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I wonder what reinforces the sanctity of life more though... Getting your own hands dirty, or reducing it to common knowledge and a concept (the others at the factory) ?

Slaughterhousing is NOT gratuitous. Its a functional system, indifferent to 'sport' and amusement or entertainment from slaughtering the cows . There are no trophy contests. Not saying it isn't a very ugly machine (its a monster's factory as far as children and animals are concerned) . But it does feed the masses, and as such, it is not wanton, senseless death of the animals in the same way that it is when a bunch or retarded ass-wipes go out in their SUVs and gun down an out leveraged animal for sport.

Like I said...Eating the poor thing afterward only proves you aren't wasteful. But killing it (especially when its absolutely not necessary to hunt) is purely "Gratuitous".

SOme people are above that barbarianism and they dont 'hunt'. I am one of those individuals.

Grant, if you saw how the animals are treated in those slaughterhouses you would find that hunting is much more humane.

shooting deer beats the devil out of killing them with your car.

animal cruelty at it's finest

I don't hunt myself, never have, but I know plenty of hunters. Today I stopped by one of the few friends I have left from high school, big time hunter. He showed me a nine-point buck that his son shot down in Ohio over the weekend. They use bows only, never guns. The son downed it cleanly with one arrow. They will eat the meat and mount the head. I don't really have much of a point except to say the deer population can get out of control because there aren't many natural predators around. They are practicing conservation, getting food and having fun with their sport. Got to give them props for that.

Deer overpopulation is the same here. Deer roam the city in herds, right in the middle of town, and this isn't a small city. After 5PM you have to be very careful because you never know when one or two will run out in front of your car or motorcycle. The save Bambi crowd has caused the deer population to explode since they have no natural predators.

In the last few years they have increased the bow hunting season. People eat what they kill here, so waste or hunting for "sport" isn't a problem. But what is sporting about a man hiding in a bush shooting at an unarmed animal? Nothing.

I don't hunt myself, never have, but I know plenty of hunters. Today I stopped by one of the few friends I have left from high school, big time hunter. He showed me a nine-point buck that his son shot down in Ohio over the weekend. They use bows only, never guns. The son downed it cleanly with one arrow. They will eat the meat and mount the head. I don't really have much of a point except to say the deer population can get out of control because there aren't many natural predators around. They are practicing conservation, getting food and having fun with their sport. Got to give them props for that.

Deer overpopulation is the same here. Deer roam the city in herds, right in the middle of town, and this isn't a small city. After 5PM you have to be very careful because you never know when one or two will run out in front of your car or motorcycle. The save Bambi crowd has caused the deer population to explode since they have no natural predators.

In the last few years they have increased the bow hunting season. People eat what they kill here, so waste or hunting for "sport" isn't a problem. But what is sporting about a man hiding in a bush shooting at an unarmed animal? Nothing.

Or hiding in the barn, shooting through a hole at a bait pile.

Naw, that's not too unsportsmanlike.. lol (until they start doing it to you)

Grant, if you saw how the animals are treated in those slaughterhouses you would find that hunting is much more humane.

Jeff I have seen the horrors of what goes on in slaughterhouses. Its terribly sad ... The animals know no other life or fate. The attempt at their death is fairly swift. But in the wild, ...when I see a bunch of knuckle heads take down a deer, with a fukn revolver, and its wheezing /suffering cause those cock suckers dont know what they are doing, it burns me up and it makes me want to bust a cap in every one of their heads (with their own guns) .

I don't hunt myself, never have, but I know plenty of hunters. Today I stopped by one of the few friends I have left from high school, big time hunter. He showed me a nine-point buck that his son shot down in Ohio over the weekend. They use bows only, never guns. The son downed it cleanly with one arrow. They will eat the meat and mount the head. I don't really have much of a point except to say the deer population can get out of control because there aren't many natural predators around. They are practicing conservation, getting food and having fun with their sport. Got to give them props for that.

Deer overpopulation is the same here. Deer roam the city in herds, right in the middle of town, and this isn't a small city. After 5PM you have to be very careful because you never know when one or two will run out in front of your car or motorcycle. The save Bambi crowd has caused the deer population to explode since they have no natural predators.

In the last few years they have increased the bow hunting season. People eat what they kill here, so waste or hunting for "sport" isn't a problem. But what is sporting about a man hiding in a bush shooting at an unarmed animal? Nothing.

There used to be plenty of wolve, bears and cougars to handle that population Once again, Man touches everything and that everything wilts into corrupted, adulterated sh*t... We have only ourselves to blame.

Grant, if you saw how the animals are treated in those slaughterhouses you would find that hunting is much more humane.

Jeff I have seen the horrors of what goes on in slaughterhouses. Its terribly sad ... The animals know no other life or fate. The attempt at their death is fairly swift. But in the wild, ...when I see a bunch of knuckle heads take down a deer, with a fukn revolver, and its wheezing /suffering cause those cock suckers dont know what they are doing, it burns me up and it makes me want to bust a cap in every one of their heads (with their own guns) .

is there a law against being a "bad shot" with a firearm?.. BAN all hunters who have not taken training to become a MARKSMAN

To be non sarcastic for a moment - it probably is worth it to consider by what means your food supply becomes food.
I agree with the philosophy of all life is precious.

Absolutely . . . and we have been given dominion over it by the Creator of all life.
Stewardship.
It's not just a funny sounding word.

Judging by the manner of our stewerdship, I'd say I'm still surrounded by a bunch of fukin cavemen... (Not you personally bro) ...

I dont reject the idea of killing to feed our families...But I am whole hertedly saying that its entirely unnecessary to hunt for food in America. There is enough systematic slaughtering to feed this entire nation 20 fold over. Like I said... If you hunt in America, you do it gratuitously... period!

I still count you my friend but I must say I do take your insults and threats of violence quite personally as it is totally unnecessary.
I am a hunter, and I take a great deal of pride in my knowledge and skill.
Hunting in America, not only the activity itself, but the land purchased by taxation, and sporting groups, have and continue to prevent the displacement, starvation and related disease deaths of many of our wild game species.
To hate hunters and hunting is to hate the game we respect and preserve in sheer ignorance of the truth..

To be non sarcastic for a moment - it probably is worth it to consider by what means your food supply becomes food.
I agree with the philosophy of all life is precious.

Absolutely . . . and we have been given dominion over it by the Creator of all life.
Stewardship.
It's not just a funny sounding word.

Judging by the manner of our stewerdship, I'd say I'm still surrounded by a bunch of fukin cavemen... (Not you personally bro) ...

I dont reject the idea of killing to feed our families...But I am whole hertedly saying that its entirely unnecessary to hunt for food in America. There is enough systematic slaughtering to feed this entire nation 20 fold over. Like I said... If you hunt in America, you do it gratuitously... period!

I still count you my friend but I must say I do take your insults and threats of violence quite personally as it is totally unnecessary.
I am a hunter, and I take a great deal of pride in my knowledge and skill.
Hunting in America, not only the activity itself, but the land purchased by taxation, and sporting groups, have and continue to prevent the displacement, starvation and related disease deaths of many of our wild game species.
To hate hunters and hunting is to hate the game we respect and preserve in sheer ignorance of the truth..

Sorry If I offended you. I do sometimes get carried away in the manner of driving home a point. My apologies. (' I wouldnt 'really' shoot hunters)

I still stand by the essence of my observation, which is : Hunting in America is gratuitous, and I'll add, it feeds the predatory nature in humans. There is no room in heaven for predators. The lion must abide and lie down with the lamb.

I absolutely do not agree that gun club, Hunter sports clubs are responsible for balanced ecology. There is no viable evidence, no unbiased survey to support such claims . Colonies of humans messed up the ecology in the first place, (Very bad stewardship) . First, You guys go and kill all the natural predators off (...its documented). This results in an explosion of prey-population, which increases the diseases and displacements that you described... and then you go off and gratuitously 'Kill" the excess wildlife... and you that call that 'prevention'. Sorry, but I don't think my problem is ignorance of the truth.

Kill da Wabbit!
Kill da Wabbit!
Kill da Wabbit!

http://youtu.be/GGU1P6lBW6Q

Your problem is emotion over reality.
Slaughter housing and death farms SHOULD bother you more, but apparently that isn't so.
Don't eat animals or animal products, maybe?

I hunted as a teen up to around 20 years of age - had my fill of blood and guts.
If I go anymore with family I just take a camera to shoot with.
I always have a sidearm though cuz it's hard to call the police from the forest.

Most young adults don't know the dirty reality and gravity of death because they've never been up close and personal with it.
In my opinion, being insulated from reality takes away from knowing the preciousness of life.

You could say that driving in America is gratuitous. There are services to do it for ya.

Fini

To be non sarcastic for a moment - it probably is worth it to consider by what means your food supply becomes food.
I agree with the philosophy of all life is precious.

Absolutely . . . and we have been given dominion over it by the Creator of all life.
Stewardship.
It's not just a funny sounding word.

Judging by the manner of our stewerdship, I'd say I'm still surrounded by a bunch of fukin cavemen... (Not you personally bro) ...

I dont reject the idea of killing to feed our families...But I am whole hertedly saying that its entirely unnecessary to hunt for food in America. There is enough systematic slaughtering to feed this entire nation 20 fold over. Like I said... If you hunt in America, you do it gratuitously... period!

I still count you my friend but I must say I do take your insults and threats of violence quite personally as it is totally unnecessary.
I am a hunter, and I take a great deal of pride in my knowledge and skill.
Hunting in America, not only the activity itself, but the land purchased by taxation, and sporting groups, have and continue to prevent the displacement, starvation and related disease deaths of many of our wild game species.
To hate hunters and hunting is to hate the game we respect and preserve in sheer ignorance of the truth..

Sorry If I offended you. I do sometimes get carried away in the manner of driving home a point. My apologies. (' I wouldnt 'really' shoot hunters)

I still stand by the essence of my observation, which is : Hunting in America is gratuitous, and I'll add, it feeds the predatory nature in humans. There is no room in heaven for predators. The lion must abide and lie down with the lamb.

I absolutely do not agree that gun club, Hunter sports clubs are responsible for balanced ecology. There is no viable evidence, no unbiased survey to support such claims . Colonies of humans messed up the ecology in the first place, (Very bad stewardship) . First, You guys go and kill all the natural predators off (...its documented). This results in an explosion of prey-population, which increases the diseases and displacements that you described... and then you go off and gratuitously 'Kill" the excess wildlife... and you that call that 'prevention'. Sorry, but I don't think my problem is ignorance of the truth.

Apology accepted.

We are predators, and we are not in heaven . . . yet.

Now lets focus on the millions of people employed, billions in tax revenues. Ranchers, farmers, and other land owners whom pay their annual tax if not totally support their families via hunting activities.

Sure there are people I consider "killers" not "hunters" myself because they exist without skill knowledge or respect.
But most of the people I have been directly involved with while hunting.
Both hunter and land owner alike. Have been "salt of the earth" type people.
No bad press can wash that truth away.
It exists in my very soul and fiber of my being.

Grant, if you saw how the animals are treated in those slaughterhouses you would find that hunting is much more humane.

Jeff I have seen the horrors of what goes on in slaughterhouses. Its terribly sad ... The animals know no other life or fate. The attempt at their death is fairly swift. But in the wild, ...when I see a bunch of knuckle heads take down a deer, with a fukn revolver, and its wheezing /suffering cause those cock suckers dont know what they are doing, it burns me up and it makes me want to bust a cap in every one of their heads (with their own guns) .

is there a law against being a "bad shot" with a firearm?.. BAN all hunters who have not taken training to become a MARKSMAN

IMO, a Marksman can hit a deer he/she shoots at. Might hit it in the tail or snout, but likely to die of infection rather than instantly. A sharpshooter can aim for and hit vital organs that will put a deer down without saying it's ugly and it's mother dresses it funny before it dies. An expert marksman knows that if he/she sees what he is hunting, it is dead. Sometimes I feel it is more fun for the sharpshooter because there is the element of chance that he may fail. An expert is as sure of a kill as turning on a light switch- or off. However, an expert makes a kill challenging by shooting the deer in a place that preserves a good stuffed mount, knocks down the target in one shot as if it were bowled, and doesn't bruise or fill edible meat with lead shot. A marksman is the one proudest of a "Good Shot" because it is rare. An expert is proud of a shot that cant be beat and is bored with trophys. When ya' know that ya' know, it is the other challenges in life that you succeed in that you take pride in.