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Free energy would be a good start but would not solve all issues. The real question is, shouldn't people who want more in life and are willing to work harder than someone else be able to achieve these goals? If everyone is given all necessities what is the impetus to work?

Free energy would be a good start but would not solve all issues. The real question is, shouldn't people who want more in life and are willing to work harder than someone else be able to achieve these goals? If everyone is given all necessities what is the impetus to work?

And who is going to pay for this free energy? The government? They don't have any money. Their money comes from the working class. The energy most certainly shall not be free for those who actually work for a living.

Is the government going to print the money to pay for this free energy? Again that robs the working of the value of their dollar.

Printing money is theft.

Who sis going to haul the fuel for free? Who is going to run these "free" energy facilities? Who is going to pat for distributing this free energy? Spoken like a true Pollyanna. Truly words without thought or substance. Lesson one: Nothing in this world is free.

If it is untenable on a small scale, what makes you think it would work on a larger scale?

Here is one of the key problems identified by economist James Buchanan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAbDrP7whqw

Capitalism AND communism are both pretty successful on a small scale.
But, when economics becomes more abstract, less tangible, all sorts of problems creep in.
It is a fundamental detachment from the reality of everyone's actions that create so much misery for so many people.

BTW, James Buchanan won a nobel prize for pointing out that politicians are corruptible? DUH! NO SH!T!

We've become a nation of Ferengis. Proof? They tried to charge me a consult fee to explain why I dont qualify for a Nobel.

Uhhm... You don't understand the concept of free energy.

Free energy would be a good start but would not solve all issues. The real question is, shouldn't people who want more in life and are willing to work harder than someone else be able to achieve these goals? If everyone is given all necessities what is the impetus to work?

Amen brutha!

The "free energy" concept is not practical nor possible, but I appreciate that you realize the need for people to work and keep what they've earned.

I respect you even though we disagree on a lot of things. You don't swallow the party line, even if they are influencing your thoughts too much, imo.


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I like that this Statist comes with the target already marked!

Free energy would be a good start but would not solve all issues. The real question is, shouldn't people who want more in life and are willing to work harder than someone else be able to achieve these goals? If everyone is given all necessities what is the impetus to work?

"I think technology will save us. And I think our own goodness will save us, basic human decency."..."Money is a terrible thing. Why do people work at jobs in Star Trek? Why does someone become a baker? Because the family is going to starve to death? No. People become bakers because certain people love the smell of things baking and certain people take pride--we all have a little pride--in something. 'Let me give this to you because it's delicious and you will love it, and I made it, and this is my recipe'. All things will be taken care of."~~Gene Roddenberry (creator of Star Trek) "The Last Conversation"

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

"There IS such a thing as a free lunch. You just have to offer it." - Kingturtle

I like that this Statist comes with the target already marked!

Why does opposing corporate tyranny make someone a statist?

Because the reality is that one either trusts people to make the right decision (based on self-interest) or they trust in the state to force it upon them.

Corporations are made of lot of people whose income depends on customers buying their product. Their decisions are made by a board of directors and mistakes are quite often made. Make enough mistakes and there is no corporation left. The ones who last are in business to make money for their investors, not to fulfill some stupid ideological agenda.

I don't know of a single corporation who exists to do any of the crap this Statist imagines. None of them are out to disposses people or nature. Yes, this can be a result if they operate outside of accountability, but most corporations are accountable to their stock-holders, who wouldn't approve of criminal or unethical behavior. Thus, ending the corporation if they don't conform. I promise you that every bad corporation is getting cover from a politician...and the only opposition you hear is from politicians who represent a different corporation. So any time you hear a politician complaining about corporations it is either a shake-down (extortion) or their own supporting corporation wants a piece of that pie.

For every "bad" example of a corporation, I can show you 5,000 politicians who would be much worse, if given the chance to run a company. For example, all the "green party" politicians simply represent corporations selling "green party" products and solutions (that don't actually work most of the time)

You want to end bad corporations? End politicians.










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Because the reality is that one either trusts people to make the right decision (based on self-interest) or they trust in the state to force it upon them.

Corporations are made of lot of people whose income depends on customers buying their product. Their decisions are made by a board of directors and mistakes are quite often made. Make enough mistakes and there is no corporation left. The ones who last are in business to make money for their investors, not to fulfill some stupid ideological agenda.

I don't know of a single corporation who exists to do any of the crap this Statist imagines. None of them are out to disposses people or nature. Yes, this can be a result if they operate outside of accountability, but most corporations are accountable to their stock-holders, who wouldn't approve of criminal or unethical behavior. Thus, ending the corporation if they don't conform. I promise you that every bad corporation is getting cover from a politician...and the only opposition you hear is from politicians who represent a different corporation. So any time you hear a politician complaining about corporations it is either a shake-down (extortion) or their own supporting corporation wants a piece of that pie.

For every "bad" example of a corporation, I can show you 5,000 politicians who would be much worse, if given the chance to run a company. For example, all the "green party" politicians simply represent corporations selling "green party" products and solutions (that don't actually work most of the time)

You want to end bad corporations? End politicians.

You repeat the propaganda well.

Now, go buy some stock and try to get your company to behave ethically.
You can't do it.

You can sell your stock.

If you buy a controlling percentage you may influence company policy.

But, BY LAW a corporation's only obligation is to make a profit for its shareholders.

Everything else is considered an "externality", someone else's problem.

There is a very good documentary "The Corporation", which goes into all this in more detail.
I recommend watching it.

Ultimately I think people clearly understand what is in their best interest and they vote with their feet. Socialist/Marxist/communist countries must build fences in order to keep masses of people in. Countries based on capitalism must build fences to keep masses of people out. It really is that simple.

Ultimately I think people clearly understand what is in their best interest and they vote with their feet. Socialist/Marxist/communist countries must build fences in order to keep masses of people in. Countries based on capitalism must build fences to keep masses of people out. It really is that simple.

SHIIT,,, Another damn good smart musician,,, I thought I was the only one left.

Ultimately I think people clearly understand what is in their best interest and they vote with their feet. Socialist/Marxist/communist countries must build fences in order to keep masses of people in. Countries based on capitalism must build fences to keep masses of people out. It really is that simple.

I always have said that Wisdom is the simple truth that you notice first then often disregard because of its simplicity.

But, BY LAW a corporation's only obligation is to make a profit for its shareholders.

Everything else is considered an "externality", someone else's problem.

There is a very good documentary "The Corporation", which goes into all this in more detail.
I recommend watching it.

I know abuses happen, but corporations (in America) can not produce tyranny nor take my money legally. We should be more upset with how America is being represented in foreign countries by corporations and by our government. But I'll put up with pimples of capitalism because they can be corrected.

Not so with the State that becomes a tyranny. That genie doesn't go back into the bottle once it's out. We are popping the top on this in America right now.

I pray that those people with the bottle opener have the sense to change their minds before the blood starts flowing.

But, BY LAW a corporation's only obligation is to make a profit for its shareholders.

Everything else is considered an "externality", someone else's problem.

There is a very good documentary "The Corporation", which goes into all this in more detail.
I recommend watching it.

I know abuses happen, but corporations (in America) can not produce tyranny nor take my money legally. We should be more upset with how America is being represented in foreign countries by corporations and by our government. But I'll put up with pimples of capitalism because they can be corrected.

Not so with the State that becomes a tyranny. That genie doesn't go back into the bottle once it's out. We are popping the top on this in America right now.

I pray that those people with the bottle opener have the sense to change their minds before the blood starts flowing.

Just remember, the state is just the puppet.
Wall Street is the puppeteer.