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want to end the mass shooting?
End the mass medication of schoolchildren... and adults, on psyc drugs...
Big Pharma and Big Gov are the real problem.
ALL of the mass shootings have been perpetrated by people on prescribed psyc drugs!

My foot was crushed by a supervisor operating heavy machinery... on scripted meds. Why was he looking behind him with a forklift in the forward gear when he proceeded to do a 10 second full throttle burnout on my foot? That is not the question. the question is why was he operating heavy machinery on scripted meds. Same as (what I think you are alluding to), is and what should be... what is heavy firepower doing in a home with easy access to anyone in the home of persons on scripted drugs. A more direct approach isn't to go after assault weapons, but to force doctors to ask "Are you allergic to any medications?" "No." "Is there anyone in your home possessing firearms?" What American would argue against that proposal?

want to end the mass shooting?
End the mass medication of schoolchildren... and adults, on psyc drugs...
Big Pharma and Big Gov are the real problem.
ALL of the mass shootings have been perpetrated by people on prescribed psyc drugs!

My foot was crushed by a supervisor operating heavy machinery... on scripted meds. Why was he looking behind him with a forklift in the forward gear when he proceeded to do a 10 second full throttle burnout on my foot? That is not the question. the question is why was he operating heavy machinery on scripted meds. Same as (what I think you are alluding to), is and what should be... what is heavy firepower doing in a home with easy access to anyone in the home of persons on scripted drugs. A more direct approach isn't to go after assault weapons, but to force doctors to ask "Are you allergic to any medications?" "No." "Is there anyone in your home possessing firearms?" What American would argue against that proposal?

We would!
We're both on psychotropic medications and possess firearms.

We're both on psychotropic medications.

that explains a lot, actually








I believe everyone on this board is genuinely alarmed and concerned about what is happening in the country regarding violent mass murders increasing.

What divides us is the solution. SOME of you seem to believe whatever politicians are telling you. SOME of you are allowing the media to spoon-feed you the (seemingly) easy answers. SOME of you are so distraught that you're willing to accept the easy answer to assuage our collective conscience about "doing something".


But then SOME of us are trying to point out that we've had the right to bear arms for centuries now and these kind of events are not altogether isolated in our history, but the proliferation and increasing occurances of these horrible events are more than what we've ever seen in the past.

Could we please examine all factors that got us here? Could we please stop trusting the government for every answer to every daily problem? For the sake of our kids, could we please examine every possibility before we hastily throw away our guaranteed rights because of fear tactics from the (fascist) government and the Dept of Propoganda (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, & Fox)????

An estimated 42,000 deaths per year (murders, suicides, early deaths) are connected to psychiatric medications.

I'd like to know how many gun-related deaths are NOT connected to this and compare that data. I have no doubt this would show a clear picture of what is really driving the phenomenon we're seeing, combined with violent video games desensitizing our youth about violence.

If you'll take the time to look at this report, you'll see psychiatrists admitting they have NO IDEA what they are doing at about :15 minutes in. They have a list of diagnosis which they randomly choose from, depending on the patient. They rarely spend more than 15 minutes with a "patient" to discover the root problems of whatever seems to be a problem, so please spend at least 15 minutes watching this program if you are SERIOUS about wanting a solution to the violence we're seeing among our ridalyn-drugged generation.


please?

http://www.cchr.org/videos/dead-wrong.html

Then I would ask you this.

Are there truly more mass murders or more murders than before in civilization?

Or does the media pick and choose to highlight the ones that will push forward the liberal agendas? Such as taking away our constitutional rights as individuals.

Big brother is far more less likely to come after an armed citizenry.

The statistics show that more people are murdered by hands and feet than are murdered using other available weapons. Or so I have heard. So if true, should we ban hands and feet. Check the percentages of murders and crimes committed by licensed gun owners. Isn't it something like .19 of one percent?

It all comes down to anger management for those who commit atrocities. It is not a gun or a knife or a club or any other object that can be used as a weapon. It is a moral issue, or lack there of in the one who kills.

Anything can become a weapon if used by a skilled assassin. Anything from a pencil to a pillow and everything in between.

This is more of a liberal media campaign for the liberal Utopian agenda than it is about 26 people being murdered.

Anyone have stats on the Mexican gun laws? Thousands are murdered every year in Mexico. Much smaller than the United states, right? Do they have gun laws?

Where all citizens are armed there seems to be a definite lack of gun violence.

It is said that Hitler was exposed to mustard gas in the first world war. Ban mustard.

I get mustard gas if I eat too many hot dogs.

Murders are not increasing.
FBI statistics show they are actually decreasing.
Only publicity for political agenda is increasing.

We're both on psychotropic medications.

that explains a lot, actually








I believe everyone on this board is genuinely alarmed and concerned about what is happening in the country regarding violent mass murders increasing.

What divides us is the solution. SOME of you seem to believe whatever politicians are telling you. SOME of you are allowing the media to spoon-feed you the (seemingly) easy answers. SOME of you are so distraught that you're willing to accept the easy answer to assuage our collective conscience about "doing something".


But then SOME of us are trying to point out that we've had the right to bear arms for centuries now and these kind of events are not altogether isolated in our history, but the proliferation and increasing occurances of these horrible events are more than what we've ever seen in the past.

Could we please examine all factors that got us here? Could we please stop trusting the government for every answer to every daily problem? For the sake of our kids, could we please examine every possibility before we hastily throw away our guaranteed rights because of fear tactics from the (fascist) government and the Dept of Propoganda (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, & Fox)????

An estimated 42,000 deaths per year (murders, suicides, early deaths) are connected to psychiatric medications.

I'd like to know how many gun-related deaths are NOT connected to this and compare that data. I have no doubt this would show a clear picture of what is really driving the phenomenon we're seeing, combined with violent video games desensitizing our youth about violence.

If you'll take the time to look at this report, you'll see psychiatrists admitting they have NO IDEA what they are doing at about :15 minutes in. They have a list of diagnosis which they randomly choose from, depending on the patient. They rarely spend more than 15 minutes with a "patient" to discover the root problems of whatever seems to be a problem, so please spend at least 15 minutes watching this program if you are SERIOUS about wanting a solution to the violence we're seeing among our ridalyn-drugged generation.


please?

http://www.cchr.org/videos/dead-wrong.html

Ted I have to thank you for keeping a cool head and thought process.

Thanks buddy!

Oh you have to thank Ted?
He's the only one throughout this multi-thread discussion process?

That is IT Glenny. I challenge you to a duel!
Sabers at 20 paces.

I just have to say, I played Grand Theft Auto 3 for an entire summer back when I was 12 or 13, and grew up with violent games like Mortal Kombat, and I never thought about being violent with anyone in my life. Never even been in a fight.

Most of these shootings are due to mental illness, abused/bullied children, or just plain EVIL people. Yeah, there is evil in this world, and no level of banning is going to stop them from hurting people.

Violent video games are an expression of free speech, and they're even regulated. Games with lots of violence are rated M and can't be purchased by anyone under 17 or 18. It's just the bad parents out there the buy them for their kids without knowing what the game is about. But I don't think, in any case ever, that video games caused a shooting. Who knows though..

I just have to say, I played Grand Theft Auto 3 for an entire summer back when I was 12 or 13, and grew up with violent games like Mortal Kombat, and I never thought about being violent with anyone in my life. Never even been in a fight.

Most of these shootings are due to mental illness, abused/bullied children, or just plain EVIL people. Yeah, there is evil in this world, and no level of banning is going to stop them from hurting people.

Violent video games are an expression of free speech, and they're even regulated. Games with lots of violence are rated M and can't be purchased by anyone under 17 or 18. It's just the bad parents out there the buy them for their kids without knowing what the game is about. But I don't think, in any case ever, that video games caused a shooting. Who knows though..

I don't believe, nor do I believe you think your parents were bad for letting you play that game when you were 12 or 13. Some kids can handle it in perspective- as a game. There were probably worse things you could have done with your time.

Once again your intolerance is showing KING KRAMER.
Your line about every one not being able to discern reality unless someone like you decides,,,,
Instead of beating the drum for more government control over such bullshiit stuf like 32 OZ sodas,,,, Why don't you wake up and start helping people realize they need to have TREMENDOUS PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY,,, if they want to remain free under the rule of government established BY THE PEOPLE.

For all your bluster,,, you don't get that one major point. That's ok, most people don't. That's why we have people like you. To tell us what to do.

I was merely observing the obvious. You want to pretend that everyone isn't susceptible to suggestive propaganda, and ignore that it exists- which every psychiatric study ever done confirms that people are indeed shaped by their environment. It's fairly easy to separate the "fantasy" games from the "reality" ones, and shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

You will always see any attempt to curb insane practices as an assault on your freedumbs.. I get that. You reap what you sew, as they say. Don't bitch about the violence (and the reactions) if you are going to ignore the roots of the problems and continue to blame the symptoms.

sounds like you are suggesting violence is justified as a learning aid? violence is just as acceptable in society then as politeness and kindness?