General Music Chat

Seems like everyone is just following your instructions Scotty: "Otherwise, say what you feel. I always do. Why shouldn't you?"

The recording process is messy. Stuff gets missed/lost/deleted all the time. It's just part of the process. Can't repeat a lost golden vocal harmony? Blame the singer, not the recording engineer. Guys that have been doing this for a long time all know this only too well.

Lot's of decisions have to be made during the process. I am sure Les had a reason to do a remix after you left. Out of tune vocals perhaps?? If it is digital he probably saved that mix and just did another and liked it better. Going ape over it just makes you look foolish. Want to do another mix ? Do another mix.... oh, wait. already burned that bridge.

All this drama about lost "golden" harmonies and "magic" mixes just sounds novice and petty. It's like standing on the pier listening to that crazy old fisherman telling a story about the one that got away and blaming the tackle shop who sold him a faulty lure. If it's not in the catch locker, it didn't happen.

Learn to champion your other players and recording engineers and you will get the very best from them... or become a solo act.

Just saying what I feel Scotty. You always do.

lol Golden lost vocal harmony?

Did you read the thread about losing a harmony and trying to redo it 20x and couldn't get it back. That was good ole Les as well.

We tried 20x to get that back. It didn't come back and it isn't because we didn't try.

That's exactly what happened, like it or lump it.

I'd love to go on like it was all just a big mistake but it wasn't.
I know it and he knows it, that's why we're done.

I won't have this music sliced and diced like so much tofu to go into the soup.

No to be a bitch, but did you hear me when I said it was ALL DONE?
What part of ALL DONE do you not get?

AND NO I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER MIX/TUNE/ANYTHING. Th damage is done and I am already out the door. There is no chance of doing anything else. I won't tolerate it.

WHAT MUSIC WILL HE KILL NEXT? Not mine.. oh noooooo, def not.

You want your hard work all cut up because someone has been up for 70+ hours and suddenly is insecure? Not I. (GOTO BED !!!!)

You have issue with my work? Then say so. DO what you say and say what you mean. If you don't, I can't work with you regardless who you are. It doesn't matter at all to me. Be a man of your word or begone.

It is the one that got away, but you can hear a hint of what it was.
Just listen to the harmonies still in the mix, but all but reduced to a whisper.

And I don't mind that you speak your mind, it's just frustrating when you help to churn out something good and at the last minute you find out after the fact that it's been hacked to rubble in comparison to what it was.

No, if people are making bad decisions all on their own, they need to create all on their own.

And if someone did it to you, I bet you'd be mad too.

A better way to completely turn off that creative faucet, I could never come up with.

Better check your catch locker to see what's in it, but make sure you turn the volume up to record levels or you'll miss the little bit he didn't remove.

PS: The whole thing was G Snapped at end on MONDAY when it was done.
That's why i was supposed to get a copy before I left.

What a bad mistake it was leaving before I got said copy...a mistake I will never make again.

EDIT: So he said he'd take it down by Friday and it's down already but you can still hear the damage if you like...it's on my player now.

Why take that lump of smelly cheese off of the internet?
Nah let it play a while yet. Another week ought to drive the point home like the sharp end of the knife..don't forget to strain your ears trying to hear what's left of the harmonies.

Never leave anything to chance or this is what you might end up with, someone else's version of what you thought you were doing.



Above average tune or better w/incorrect or autonomous mix.

Wow man you sit in on ONE mixing session and now you’re an expert. I have a “tin ear”, you “salvaged” everything we have ever done, really? Wholly crap you’re delusional. In fact I have never even see you play any song we have ever done from start to finish. You want to talk about “butchery”.

So now tell me how did I f*** up “your” song?

The main melody was mine, verses and chorus, it was my lyrics, I did the keys, programmed the percussion and will ultimately do the editing, the mixing and mastering (if I ever decide to finish it). Just like every previous song we have done. So when you go around like some puffed up jerk off assuming the lion share of the authority. You know; yeah I’m going to have a problem with that and “your” song. If anyone here blames me for fighting for my side of the ownership, they can kiss my ass too.

Normally I wouldn’t say anything at all. It’s bad enough nothing gets appreciated by yourself, but it’s another thing if you’re going to mindlessly stomp all over those efforts in a public forum. Once again the proper response would have been to simply ask me to remove it in the first place. Were supposed to be on the same team, meanwhile you’re busy throwing me under the bus for all the hard effort. Oh that’s right it was “anonymous” so that makes your assertion of my incompetence ok. I forget Scott how much you value telling it “as it is”, as long as it’s selfish, wrong and rude.

The first time you quit and walked over a patch selection. Hey if a collaborator didn’t like a patch I was using, it would change in an instant. Why because it’s supposed to be collaboration, which doesn’t work via decree. You won’t even try anything else, because you instantly get attached to anything that sounds decent right off the bat. That makes it just a little prohibitive for experimentation.

You don’t dictate what goes into a song I create, it just doesn’t work like that. If you’re being a big enough jerk off about it, then sure sometimes I have no choice but to accept your bullshit to actually get it done. That isn’t to be mistaken for a “choice” at all, under any circumstances. Every single detail with you is a line in the sand, or suffer one of your temper tantrums.

In this case yes I was still working on it and it went bad. Hours listening to it and it happens, you’ll never understand that, because you’ll never do that. Ignorance is bliss. Anyone here that actually does spend the time knows exactly what I'm talking about. So while you're busy painting me the fool, you're doing it in the emperors new clothes. How did you put it?

“You may be a great "keys player, mixer/mastering technician" but you border on a "tin ear" and I don't care what other people think about the music we create.
When I know better, I am not joking, nor suggesting and it wasn't open to interpretation.”

There was the time you walked off because I had the audacity to take two weeks mixing a song, you telling me I'm not allowed to take two weeks to do anything, how it’s my responsibility to just “fu***** mix it and get it to you”. Your ignorance is incredible. How your expectations is to do 100 songs in a year because of your insane preference of quantity, over quality. Which is great to be so ambitious, especially if someone else is doing all the sound work. How clueless would anyone have to be to even assume that’s a realistic goal? Even half of that would be pushing it.

This spawned another thread where the mysterious me, never finishes anything in a timely manner. I let you have that one without saying a word. Actually that was my mistake. As soon as you thought it was ok to anonymously stab me in the back for the effort, I should have ended it there. http://forum.bandmix.com/viewtopic.php?t=20339&highlight=mixing

You refused to even try to see what a guitar would have sounded like on “Mint”. How lazy do you have to be not even to try it and see what it sounds like? Once again that song, MY melody ended up where it did, via YOUR decree. It wasn't horrible so once again you got your way. Which by the way had to stay that title because of your compulsive nature and refusal to change the name of the thing to anything that made sense. It’s a good thing I didn’t call it “song 4” at the beginning, or that would have been it’s title.

Maybe one out of six emails I ever got from you is some oblivious, abusive, wacko rant. So whenever you want to tell everyone how you’re washing you hands of me, awesome man. Let’s get those hand clean. You’re not paying me, I’m doing this of my own free will so when you start assuming you can treat me like your bitch. Wow yeah, once again it’s probably going to piss me off too. But no man, hey you really hit it on the head, it’s my insecurity. Cool I’m all right with that, call it whatever you want.

As long as when someone does decide to work with you, it’s not even remotely as the association of myself. Unless they dig walking on eggshells for each and every single decision made. Hey you’re a great guitar player, good bass player and even a decent vocalists, but wow the maintenance to get any of that is off the friggin charts. I’d call you a Prima Donna, but that’s hardly fair to her.

Is there anything else this third party anonymous person has done to offend his majesty’s precious sensitivities? Or are we done talking about this? Should we go to emails, or maybe you can show us some videos of you fumbling though “your” music? Unreal. Goodbye Scott. It's a shame we had some decent stuff, but there is no way it would have gone anywhere anyway.


It won't let me enter more than maybe two paragraphs at a time. This time not even one paragraph.

Wow man you sit in on ONE mixing session and now you’re an expert. I have a “tin ear”, you “salvaged” everything we have ever done, really? Wholly crap you’re delusional. In fact I have never even see you play any song we have ever done from start to finish. You want to talk about “butchery”.

So now tell me how did I f*** up “your” song?

The main melody was mine, verses and chorus, it was my lyrics, I did the keys, programmed the percussion and will ultimately do the editing, the mixing and mastering (if I ever decide to finish it). Just like every previous song we have done. So when you go around like some puffed up jerk off assuming the lion share of the authority. You know; yeah I’m going to have a problem with that and “your” song. If anyone here blames me for fighting for my side of the ownership, they can kiss my ass too.

Normally I wouldn’t say anything at all. It’s bad enough nothing gets appreciated by yourself, but it’s another thing if you’re going to mindlessly stomp all over those efforts in a public forum. Once again the proper response would have been to simply ask me to remove it in the first place. Were supposed to be on the same team, meanwhile you’re busy throwing me under the bus for all the hard effort. Oh that’s right it was “anonymous” so that makes your assertion of my incompetence ok. I forget Scott how much you value telling it “as it is”, as long as it’s selfish, wrong and rude.

the fur is flying now!

This looks like a good reason to avoid collaborations.

I hate guys with a my-way-or-the-highway attitude.
But, at least with just one composer, you don't get some of the headaches of dealing with other people.

Anyone here that actually does spend the time knows exactly what I'm talking about.

I spent a few days programming just the drums on a piece that I still haven't finished yet! I can attest to the number of hours that goes into a collaborative effort like this. There's nothing easy about it. The mix sounds good to my ear, by the way. Nothing wrong with the song either. I just wouldn't classify the song as a something to be so emotionally vested in, that bridges and friendships get burned over. But, I'm not the author, so take that for what it's worth.

whomever owns the equipment ought to be the boss and call the shots..period

WOW is all I can say!

You guys just dont jee haw so dont work together again, pretty simple without getting the rest of the world involved, but it sure is amusing to read.

Its not like you were creating Sargent Pepper?

Good thing those two didn't have handguns, there would have been a shoot-out at the NJ Corral!

My main complain is that mix was "no good" and didn't need to be posted.

My secondary complaint with you is that I wondering is there is something slightly off about your hearing because it seemed like you removed reasonable "copy", as in "deleted" as opposed to "muted" and put to the side.

When that occurs, it's time to stop.

It was never MY tune, it was OUR tune to be sure.
Like I originally said, "if it sucks, we suck" and I own 50% of the blame for that "poop flavor pop tart".

You are merely to blame because you red-lined at the 70+ hour mark and "unwrote yourself a hit". lol

(I still wonder about how that occurred.) 12 right>? and 73. So bad..

Otherwise you do this all the time with the "edit the material" thing.

EDIT This !~!!!!! (obscene gesture) lol

WE have a dissimilar ear and we should leave it at that, ya tool.
You are not editing me at your discretion, oh hell no.
If that should have been the case, you wouldn't need me at all.
And all not slam you further cause "I like the keys work you do", it's the rest I decline". lol

Don't spend 7000 hours on a tune, no one asked you to.

f**k no, you can't choose my guitar patch or my underwear.

If you wanna play somewhere and show me what you can play, I'd enjoy that !!! I wanted you to play in September, but you "wanted to be drunk" this summer. I can't help it if you don't want to play in public..just like I wouldn't sit around while you do something else.

My main complain is that mix was "no good" and didn't need to be posted.

My secondary complaint with you is that I wondering is there is something slightly off about your hearing because it seemed like you removed reasonable "copy", as in "deleted" as opposed to "muted" and put to the side.

When that occurs, it's time to stop.

It was never MY tune, it was OUR tune to be sure.
Like I originally said, "if it sucks, we suck" and I own 50% of the blame for that "poop flavor pop tart".

Poop Tarts!

And remember how you almost destroyed the guitar tone on "Invisible Light"..

You would have killed that tune for sure.

You are a "butcher" and it is YOU that are "flat", monsieur...
(smacks you with glove and french accent)

lol

Good luck..with your different ear.