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I am not a liberal, but a left leaning centrist, and I think a lot of the problems with these mass shootings lately, has nothing to do with gun control, but has everything to do with removing certain lessons in the Bible from use in society in general.. I am thinking, "Spare The Rod Spoil The Child" ...it is somewhat of an understatement.. spare the rod and you raise literal monsters capable of not knowing the value of human life and never "corrected" with the rod they value nothing as sacred and feel they can do as they wish cause they don't have the normal fear of God in them that keeps them from knowing right from wrong..

You are so right on the money Dane. The Bible shows what society should be. Man adapted that in this free society, but when man began to believe it was his own set of rules, he found it easy to abandon them. For without countability there is no justice.

Q: Which came first, morality or the bible?
A: Morality. Christians stole most of their mythology from other religions and cultures.

I'd rather everyone was packing rather than no one was packing.

I'd rather everyone was fudge packing

Get some help Mike.

Oh and, by the way, if you'd care to look outside the US for a moment, 22 kids were stabbed at an elementary school in china today. Stabbed. Not Shot. Gun laws are f**k useless.

"Would you be happier if they were pushed out of windows?" - Archie Bunker

I am not a liberal, but a left leaning centrist, and I think a lot of the problems with these mass shootings lately, has nothing to do with gun control, but has everything to do with removing certain lessons in the Bible from use in society in general.. I am thinking, "Spare The Rod Spoil The Child" ...it is somewhat of an understatement.. spare the rod and you raise literal monsters capable of not knowing the value of human life and never "corrected" with the rod they value nothing as sacred and feel they can do as they wish cause they don't have the normal fear of God in them that keeps them from knowing right from wrong..

You are so right on the money Dane. The Bible shows what society should be. Man adapted that in this free society, but when man began to believe it was his own set of rules, he found it easy to abandon them. For without countability there is no justice.

A Levite and His Concubine
1 In those days Israel had no king. Now a Levite who lived in a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim took a concubine from Bethlehem in Judah. 2 But she was unfaithful to him. She left him and went back to her father's house in Bethlehem, Judah. After she had been there four months, 3 her husband went to her to persuade her to return. He had with him his servant and two donkeys. She took him into her father's house, and when her father saw him, he gladly welcomed him. 4 His father-in-law, the girl's father, prevailed upon him to stay; so he remained with him three days, eating and drinking, and sleeping there. 5 On the fourth day they got up early and he prepared to leave, but the girl's father said to his son-in-law, "Refresh yourself with something to eat; then you can go." 6 So the two of them sat down to eat and drink together. Afterward the girl's father said, "Please stay tonight and enjoy yourself." 7 And when the man got up to go, his father-in-law persuaded him, so he stayed there that night. 8 On the morning of the fifth day, when he rose to go, the girl's father said, "Refresh yourself. Wait till afternoon!" So the two of them ate together. 9 Then when the man, with his concubine and his servant, got up to leave, his father-in-law, the girl's father, said, "Now look, it's almost evening. Spend the night here; the day is nearly over. Stay and enjoy yourself. Early tomorrow morning you can get up and be on your way home." 10 But, unwilling to stay another night, the man left and went toward Jebus (that is, Jerusalem), with his two saddled donkeys and his concubine. 11 When they were near Jebus and the day was almost gone, the servant said to his master, "Come, let's stop at this city of the Jebusites and spend the night." 12 His master replied, "No. We won't go into an alien city, whose people are not Israelites. We will go on to Gibeah." 13 He added, "Come, let's try to reach Gibeah or Ramah and spend the night in one of those places." 14 So they went on, and the sun set as they neared Gibeah in Benjamin. 15 There they stopped to spend the night. They went and sat in the city square, but no one took them into his home for the night. 16 That evening an old man from the hill country of Ephraim, who was living in Gibeah (the men of the place were Benjamites), came in from his work in the fields. 17 When he looked and saw the traveler in the city square, the old man asked, "Where are you going? Where did you come from?" 18 He answered, "We are on our way from Bethlehem in Judah to a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim where I live. I have been to Bethlehem in Judah and now I am going to the house of the LORD. No one has taken me into his house. 19 We have both straw and fodder for our donkeys and bread and wine for ourselves your servants--me, your maidservant, and the young man with us. We don't need anything." 20 "You are welcome at my house," the old man said. "Let me supply whatever you need. Only don't spend the night in the square." 21 So he took him into his house and fed his donkeys. After they had washed their feet, they had something to eat and drink. 22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him." 23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing." 25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. 27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 28 He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home. 29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.

I am not a liberal, but a left leaning centrist, and I think a lot of the problems with these mass shootings lately, has nothing to do with gun control, but has everything to do with removing certain lessons in the Bible from use in society in general.. I am thinking, "Spare The Rod Spoil The Child" ...it is somewhat of an understatement.. spare the rod and you raise literal monsters capable of not knowing the value of human life and never "corrected" with the rod they value nothing as sacred and feel they can do as they wish cause they don't have the normal fear of God in them that keeps them from knowing right from wrong..

You are so right on the money Dane. The Bible shows what society should be. Man adapted that in this free society, but when man began to believe it was his own set of rules, he found it easy to abandon them. For without countability there is no justice.

A Levite and His Concubine
1 In those days Israel had no king. Now a Levite who lived in a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim took a concubine from Bethlehem in Judah. 2 But she was unfaithful to him. She left him and went back to her father's house in Bethlehem, Judah. After she had been there four months, 3 her husband went to her to persuade her to return. He had with him his servant and two donkeys. She took him into her father's house, and when her father saw him, he gladly welcomed him. 4 His father-in-law, the girl's father, prevailed upon him to stay; so he remained with him three days, eating and drinking, and sleeping there. 5 On the fourth day they got up early and he prepared to leave, but the girl's father said to his son-in-law, "Refresh yourself with something to eat; then you can go." 6 So the two of them sat down to eat and drink together. Afterward the girl's father said, "Please stay tonight and enjoy yourself." 7 And when the man got up to go, his father-in-law persuaded him, so he stayed there that night. 8 On the morning of the fifth day, when he rose to go, the girl's father said, "Refresh yourself. Wait till afternoon!" So the two of them ate together. 9 Then when the man, with his concubine and his servant, got up to leave, his father-in-law, the girl's father, said, "Now look, it's almost evening. Spend the night here; the day is nearly over. Stay and enjoy yourself. Early tomorrow morning you can get up and be on your way home." 10 But, unwilling to stay another night, the man left and went toward Jebus (that is, Jerusalem), with his two saddled donkeys and his concubine. 11 When they were near Jebus and the day was almost gone, the servant said to his master, "Come, let's stop at this city of the Jebusites and spend the night." 12 His master replied, "No. We won't go into an alien city, whose people are not Israelites. We will go on to Gibeah." 13 He added, "Come, let's try to reach Gibeah or Ramah and spend the night in one of those places." 14 So they went on, and the sun set as they neared Gibeah in Benjamin. 15 There they stopped to spend the night. They went and sat in the city square, but no one took them into his home for the night. 16 That evening an old man from the hill country of Ephraim, who was living in Gibeah (the men of the place were Benjamites), came in from his work in the fields. 17 When he looked and saw the traveler in the city square, the old man asked, "Where are you going? Where did you come from?" 18 He answered, "We are on our way from Bethlehem in Judah to a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim where I live. I have been to Bethlehem in Judah and now I am going to the house of the LORD. No one has taken me into his house. 19 We have both straw and fodder for our donkeys and bread and wine for ourselves your servants--me, your maidservant, and the young man with us. We don't need anything." 20 "You are welcome at my house," the old man said. "Let me supply whatever you need. Only don't spend the night in the square." 21 So he took him into his house and fed his donkeys. After they had washed their feet, they had something to eat and drink. 22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him." 23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing." 25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. 27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 28 He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home. 29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.

Damned Benjamites

I am not a liberal, but a left leaning centrist, and I think a lot of the problems with these mass shootings lately, has nothing to do with gun control, but has everything to do with removing certain lessons in the Bible from use in society in general.. I am thinking, "Spare The Rod Spoil The Child" ...it is somewhat of an understatement.. spare the rod and you raise literal monsters capable of not knowing the value of human life and never "corrected" with the rod they value nothing as sacred and feel they can do as they wish cause they don't have the normal fear of God in them that keeps them from knowing right from wrong..

You are so right on the money Dane. The Bible shows what society should be. Man adapted that in this free society, but when man began to believe it was his own set of rules, he found it easy to abandon them. For without countability there is no justice.

A Levite and His Concubine
1 In those days Israel had no king. Now a Levite who lived in a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim took a concubine from Bethlehem in Judah. 2 But she was unfaithful to him. She left him and went back to her father's house in Bethlehem, Judah. After she had been there four months, 3 her husband went to her to persuade her to return. He had with him his servant and two donkeys. She took him into her father's house, and when her father saw him, he gladly welcomed him. 4 His father-in-law, the girl's father, prevailed upon him to stay; so he remained with him three days, eating and drinking, and sleeping there. 5 On the fourth day they got up early and he prepared to leave, but the girl's father said to his son-in-law, "Refresh yourself with something to eat; then you can go." 6 So the two of them sat down to eat and drink together. Afterward the girl's father said, "Please stay tonight and enjoy yourself." 7 And when the man got up to go, his father-in-law persuaded him, so he stayed there that night. 8 On the morning of the fifth day, when he rose to go, the girl's father said, "Refresh yourself. Wait till afternoon!" So the two of them ate together. 9 Then when the man, with his concubine and his servant, got up to leave, his father-in-law, the girl's father, said, "Now look, it's almost evening. Spend the night here; the day is nearly over. Stay and enjoy yourself. Early tomorrow morning you can get up and be on your way home." 10 But, unwilling to stay another night, the man left and went toward Jebus (that is, Jerusalem), with his two saddled donkeys and his concubine. 11 When they were near Jebus and the day was almost gone, the servant said to his master, "Come, let's stop at this city of the Jebusites and spend the night." 12 His master replied, "No. We won't go into an alien city, whose people are not Israelites. We will go on to Gibeah." 13 He added, "Come, let's try to reach Gibeah or Ramah and spend the night in one of those places." 14 So they went on, and the sun set as they neared Gibeah in Benjamin. 15 There they stopped to spend the night. They went and sat in the city square, but no one took them into his home for the night. 16 That evening an old man from the hill country of Ephraim, who was living in Gibeah (the men of the place were Benjamites), came in from his work in the fields. 17 When he looked and saw the traveler in the city square, the old man asked, "Where are you going? Where did you come from?" 18 He answered, "We are on our way from Bethlehem in Judah to a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim where I live. I have been to Bethlehem in Judah and now I am going to the house of the LORD. No one has taken me into his house. 19 We have both straw and fodder for our donkeys and bread and wine for ourselves your servants--me, your maidservant, and the young man with us. We don't need anything." 20 "You are welcome at my house," the old man said. "Let me supply whatever you need. Only don't spend the night in the square." 21 So he took him into his house and fed his donkeys. After they had washed their feet, they had something to eat and drink. 22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him." 23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing." 25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. 27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 28 He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home. 29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.

FInish the story Vinny!

FInish the story Vinny!

Jesus comes back.
He's pissed.
The world ends.
The end.

I am not a liberal, but a left leaning centrist, and I think a lot of the problems with these mass shootings lately, has nothing to do with gun control, but has everything to do with removing certain lessons in the Bible from use in society in general.. I am thinking, "Spare The Rod Spoil The Child" ...it is somewhat of an understatement.. spare the rod and you raise literal monsters capable of not knowing the value of human life and never "corrected" with the rod they value nothing as sacred and feel they can do as they wish cause they don't have the normal fear of God in them that keeps them from knowing right from wrong..

You are so right on the money Dane. The Bible shows what society should be. Man adapted that in this free society, but when man began to believe it was his own set of rules, he found it easy to abandon them. For without countability there is no justice.

A Levite and His Concubine
1 In those days Israel had no king. Now a Levite who lived in a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim took a concubine from Bethlehem in Judah. 2 But she was unfaithful to him. She left him and went back to her father's house in Bethlehem, Judah. After she had been there four months, 3 her husband went to her to persuade her to return. He had with him his servant and two donkeys. She took him into her father's house, and when her father saw him, he gladly welcomed him. 4 His father-in-law, the girl's father, prevailed upon him to stay; so he remained with him three days, eating and drinking, and sleeping there. 5 On the fourth day they got up early and he prepared to leave, but the girl's father said to his son-in-law, "Refresh yourself with something to eat; then you can go." 6 So the two of them sat down to eat and drink together. Afterward the girl's father said, "Please stay tonight and enjoy yourself." 7 And when the man got up to go, his father-in-law persuaded him, so he stayed there that night. 8 On the morning of the fifth day, when he rose to go, the girl's father said, "Refresh yourself. Wait till afternoon!" So the two of them ate together. 9 Then when the man, with his concubine and his servant, got up to leave, his father-in-law, the girl's father, said, "Now look, it's almost evening. Spend the night here; the day is nearly over. Stay and enjoy yourself. Early tomorrow morning you can get up and be on your way home." 10 But, unwilling to stay another night, the man left and went toward Jebus (that is, Jerusalem), with his two saddled donkeys and his concubine. 11 When they were near Jebus and the day was almost gone, the servant said to his master, "Come, let's stop at this city of the Jebusites and spend the night." 12 His master replied, "No. We won't go into an alien city, whose people are not Israelites. We will go on to Gibeah." 13 He added, "Come, let's try to reach Gibeah or Ramah and spend the night in one of those places." 14 So they went on, and the sun set as they neared Gibeah in Benjamin. 15 There they stopped to spend the night. They went and sat in the city square, but no one took them into his home for the night. 16 That evening an old man from the hill country of Ephraim, who was living in Gibeah (the men of the place were Benjamites), came in from his work in the fields. 17 When he looked and saw the traveler in the city square, the old man asked, "Where are you going? Where did you come from?" 18 He answered, "We are on our way from Bethlehem in Judah to a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim where I live. I have been to Bethlehem in Judah and now I am going to the house of the LORD. No one has taken me into his house. 19 We have both straw and fodder for our donkeys and bread and wine for ourselves your servants--me, your maidservant, and the young man with us. We don't need anything." 20 "You are welcome at my house," the old man said. "Let me supply whatever you need. Only don't spend the night in the square." 21 So he took him into his house and fed his donkeys. After they had washed their feet, they had something to eat and drink. 22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him." 23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing." 25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. 27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 28 He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home. 29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.

FInish the story Vinny!

I would if I could find the part that would explain, or somehow justify, the morality and ethics behind this 'so righteous' man's act of using his concubine as a "human shield" ... throwing her to the dogs to save his own ass, literally.

- with that kind of character, maybe he just murdered her himself and told his tribe that "them Damn Benjamites did it!" .... just sayin'

Common sense to me thinks that this growing trend of people who go on these suicidal mass shootings has something to do with the growing trends of people repeating the thought patterns that occur while playing violent video games where they fantasize about running around blasting away at, maiming and killing other beings like zombies, terrorists, or whatever. What a wonderful cultural innovation! As kids we played cowboys & Indians or Army with toy guns, imitating what we saw on TV ... but almost no one played that stuff after about age 12 or so. It sickening now, how many are growing into adulthood still playing these shoot'em up fantasies.

I agree that there are some parts of the bible, as well as writings from many other religions and philosophies, that can serve as positive guides to harmonious living.

Helping young people program their brains to kill things, with technologies comparable to that used in military simulations just seems moronic. Especially if you would say that it is not guns, but people that kill.

It is upping the odds that if when a brain goes wrong ... it can go soooo wrong!

Our family has had guns for every generation and we have yet to shoot anyone we didn't want to.

so among the few opinions thrown around here, regarding the Sandy Hook mass murder, we can boil it down to people that were noticed as being mentally unstable, or socially crippled, but not given the correct help by placing him in the mental asylum with padded walls, or perhaps Mr. Adam Lanza was not spanked or disciplined appropriately because of his wealthy parents not being around to monitor him, but rather the parents out making a fortune as a tax executive for General Electric, and teaching school.. or something else?.. the guy that shot up the movie theatre in Aurora, Colo. was from a wealthy educated family too, way above average as far as median incomes for the U.S.

Dane

you may be on to something. I also wonder what the impact is of the true 'gun culture.' I don't mean me and my southern pals - we never shoot anyone and we're all safety freaks. Many of us are vets and we know what guns can do.

I'm thinking of the folks who watch the mandated TWENTY THOUSAND shootings on tv that the average American sees by the time he/she is 18 years old. Of the many thousands of hours spent shooting people in computer games.

Add in psychotropic drugs (ritilen et al) and mix with a lot of 'poor me' type feelings of anger and you end up with these murderous freaks.

I'm still a little freaked out by this. I'm looking to the stork this Christmas, not Santa - expecting a little grandson. Yet I live in a world where he may be killed because some silly twit feels aggrieved. My God how did we get here?

Talbot