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Australian Gun Law Update
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new
law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically
upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed
that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....' You
won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or
members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control
laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!
Will you be one of the sheep to turn yours in?
WHY? You will need it.

...Yod I hope this finds you well and happy. This is a most excellent Post and I commend you for it. This needs to get out there to everyone in the USA a.s.a.p. We may disagree on some issues but this is one that we most definately do agree upon. These kind of facts and stats are unassailable.

I wish you well in this 2013 and all it will be bringing with it. As always you are welcome at my fire anytime. Good Luck to you ... a man who walks the path of his speech.

Two groups of people support the abolishing of guns.

The brain dead and those who wish to enslave them.

Two groups of people support the abolishing of guns.

The brain dead and those who wish to enslave them.

Exactly.

Don't believe the lies as related to "control" either.
The often stated goal for over twenty years is total confiscation.

I think the direct result of these latest massacres will be limiting the size of ammo clips and not much else. 6-10 rounds will be the new limit.

“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party” - Mao Tse Tung (A dictator terrorist greatly admired by BO and other progressives I might add.)

How about a slight change since the Communist party members now refer to themseolves as "Progressives"


“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The " progressive members of government" must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the progressive party or its members"”
- Slacker G

I think the direct result of these latest massacres will be limiting the size of ammo clips and not much else. 6-10 rounds will be the new limit.

Outside of San Francisco, this is a losing issue for the Democrats and I think they are starting to realize it. This is why they are doing it so early before the mid-terms.

But I hope they try, because it will either end the Democrat Party or it will start a real revolution. I hate to see the violence that will come from it but as Jefferson said, "Freedom is a tree watered by the blood of revolution" (paraphrasing)





Here's an interesting article:


Do you know that more people are killed by hammers and clubs than by rifles?



http://nation.foxnews.com/gun-rights/20 ... ear-rifles

...Yod I hope this finds you well and happy. This is a most excellent Post and I commend you for it. This needs to get out there to everyone in the USA a.s.a.p. We may disagree on some issues but this is one that we most definately do agree upon. These kind of facts and stats are unassailable.

I wish you well in this 2013 and all it will be bringing with it. As always you are welcome at my fire anytime. Good Luck to you ... a man who walks the path of his speech.

I had to drop out of the other thread. It was not helpful to argue with you in public, so I'll come do it by your fire next week. How do I find you in the little town of Lukeville?


Guys....if I disappear after next week, you'll all know that Vampier is a serial killer.

LOL

Seriously....someone notice IF I don't make it back, ok?





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...Yod ... that is truly exciting. I will send you an email on yours listed within your Profile. It would be wonderful to meet you and to speak ... of anything. I think most here breathe a sigh of relief when we ceased our interchanges. But I am very pleased it did not end our friendship.

not to be Buzz Killington, but anyone can SAY that statistics exist, but whether or not there's any truth to them is a whole other point, isn't it? If you are going to debate using such stark "facts" , then you should provide cites to those statistics so they can be debated fairly.

Here's mine:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-co ... australia/

FULL ANSWER

The e-mail says that "[i]t has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms." Actually, it’s been 13 years since Australian gun law was originally changed. In 1996, the government banned some types of guns, instituted a buyback program and imposed stricter licensing and registration requirements. Gun ownership rates in Australia declined from 7 percent to 5 percent. Another law in 2002 tightened restrictions a bit more, restricting caliber, barrel length and capacity for sport shooting handguns.

Have murders increased since the gun law change, as claimed? Actually, Australian crime statistics show a marked decrease in homicides since the gun law change. According to the Australian Institute of Criminology, a government agency, the number of homicides in Australia did increase slightly in 1997 and peaked in 1999, but has since declined to the lowest number on record in 2007, the most recent year for which official figures are available.

Here's another:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

.the number of victims of homicide has been in decline since 1996. In 1996, there were 354 victims of homicide in Australia compared with 260 in 2010. This is a decrease of 27 percent." And furthermore, "The proportion of homicide victims killed by offenders using firearms in 2009–10 represented a decrease of 18 percentage points from the peak of 31 percent in 1995–96 (the year in which the Port Arthur massacre occurred with the death of 35 people, which subsequently led to the introduction of stringent firearms legislation)." [3]
Firearm suicides have fallen from about 22% of all suicides in 1992[26] to 7% of all suicides in 2005.[27] Immediately following the Buyback there was a fall in firearm suicides which was more than offset by a 10% increase in total suicides in 1997 and 1998. There were concerted efforts in suicide prevention from this time and in subsequent years the total suicide rate resumed its decline.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-2 ... revolution

A good read. Here are a couple of paragraphs.

Feinstein’s bill is unprecedented in the history of this country, and requires widespread enforcement in every town and hamlet in order to be effective. The way in which it is designed makes a violent response from the public inevitable. It reaches far beyond the Assault Weapons Ban of the 1990’s, calling for the creation of a massive database of almost all gun owners in the United States. This database will require citizens to submit their EXISTING firearms to cataloging, and the owners to be filed and fingerprinted like criminals.

The bill will ban the outright the sale, manufacture, and transfer of at least 120 models of firearms (which have not yet been named). It will ban the manufacture and sale of most if not all semi-automatic rifles and the bill specifically targets handguns as well. Large capacity mags and mag fed weapons will essentially disappear from gun stores. Though, those guns designated as “hunting rifles” will be exempt (for now).

Many Americans, including myself, will not be strolling into the local Fusion Center to register our weapons. Why? Because gun registration reeks of fascism! Some might call this “cliche”, but let’s just examine the guidelines of the Nazi Gun Registration Program of 1938:

- Classified guns for "sporting purposes"

- All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.

- Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law (meaning officials could have guns, citizens could not).

- Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.

- The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.

- Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.

And guess what happens next?

Just think how much worse the crime rate would have been if they didn't remove all those guns.

not to be Buzz Killington, but anyone can SAY that statistics exist, but whether or not there's any truth to them is a whole other point, isn't it? If you are going to debate using such stark "facts" , then you should provide cites to those statistics so they can be debated fairly.

Here's mine:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-co ... australia/

FULL ANSWER

The e-mail says that "[i]t has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms." Actually, it’s been 13 years since Australian gun law was originally changed. In 1996, the government banned some types of guns, instituted a buyback program and imposed stricter licensing and registration requirements. Gun ownership rates in Australia declined from 7 percent to 5 percent. Another law in 2002 tightened restrictions a bit more, restricting caliber, barrel length and capacity for sport shooting handguns.

Have murders increased since the gun law change, as claimed? Actually, Australian crime statistics show a marked decrease in homicides since the gun law change. According to the Australian Institute of Criminology, a government agency, the number of homicides in Australia did increase slightly in 1997 and peaked in 1999, but has since declined to the lowest number on record in 2007, the most recent year for which official figures are available.

Here's another:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

.the number of victims of homicide has been in decline since 1996. In 1996, there were 354 victims of homicide in Australia compared with 260 in 2010. This is a decrease of 27 percent." And furthermore, "The proportion of homicide victims killed by offenders using firearms in 2009–10 represented a decrease of 18 percentage points from the peak of 31 percent in 1995–96 (the year in which the Port Arthur massacre occurred with the death of 35 people, which subsequently led to the introduction of stringent firearms legislation)." [3]
Firearm suicides have fallen from about 22% of all suicides in 1992[26] to 7% of all suicides in 2005.[27] Immediately following the Buyback there was a fall in firearm suicides which was more than offset by a 10% increase in total suicides in 1997 and 1998. There were concerted efforts in suicide prevention from this time and in subsequent years the total suicide rate resumed its decline.

KRAMER,,, JUST MOVE TO AUSTRALIA! You are the one complaining about our constitution and our gun laws, and not enough redistribution of wealth and none of AMERICA makes you happy.

I'm not going to sit here and insult the piss out of you,, NOT WORTH IT! BUT,,, if you are that dissatisfied with America,,,, then EMIGRATE.

PS. It is not easy to get Australian citizenship,,, Probably more difficult than legally entering THE GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

Now go and start your usual Diatribe with a personal attack on me.

What are you waiting for,,, Either move or insult me! OR do what you always do,,, Back down and don't respond at all!!!!!