, animal, and human populations.

A little perspective is also important so we don't miss the plot:
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7x.html

Very well stated Johnny. Its like I said before...Some folks go on and on about the global climate thing, cause frankly , they haven't got anything real to contribute. Its easy to pay lip service and drop buzzwords and phrases (cause apparently that's the cool thing to do...). Being 'cool" is more important to these greenie-weenie knuckleheads than actually sustaining perspective... The irony being, its much 'cooler' to sustain perspective...

Anybody wanna step up and give away their SUVs...

I didn't think so.

Each of the last 12 years has been one of the 14 warmest global average temperatures on record. Referring to people as "greenie weenies" negates any argument you could make, and confirms your stupidity. Just stick to the facts and leave your shallow opinion out of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument ... ure_record

Each of the last 12 years has been one of the 14 warmest global average temperatures on record. Referring to people as "greenie weenies" negates any argument you could make, and confirms your stupidity. Just stick to the facts and leave your shallow opinion out of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument ... ure_record

Greenie Weenie!

Yes temps and trends are important:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst ... 2014/trend

Interesting site Johnny, thanks.

Each of the last 12 years has been one of the 14 warmest global average temperatures on record.

Yeah, so? And your point is...?


Referring to people as "greenie weenies" negates any argument you could make, and confirms your stupidity. Just stick to the facts and leave your shallow opinion out of it.

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Jimmy, 'your' comment about my comment simply re-affirms the impact that lead-poisoning has had on our environment.

Do you really,honestly, believe that 11 out of 4 billion...years is worth pointing out. You are boring everybody here with useless information. Asserting 'your' analysis based on that information does NOT make it any more useful. Try maintaining perspective..aka Get real,,,

Yes I'm sure those pesky facts are boring to you, just as your weak attempts at humor and ridicule are boring to me. The reason the last 12 years is statistically important is because they all occurred in succession. If temperature variation was truly random you would not expect to see this. Again, it is not clear that humans are responsible for the increases, but rising amounts of CO2 have been correlated with this data, and it's generally assumed that man is responsible for higher levels of this pollutant. There are other factors at play; the sun is getting hotter, the ozone layer thinner, and more radiation is striking the earth. But we cannot afford to take chances; CO2 emissions must be reduced. Whether you believe this or not makes no difference to me.

Mars is also warming. Damn, that pollution travels a long way.
Last, I checked it has been effing COLD this winter.

I do believe "climate change" is occurring, but not necessarily "warming" or "cooling".
Perhaps the climate zones are changing; maybe jersey becomes the new equator?

Well the sun is getting hotter so naturally all planets would have an increased average global temperature. But if you want to see what the earth could look like someday, look at our sister planet Venus. Out of control greenhouse effect caused by unchecked CO2. Those Venusians must be driving old clunkers.

Yes I'm sure those pesky facts are boring to you, just as your weak attempts at humor and ridicule are boring to me. The reason the last 12 years is statistically important is because they all occurred in succession. If temperature variation was truly random you would not expect to see this. Again, it is not clear that humans are responsible for the increases, but rising amounts of CO2 have been correlated with this data, and it's generally assumed that man is responsible for higher levels of this pollutant. There are other factors at play; the sun is getting hotter, the ozone layer thinner, and more radiation is striking the earth. But we cannot afford to take chances; CO2 emissions must be reduced. Whether you believe this or not makes no difference to me.

Then simply stop breathing Jimmy. That would immediately reduce co2 emissions and the whole world will be grateful......