General Music Chat

There you go with your annoying facts Ron! You will be shouted down and told your opinion doesn't matter because you're a Canadian. Thank you!

Yea .. well it is what it is ... they are only words

I doubt much will change Jimmy .. when it it comes to US gun laws .. it's very entrenched into the American culture ... a long with a good amount of fear. This will fall off the news cycle and be put on the back burner like all the rest. As for the mentally ill getting help .. the right want smaller or very little goverment so I guess that means no funding for that.

I don't get the small goverment thing ... what is that look like .. Afghanistan?

This link shows how pervasive, ridiculous and sad that fear can be ... this happen this year during the Calgary Stampede.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/Lakritz+Kalamazoo+police+officer+letter+editor+about/7054368/story.html


Wawra, who lives in Kalamazoo, Mich., is a police officer. While on a recent visit to Calgary, he and his wife, Debbie, were approached by two young men on a pathway in Nose Hill Park, who asked the Wawras if they had been to the Stampede yet. When they asked the question a second time, Wawra moved between the men and his wife and told them he had no need to talk to them. He said they looked “bewildered.” The parties then went their separate ways.

In his letter, Wawra said it felt strange not to carry his off-duty handgun in Canada and added that he thanked the Lord they didn’t pull a weapon on him. No benefit of the doubt given the young men, no thought that they might have just been trying to be friendly.

He also complained about Canadian gun laws, saying that in Canada, only the police and criminals carry handguns. Yes, that’s true, and it’s probably one of the reasons when there’s a dispute over a parking space in Canada, nobody dies from bullet wounds as a result.

Wawra’s mindset is what America’s gun mania has produced. How paranoid and how very sad.


Wawra wrote that he speculated the men did not have good intentions. He claims the men spoke in an “aggressive, disrespectful and menacing manner.” Menacing? A question about the Stampede is construed as a menace?

Most likely, the men noticed something about the Wawras that indicated they were tourists, and were trying to make conversation. Maybe they themselves were enjoying the Stampede’s centennial celebration and wanted to let these tourists know that their visit to Calgary wouldn’t be complete without a day at the Stampede. The fact that the young men looked bewildered by Wawra’s response indicates that their intentions were indeed friendly ones and that they were quite puzzled at being rebuffed.

Unfortunately not surprising. Cops and military people are brainwashed into paranoia. My brother went into the service a normal teenager and came out a gun nut prone to violence and paranoia. But it can be changed, we the sane must band together and make it happen. You WILL see changes here shortly trust me. Or I'll meet you in Mexico!

I'll be at our casa in Mexico on Jan 15th and the wife comes down Feb 15th .. and we leave March 28th.

I'm flying a piano down this time, to leave there .. got a bunch of old blues players in the neighbourhood that have played with international artists so we'll have some great jammin going on ... drop by if you are in the area .. we have a spare bed.

You cannot compare Switzerland to the US.. go there and as soon as you step off the plane you'll know why. There are no ghettos, no trailer parks, it's perhaps the cleanest country in the world, and they have an extremely disclipline population and culture, very very different from the US. You absolutely cannot compare the US and Switzerland.

Been there several times...not trying to compare Swiss to Americans, just exposing the misinformed idea that "guns kill people" because every Swiss has a few.

Switzerland has a militia that consists of every able-bodied adult male between the ages of 20-30 (34 for officers), all of which have mandatory military training (a year I think), and yes they all have their military issued rifles,

1. Switzerland IS a militia
2. All men serve into their 50s in the reserves.
3. All men have mandatory training every year, adding up to one total year by the time they relieved of duty in their 50s.

but they do NOT have ammunition!

Whoever told you that is terribly mistaken...

The ammunition they buy is regulated and documented, but the ammunition they get at the gun range is not.

As of 2007 the government recalled all ammunition, so while they all have weapons they are unable to fire them.

As in America, that move was led by the Socialist-minority. Swiss voters overwhelmingly rejected gun law reform in 2011 though


Getting ammunition is not a problem in Switzerland as you presume though

"Swiss military ammo must be registered if bought at a private store, but need not be registered if bought at a range. The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition. Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed."

In other words, Swiss reservists are free to purchase, possess, and use military ammunition outside the context of direct military service.




But they don't have to worry about a Socialist dictator because all rights belong to the Cantons (states) and everything has to be unanimous.

If that was the case in America, we wouldn't be having this debate. Our Constitution has already settled it.


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Whoever told you that is terribly mistaken...

The ammunition they buy is regulated and documented, but the ammunition they get at the gun range is not.

Prior to 2007 members of the Swiss Militia were supplied with 50 rounds of ammunition for their military weapon in a sealed ammo box that was regularly audited by the government. This was so that, in the case of an emergency, the militia could respond quickly. However, since 2007 this practice has been discontinued. Only 2,000 specialist militia members (who protect airports and other sites of particular sensitivity) are permitted to keep their military-issued ammunition at home. The rest of the militia get their ammunition from their military armory in the event of an emergency

I've also done extensive touring in europe for many years Yod and you haven't exposed anything concerning the Swiss .. more like trying to twisted the facts to fit your agenda ... and that is one of the reasons I doubt that anything will change

But they don't have to worry about a Socialist dictator because all rights belong to the Cantons (states) and everything has to be unanimous.

If that was the case in America, we wouldn't be having this debate. Our Constitution has already settled it.

I agree .. the constitution has settled it ..

Unfortunately not surprising. Cops and military people are brainwashed into paranoia. My brother went into the service a normal teenager and came out a gun nut prone to violence and paranoia. But it can be changed, we the sane must band together and make it happen. You WILL see changes here shortly trust me. Or I'll meet you in Mexico!

we the sane? BWA HA HA HA! Newsflash for ya jimmy, sane people don't blame innocent folks in Texas, Iowa and New York for a mass shooting of innocent children in Connecticut!

Dick's Sporting Goods has just stopped selling certain semi-automatic rifles.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/money/Wal ... index.html

The company that makes the Bushmaster just put that product line up for sale. WalMart has pulled its ads.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/18/news/ce ... ?hpt=hp_t1

Stock prices of major gun makers have slumped.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/18/news/co ... ?hpt=hp_t1

Republican govenor of Michigan to veto concealed weapons bill.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Mich ... index.html

Things are changing. Just wait and see.

[quote="jimmydanger"]Dick's Sporting Goods has just stopped selling certain semi-automatic rifles.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/money/Wal ... index.html

The company that makes the Bushmaster just put that product line up for sale. WalMart has pulled its ads.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/18/news/ce ... ?hpt=hp_t1

Stock prices of major gun makers have slumped.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/18/news/co ... ?hpt=hp_t1

Republican govenor of Michigan to veto concealed weapons bill.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Mich ... index.html

Things are changing. Just wait and see.[/quote


I already heard this stuff jimmy! this ain't a competition between you and me. I will except whatever laws they pass short of taking away my handgun rifles and shotgun. If I want to hunt I am going to hunt. If I want to protect my family I will. The problem with YOU FLAMING LIBERALS is you want a society as defenseless as those poor little children in Newtown. You may be fine with sticking your head in the sand I prefer to deal with reality. That reality is that if a mentally ill person is going to do a mass killing they will do it with sticks and stones if they have to. YOU lefties won't allow us to properly control illegal immigration and now you want to disarm us with gangs of illegals kicking in folks front doors shooting them and taking what they want! No I am not being paranoid it happens 2, 3, 4, or 5 times a day down here!

I already heard this stuff jimmy! this ain't a competition between you and me. I will except whatever laws they pass short of taking away my handgun rifles and shotgun. If I want to hunt I am going to hunt. If I want to protect my family I will. The problem with YOU FLAMING LIBERALS is you want a society as defenseless as those poor little children in Newtown. You may be fine with sticking your head in the sand I prefer to deal with reality. That reality is that if a mentally ill person is going to do a mass killing they will do it with sticks and stones if they have to. YOU lefties won't allow us to properly control illegal immigration and now you want to disarm us with gangs of illegals kicking in folks front doors shooting them and taking what they want! No I am not being paranoid it happens 2, 3, 4, or 5 times a day down here!

YOU FLAMING LIBERALS?
I really don't care about your guns.
A hand grenade will take a houseful of guns out without a single shot being fired.
And, yes, we have them.

BTW, Jimmy, don't ever talk to me like that again.
I have a long history of mental instability and hospitalization.
You live very nearby and are unarmed.

Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass you might hear what I said. NO ONE WANTS YOUR RIFLE, HANDGUN OR SHOTGUN, provided they're not semi-automatic. No one wants to stop you from hunting. We want to stop the mass shootings, that's all. Wake up Jeff.

Mike are you threatening me? Perhaps you want to be hospitalized again? Don't talk to me about taking chill pills and I won't talk to you about getting a job.

Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass you might hear what I said. NO ONE WANTS YOUR RIFLE, HANDGUN OR SHOTGUN, provided they're not semi-automatic. No one wants to stop you from hunting. We want to stop the mass shootings, that's all. Wake up Jeff.

Your the one that has his head up his ass Jimmy NEWSFLASH JIMMY, they are all considered semi- auto. Gosh Jimmy here you go talking about and trying to dictate something you don't know sh!t about! Do you know the difference between semi-automatic and automatic or high capacity? Geesh!

Mike are you threatening me? Perhaps you want to be hospitalized again? Don't talk to me about taking chill pills and I won't talk to you about getting a job.

I'm not threatening you.
But, you need to use your brain a little when chatting with strangers online.
If I REALLY had any intentions of harming you or anybody you know I wouldn't have said a damn thing.
Something would have just happened... and you'd go cry to Jeff or his buddies to borrow their guns.
Think before you speak.

I mean, really, you hurt my feelings and I was just kidding around.

and still you refuse to acknowledge that if someone goes nuts with sticks and stones, a shovel, or a fork (all mentioned in carious posts in this thread), that any killer would be very pressed to achieve the number of deaths per minute that they currently enjoy with assault weapons and 9mm's that hold nearly 20 rounds per clip.

If that guy went into the school with a shovel, are you arguing that he would have still killed 28 people? I'd bet after 10 his arms would be like jello, but maybe he had a fork in his belt, eh?

These debates are stupid. Let's legalize rocket lanuchers, cause they really are guns.. just bigger and the bullets explode on contact.. other than that, they are arms and the 2nd amendment says you can own them.

Imagine the HIGH SCORE the next wannabe can get with that rocket launcher! Can anyone say "crowded food court.."? Can you imagine the smile upon some idiots face before he off's himself, knowing FOX news is going to sensationalize his life for years to come?

Yeah, I'm being sarcastic.. I can't possibly have a rational discussion here, so this is where I'm at. Chew on this though- how do you think the framers (writers of the constitution) would have written the 2nd if they knew we would have the weapons we do? Keep in mind, at the time they had single-shot rifles that took 30 seconds to reload....

How do you think they would feel about that amendment, if they knew it would lead to psychopaths gunning down scores of innocent children?

I think we all know the answers.. they would have regulated that millitia through an armory and kept the guns out of the common man's hands. The 2nd amendment is outdated, plain and simple.

Imagine if we took from even more outdated fiction equally as seriously.. oh wait.. we do.. that bible.. the one that claims all kinds of crazy bullsh1t that is scientifically impossible and nothing like it ever verifiably witnessed by anyone alive... and people do crazy sh*t in it's name. How many times have I heard gun owners claiming that they would do crazy things if anyone ever repealed or crushed the 2nd...?

I sense crazy times ahead, possibly in response to my post lol.

Bring on the flame jeff and friends of nascar.