General Music Chat

WOW, OUCH,,, I missed that one. Thanks J7!

Personally, I think Nazi is the only word to best describe this regime. All their tactics come right from Hitlers play book for the most part. The class against class, the race against race, the conservatives against the liberals and the reverse, and anything else that can divide. Taking away freedom bill at a time word at a time, creating poverty to control the working class, and what else? This IS Hitlers gun law. It is to take away the very purpose of the second. That article was great in using Hitlers gun control rules. Funny just like the one headed this way.

Gosh, I wonder what else they might have planned after they get America disarmed, for the most part. Gosh, I wonder what they will do. Nothing to be concerned about I am sure, or almost sure, well maybe not sure in the least.

I'm sure no narcissistic egocentric bunch of power crazed little dictators would have any plans for America on hand for that time.

Personally, I think Nazi is the only word to best describe this regime. All their tactics come right from Hitlers play book for the most part. The class against class, the race against race, the conservatives against the liberals and the reverse, and anything else that can divide. Taking away freedom bill at a time word at a time, creating poverty to control the working class, and what else?

Oh, I'm sorry.
I was just having a Dubya Shrub & Dickhead Cheney flashback, there.
THIS regime?
I think we stepped through the looking glass back in 2000, Alice, and still haven't found our way out of Wonderland!

not to be Buzz Killington, but anyone can SAY that statistics exist, but whether or not there's any truth to them is a whole other point, isn't it? If you are going to debate using such stark "facts" , then you should provide cites to those statistics so they can be debated fairly.

Here's mine:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-co ... australia/

FULL ANSWER

The e-mail says that "[i]t has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms." Actually, it’s been 13 years since Australian gun law was originally changed. In 1996, the government banned some types of guns, instituted a buyback program and imposed stricter licensing and registration requirements. Gun ownership rates in Australia declined from 7 percent to 5 percent. Another law in 2002 tightened restrictions a bit more, restricting caliber, barrel length and capacity for sport shooting handguns.

Have murders increased since the gun law change, as claimed? Actually, Australian crime statistics show a marked decrease in homicides since the gun law change. According to the Australian Institute of Criminology, a government agency, the number of homicides in Australia did increase slightly in 1997 and peaked in 1999, but has since declined to the lowest number on record in 2007, the most recent year for which official figures are available.

Here's another:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

.the number of victims of homicide has been in decline since 1996. In 1996, there were 354 victims of homicide in Australia compared with 260 in 2010. This is a decrease of 27 percent." And furthermore, "The proportion of homicide victims killed by offenders using firearms in 2009–10 represented a decrease of 18 percentage points from the peak of 31 percent in 1995–96 (the year in which the Port Arthur massacre occurred with the death of 35 people, which subsequently led to the introduction of stringent firearms legislation)." [3]
Firearm suicides have fallen from about 22% of all suicides in 1992[26] to 7% of all suicides in 2005.[27] Immediately following the Buyback there was a fall in firearm suicides which was more than offset by a 10% increase in total suicides in 1997 and 1998. There were concerted efforts in suicide prevention from this time and in subsequent years the total suicide rate resumed its decline.

There are lies..then there are 'damn' lies...and then there are statistics...

I often wonder what the ultimate goal or objective of gun control is. Do gun control advocates honestly promote this for the purpose of saving innocent lives? Are you sure?

If saving innocent lives is truly the goal, shouldn't we focus our efforts a little higher up the mortality ladder. It seems to me that a lot more innocent lives could be saved by starting at the top and working down... unless saving innocent lives is not really the goal. Hmmmmm...

http://home.epix.net/~lsqt/deaths.html
http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

But a true forward thinking is also thinking about all the unnecessary life!

All citizens of earth should only have 2 offspring per person, per life. No couple needs more than that, it's sheer greed and pride, and destructive to the world. We need to cull the herd, period. I'd honestly say that 1Bil people is more than enough. Then we can work on society's ills.

Wow! Ouch! And who decides which lives are "unnecessary" Kramer? Death panels? Anyone over 30? Musicians? Clearly you and Mao would have a lot to talk about. Some Chinese women still abandon infant girls to die in a field so they can have a single male child instead. This is a great argument against gun control Kramer. Just turn em all loose and let em shoot it out. Population problem solved and may the best shooters survive?

Maybe not the best plan.

let the population decrease naturally simply by slowing down our reproduction. It's called self-control and birth control. More people should practice both.

Nowhere did I say a single person needed to be "killed" but thanks for twisting it up to mean that, it really helps with keeping discussions civil

Coming from a guy that said the constitution is an outdated document and should be destroyed.

No I didn't say that. I will disregard the rest of your lies as I'm not taking the time to answer each one, you aren't worth it.

But I said that we should re-write the constitution, not destroy it. If you had anything past a 2nd grade education, you would understand the difference. You are a liar or an incredible idiot, take your pick.

I often wonder what the ultimate goal or objective of gun control is. Do gun control advocates honestly promote this for the purpose of saving innocent lives? Are you sure?

If saving innocent lives is truly the goal, shouldn't we focus our efforts a little higher up the mortality ladder. It seems to me that a lot more innocent lives could be saved by starting at the top and working down... unless saving innocent lives is not really the goal. Hmmmmm...

http://home.epix.net/~lsqt/deaths.html
http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

But a true forward thinking is also thinking about all the unnecessary life!

All citizens of earth should only have 2 offspring per person, per life. No couple needs more than that, it's sheer greed and pride, and destructive to the world. We need to cull the herd, period. I'd honestly say that 1Bil people is more than enough. Then we can work on society's ills.

Wow! Ouch! And who decides which lives are "unnecessary" Kramer? Death panels? Anyone over 30? Musicians? Clearly you and Mao would have a lot to talk about. Some Chinese women still abandon infant girls to die in a field so they can have a single male child instead. This is a great argument against gun control Kramer. Just turn em all loose and let em shoot it out. Population problem solved and may the best shooters survive?

Maybe not the best plan.

let the population decrease naturally simply by slowing down our reproduction. It's called self-control and birth control. More people should practice both.

Nowhere did I say a single person needed to be "killed" but thanks for twisting it up to mean that, it really helps with keeping discussions civil

No twisting involved Kramer. That may have been what you meant but it's not what you said. I think it is you who is doing the twisting now. These are your words:

"But a true forward thinking is also thinking about all the unnecessary life! All citizens of earth should only have 2 offspring per person, per life. No couple needs more than that, it's sheer greed and pride, and destructive to the world. We need to cull the herd, period"

Here is the definition of your words:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cull

So are you now suggesting that "cull the herd" means something else or you just don't really understand the words you write?? Perhaps you should consider choosing your words more carefully so you are not misunderstood.

well I meant cull the herd, naturally. Nowhere else was it suggested that we kill anyone. My bad for using a questionable word. So my point has been made and now confirmed. Am I still Mao, for suggesting population control?

well I meant cull the herd, naturally. Nowhere else was it suggested that we kill anyone. My bad for using a questionable word. So my point has been made and now confirmed. Am I still Mao, for suggesting population control?

I guess we are still at an impasse. "Cull" means to remove from a population. I don't understand how to do that without killing.

"Cull: to reduce or control the size of (as a herd) by removal (as by hunting) of especially weaker animals; also : to hunt or kill (animals) as a means of population control"

Encouraging birth control is not culling. You and I agree that encouraging birth control in unsustainable cultures is a good thing. In most capitalist countries this is already being done. The rare exception in the US is within Catholic and Muslim populations. A good Muslim wife is still encouraged to have a dozen children.

The Muslim population is growing exponentially worldwide while African Americans are moving rapidly towards extinction through the use of serial abortion. How do we solve this?

Encouraging birth control is not culling. You and I agree that encouraging birth control in unsustainable cultures is a good thing. In most capitalist countries this is already being done. The rare exception in the US is within Catholic and Muslim populations. A good Muslim wife is still encouraged to have a dozen children.

As a Christian I won't even address this Socialist Marxist view of life means nothing sentiment. Other than to disagree completely.

You and I agree that encouraging birth control in unsustainable cultures is a good thing. In most capitalist countries this is already being done. The rare exception in the US is within Catholic and Muslim populations. A good Muslim wife is still encouraged to have a dozen children.

The Muslim population is growing exponentially worldwide while African Americans are moving rapidly towards extinction through the use of serial abortion. How do we solve this?

Well, we're getting somewhere then.

I don't know HOW to 'encourage' birth control. I guess capitalists could have to reason that any kids past 2 are a higher cost to society, therefore people should have to pay escalating taxes per child after two? I think that's sort of what Japan does, but I'm not certain.

Personally, I think Nazi is the only word to best describe this regime. All their tactics come right from Hitlers play book for the most part. The class against class, the race against race, the conservatives against the liberals and the reverse, and anything else that can divide. Taking away freedom bill at a time word at a time, creating poverty to control the working class, and what else? This IS Hitlers gun law. It is to take away the very purpose of the second. That article was great in using Hitlers gun control rules. Funny just like the one headed this way.

Gosh, I wonder what else they might have planned after they get America disarmed, for the most part. Gosh, I wonder what they will do. Nothing to be concerned about I am sure, or almost sure, well maybe not sure in the least.

I'm sure no narcissistic egocentric bunch of power crazed little dictators would have any plans for America on hand for that time.

Slacker, are you entirely positive that the class war is being orchestrated by others and not as simple as one class simply deciding to "put down" the other? All politics aside, my personal experiences with people sorely shout that there's a class of people in this country who clearly think they are "above" everyone else, and treating them as such. With wealth and power, that treatment compounds and becomes a very real "war" in of itself. Something to at least think about.

Personally, I think Nazi is the only word to best describe this regime. All their tactics come right from Hitlers play book for the most part. The class against class, the race against race, the conservatives against the liberals and the reverse, and anything else that can divide. Taking away freedom bill at a time word at a time, creating poverty to control the working class, and what else? This IS Hitlers gun law. It is to take away the very purpose of the second. That article was great in using Hitlers gun control rules. Funny just like the one headed this way.

Gosh, I wonder what else they might have planned after they get America disarmed, for the most part. Gosh, I wonder what they will do. Nothing to be concerned about I am sure, or almost sure, well maybe not sure in the least.

I'm sure no narcissistic egocentric bunch of power crazed little dictators would have any plans for America on hand for that time.

Slacker, are you entirely positive that the class war is being orchestrated by others and not as simple as one class simply deciding to "put down" the other? All politics aside, my personal experiences with people sorely shout that there's a class of people in this country who clearly think they are "above" everyone else, and treating them as such. With wealth and power, that treatment compounds and becomes a very real "war" in of itself. Something to at least think about.

I hate to break it to you Kramer but there is ALWAYS going to be a class of people that think they are better than everyone else. Its just human nature dude. As far as you wanting to force other people to give up their riches to help folks that haven't earned it and Force people to have only 2 children, I'm thinking you should go try living in China because thats the way it is over there! When you get there just ask all them folks that are forced to live in work dorms. work 16 hrs. a day 7 days a week 365 how they like this little fantasy and perfect world you are looking at through your rose colored glasses. I am sorry about your circumstances. I can't imagine living one day walking in your shoes. Having said that WRONG is WRONG and STEALING other folks money is IMO WRONG and there aint no 2 ways about it! We all have our story brother.

..."culling" does not really occur "naturally"

.... "Re-writing" is replacing ... ie doing away with.

... SlowKill "encourages" Birth Control

... Good Post Haley with direct and basic perspective.

... for Slacker

"As soon as we lose the moral basis, we cease to be

religious. There is no such thing as religion over-riding

morality. Man, for instance, can not be untruthful, cruel

or incontinent and claim to have God on his side."

Gandhi

You and I agree that encouraging birth control in unsustainable cultures is a good thing. In most capitalist countries this is already being done. The rare exception in the US is within Catholic and Muslim populations. A good Muslim wife is still encouraged to have a dozen children.

The Muslim population is growing exponentially worldwide while African Americans are moving rapidly towards extinction through the use of serial abortion. How do we solve this?

Well, we're getting somewhere then.

I don't know HOW to 'encourage' birth control. I guess capitalists could have to reason that any kids past 2 are a higher cost to society, therefore people should have to pay escalating taxes per child after two? I think that's sort of what Japan does, but I'm not certain.

Fertility rates are the highest in cultures that consider many children as wealth... Primarily Africa and the Middle East. Fertility rates in the US are essentially static at 2.04. How do we convince women in Burkina Faso or Somalia that having only 2 children is in their best interest?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_so ... ility_rate