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#198855 by PaperDog
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:00 am
gtZip wrote:Hmm.. maybe it was mixed and mastered with headphones ?
That's generally considered a no no


Yep I think you are correct... I will ask him when he gets back from Vacation

#198857 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:01 am
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:
Mike Nobody wrote:
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:when I go to people's BM pages and listen to their music I am always wondering what gear they used to record it? most people's pages never say whether it was done at a professional studio or a home studio.. the people I think I know about is Slacker's stuff which is done with his own gear, cause he offered to help me get up and running rather than paying out the nose.. MikeB has his own gear, JimmyD has a professional studio he can use at great rates.. as far as all the rest of you, never have said, or I was not hanging around here at this board long enough to know.. not that it matters though :lol:


I mostly use crap.
I haven't gotten the hang of the nicer crap yet.

1/4" reel to reel tape machine? one of Mahavishnu Orchestra's albums was recorded on a 1/4" reel to reel machine.. the album after Birds of Fire I think




Early Beatles were recorded on 4 track tape.


But it was being managed by Sir George Martin! He knew exactly how to use that equipment and owned only the best available gear.

#198859 by DainNobody
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:05 am
from wiki:

The Lost Trident Sessions is a studio album by jazz fusion group the Mahavishnu Orchestra, released on September 21, 1999 through Sony Music Entertainment. It was originally recorded in June 1973 at Trident Studios but was not released until 26 years later. According to the album's detailed liner notes, in November 1998 Columbia Records producer Bob Belden stumbled upon two quarter-inch tapes in Columbia's Los Angeles vault whilst gathering material for a remastered reissue of the Mahavishnu Orchestra's 1972 album Birds of Fire. The tapes were otherwise unlabeled besides the recording location, but upon further inspection they were revealed to be the two-track mixes for what would have been the Mahavishnu Orchestra's third studio album at the time

have an old Norelco reel to reel that uses 1/4" tape, but the quality would have to suck.. a Tascam or Teac reel to reel player has wider tape than a 1/4" ??

#198861 by PaperDog
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:11 am
yod wrote:You know how it feels when a newbie comes in here thinking he's "all that" but then you hear his recordings and it's obvious he's been playing guitar for like about 2 years?

There are no shortcuts to greatness.





I have a nice home studio. I would NEVER use anything I've done here on an album. Dawg, I tried to tell ya. If it's worth doing, you might as well do it right.

Yes, you can create a good sounding demo...maybe even sell it at gigs. But studios are expensive because they have the best equipment run by people who have spent their lives learning the science of recording. Again, there are no shortcuts to greatness. Let the excellent specialists do their job.

My advice for any/all of you is to be specialists in what is most important for your goals; songwriter and/or performance and then hire specialists to record that, specialists to master it, and specialists to manufacture the finished product.

If you want to run a recording studio, spend all your time on that instead of music. I know many a great musician who went that direction. They hardly ever play live anymore. Their instrument took the back seat.

Believe it or not, it's always better to spend whatever it takes because after you've spent a lot of money, you want something that sounds great, right?

Not something that's "OK" and you have to make excuses to every person you play it for.

That said, if it wasn't recorded badly there are ways of improving the mix and mastering. My guess is that the whole process was less-than-broadcast-quality, so a new mix will still sound cheap....only clearer.




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Well Yod, I'll ring up George Martin and See If I can book him at Abby Road... LOL! :lol:

Yes you did tell me . I am not exactly in the kind of position that I can just toss out checks to get sh*t done... Believe me, if I had that kind of cash flow, I would not be wasting my time with anything less than a major production . So "knowing" this doesn't really seem too helpful and is kinda moot...But I appreciate your thoughts.. All I can do is swing to the next vine and see what I can fix...

#198865 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:18 am
I'm not trying to rub it in, bro.

But you could have been half-way done with something extraordinary. If you can't afford to do it in a way that you'll like when it's done, then what is the point?

If it took you 5 years of scrimping and saving, it would have been time and money well spent when it was over. I can recommend people that can "fix" what has happened as much as possible, but often that is like trying to straighten out a bent nail.

#198866 by J-HALEY
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:19 am
Trust me Yod knows what he is talking about! Ted I agree with you. If its worth doing its worth doing right! I however am not trying to make it in the music business. I am just wanting to have complete control over my original music and have the (time) to really kick back and let the creative juices flow. Its a little different approach. In perspective it is kind of the same! I know I can never make the kind of money making music that I make in my professional life. Believe me I have tried. I guess it depends on what one considers making it. From my viewpoint you have made it! Made it, that's kind of self explaining right? You made your niche in the music business and doing exactly what you want to do musically! Wow I wish the rest of you guys could know Yod! I believe I have done the same thing just on a smaller scale.

#198867 by DainNobody
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:25 am
again, I am a newcomer here, so as far as knowing how big yod was in the music business is beyond me.. but from what I gather, he was in Christian music.. my neighbor here in Missouri, wanted to downplay yod's success but I am inclined to believe yod found more success than most of us have here..

#198868 by Mike Nobody
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:34 am
J-HALEY wrote:Trust me Yod knows what he is talking about! Ted I agree with you. If its worth doing its worth doing right! I however am not trying to make it in the music business. I am just wanting to have complete control over my original music and have the (time) to really kick back and let the creative juices flow. Its a little different approach. In perspective it is kind of the same! I know I can never make the kind of money making music that I make in my professional life. Believe me I have tried. I guess it depends on what one considers making it. From my viewpoint you have made it! Made it, that's kind of self explaining right? You made your niche in the music business and doing exactly what you want to do musically! Wow I wish the rest of you guys could know Yod! I believe I have done the same thing just on a smaller scale.


If I can cover my expenses and at least break even, then I am pretty happy.

When I started playing music, punk & alternative music styles were still very underground.
There was no "making it" if you played that stuff.
You just did it out of love.
It was just something you were compelled to do.
When those styles broke into the mainstream, I and many others kinda went into shock.
Honestly, I just wanted to quit music altogether after that... and I wasn't alone in that sentiment.
I think it has balanced out again.
It has been put back into some perspective.
I don't think the music I like to do would be very commercially successful.
Not on a big "arena rock" type scale, at least.
But, I know there's an audience for it, and I can do pretty well with some work and a little luck.

#198869 by DainNobody
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:45 am
Mike Nobody wrote:
J-HALEY wrote:Trust me Yod knows what he is talking about! Ted I agree with you. If its worth doing its worth doing right! I however am not trying to make it in the music business. I am just wanting to have complete control over my original music and have the (time) to really kick back and let the creative juices flow. Its a little different approach. In perspective it is kind of the same! I know I can never make the kind of money making music that I make in my professional life. Believe me I have tried. I guess it depends on what one considers making it. From my viewpoint you have made it! Made it, that's kind of self explaining right? You made your niche in the music business and doing exactly what you want to do musically! Wow I wish the rest of you guys could know Yod! I believe I have done the same thing just on a smaller scale.


If I can cover my expenses and at least break even, then I am pretty happy.

When I started playing music, punk & alternative music styles were still very underground.
There was no "making it" if you played that stuff.
You just did it out of love.
It was just something you were compelled to do.
When those styles broke into the mainstream, I and many others kinda went into shock.
Honestly, I just wanted to quit music altogether after that... and I wasn't alone in that sentiment.
I think it has balanced out again.
It has been put back into some perspective.
I don't think the music I like to do would be very commercially successful.
Not on a big "arena rock" type scale, at least.
But, I know there's an audience for it, and I can do pretty well with some work and a little luck.
the local craigslist musician section has people on it that will gig for free, or there are business owners coming on craigslist wanting to hire a free band for a promotion or new car liquidation sales event or something and I just hate it when all they might offer is free beer and food as compensation.. it generally takes years to learn an instrument well enough to play a gig and a player ought to be well compensated for providing a legitimate in demand service like live music..

#198870 by PaperDog
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:47 am
J-HALEY wrote:Sorry Grant, I did not mean to hijack your thread. Just wanted to clarify what I was using! this BR1180 is seriously outdated just asyou k MikeB. He is the one that convinced me to make the change! :wink:


No worries Jeff! I dont think of anything you or others post as a hijack... Its called interaction and multi-dimensional thought waves. :)

#198871 by PaperDog
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:48 am
Okay The profile Server is down Cant post songs yet..

#198872 by Mike Nobody
Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:57 am
Dane Ellis Allen wrote: the local craigslist musician section has people on it that will gig for free, or there are business owners coming on craigslist wanting to hire a free band for a promotion or new car liquidation sales event or something and I just hate it when all they might offer is free beer and food as compensation.. it generally takes years to learn an instrument well enough to play a gig and a player ought to be well compensated for providing a legitimate in demand service like live music..


Yeah, I know how that goes.
I played at a party once and all we got in compensation was homebrewed beer (which I don't drink).

One time we played at the Erotic Poetry Festival in Hamtramck.
I thought THAT was going to be for free.
But, it ended up being our highest-paid gig up to that point.
Go figure.

I drove a friend's band in my van awhile.
I was paid more for driving the van than they each made at the gig.
But, they had free food too.
Their guitarist was annoyed that I made more money than him.
I was annoyed that our band never got free food.

#198874 by J-HALEY
Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:21 am
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:again, I am a newcomer here, so as far as knowing how big yod was in the music business is beyond me.. but from what I gather, he was in Christian music.. my neighbor here in Missouri, wanted to downplay yod's success but I am inclined to believe yod found more success than most of us have here..


Dane, how good do you have to be to get this guy to play guitar on your record?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaVVZYOvMFY

#198877 by DainNobody
Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:32 am
I am confused? is Andy yod?

#198878 by PaperDog
Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:36 am
yod wrote:I'm not trying to rub it in, bro.

But you could have been half-way done with something extraordinary. If you can't afford to do it in a way that you'll like when it's done, then what is the point?

If it took you 5 years of scrimping and saving, it would have been time and money well spent when it was over. I can recommend people that can "fix" what has happened as much as possible, but often that is like trying to straighten out a bent nail.


Ted, My songs are extraordinary... (in my own mind) regardless of what transpires around them. However, I hardly doubt, that even with the best production available, that my extraordinary songs would be received as such...

As for "nothing but the best" , I've been striving for the best all my life, , gone out to proactively obtain the best, and what I have discoverd is that its a pipe dream bro..Its 'Anthony Robbins' fodder.
I already have created my best. Maybe someday I 'll beat it with something better. Its easy to tell others ti do their best.

Throw some money at me, produce and promote me, and lets crack that campaign bottle open together :) Otherwise, my friend, the best is just buzz-talk :D

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