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#19767 by Guitaranatomy
Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:07 pm
Irminsul wrote:OK, if THIS doesn't scare Christians away from doing rap, nothing will...

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/74227/


Irminsul, you just ruined my entire morning... Today is my jam day and now I am traumatized, thanks! :evil: Lmao.

Holy crap, how in the flying f*ck do we go from "Big pimpin'!" to "Big fibbin'!" Bleh, darn, that was absolutely horrible. That should keep any Christian person away from rap, you know what, that should keep anyone away from rap. :lol:

No more posts like that, man. You are going to burn up whatever creativity I have left in my head with that crap. It'll just fry my brain cells.

They should have added this at the end: "Folks this has been a paid message from 'DON'T DO DRUGS AT ALL.ORG." Lmao, that is what happens to you if you do them, you become a bunch of religious rappers.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#19769 by neanderpaul
Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:10 pm
^ yep that was hilarious! OK Irminsul, at this point when you say
Irminsul wrote:But as I illustrated earlier, the very sonics of different music styles can have a brutal effect on the "message" of a given philosophy.
Martin Luther, the founder of Lutheranism and a large part of the Protestant movement, was a Bible scholar. And he said that being a rebel was being an enemy of God. So as you can see, this largely gets down to one's own interpration of the Bible. Thay's not my beef here. But I am saying that the energy involved in the metal/thrash/punk/rap styles is like antimatter to the Christian message, and the social context to what it has become in our society and many others around the world.


... at that point you decide what moods are invoked by a style of music, but everybody gets different emotions from different styles of music. This reminds me of a time in high school when I walked by a door that read "music theory" in my my uneducated position I thought. Well that means theories on the different moods that might be invoked when a person listens to different chord progressions, musical styles etc. Now that would be a theory. Instead of course it was about scales and modes that go with different keys and chord progressions. To me those are not theories they are facts. To me deciding what mood goes with what music is largely personal. Much like tastes in food are personal and vary widely. As far as Martin Luther saying being a rebel was being an enemy of God. He was a rebel when he nailed his message of the 99 or 100 things wrong with the catholic church on the door of the catholic church. And have you seen the bumper sticker that reads"Jesus was a liberal"? Isn't that a being a rebel?

irish anthony wrote:ok .....it looks like we have a "mexican standoff" a brewing....

this always happens when you bring "religion" into any exchange of ideas, this is a "music" site and here we are trying to solve divisions that have always troubled mankind from the very begining of life....


us and them........if your not one of us your one of them.......
if your one of them i have no time for you..........etc


"lord give me the strength to except the things i can not change"


I'll say what i said in another thread. Nobody has their panties in a wad so why not let the discussion run it's course? Most everybody here so far seems to be able to articulate their point of view without being hateful.

And concerning so called Christians saying one thing and doing another (I.E. Scott Stapp). That reminds me of the old saying I've heard about not going to worship because of the hypocrites there. "If you let hypocrites come between you and worshiping God who is closer to God?" I mean Stapp gets on my nerves for that garbage too, almost as much as his voice gets on my nerves, but I wouldn't let that deter me from following divine guidelines for how to live and worship the creator.

#19770 by neanderpaul
Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:27 pm
Steve Myke wrote:Can you rebel against rebels,when one consist of free will and the other doesn't.

Funny, that's what the bible calls what all people have - Free will.

#19771 by HowlinJ
Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:57 pm
Now there's an "F" word I can jive with.

Free ...... as in ,

free will ; free elections ; free choice ; free form jamming ; free Bandmix , all very good things indeed !

#19772 by Guitaranatomy
Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:03 pm
Howlin J, I think you like the word "Free." Lmao.

How about Free Bird? Good song, really was, lol.

Peace out, GuitarAnatomy.

#19785 by Irish Anthony
Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:34 pm
irish anthony wrote:ok .....it looks like we have a "mexican standoff" a brewing....

this always happens when you bring "religion" into any exchange of ideas, this is a "music" site and here we are trying to solve divisions that have always troubled mankind from the very begining of life....


us and them........if your not one of us your one of them.......
if your one of them i have no time for you..........etc


"lord give me the strength to except the things i can not change"


I'll say what i said in another thread. Nobody has their panties in a wad so why not let the discussion run it's course? Most everybody here so far seems to be able to articulate their point of view without being hateful.


i wasnt being hateful paul far from it amigo.....i was trying to prove that as much as religion brings people together it also divides people.....

"us and them"..is a phrase that has been used in ireland to describe the "troubles" in the north of ireland...ie catholic or protestant..its that black and white way of thinking.. your one or the other.. my fellow country men killed each other in the thousands over detalis like this....if you are catholic protestants are your enemy and vice versa, it has little or nothing at all to do with "god" but both sides nail there colours (green or orange) to the same cross..

during the mid 70,s there was ethnic cleansing of catholic areas by groups of protestants calling themselves the "resurection men" the deal was they drove around catholic areas and just "picked up" any males that happened to be around....they then drove to an old factory and tortured them to death for nothing more than being a catholic....and over time the catholic side(C.I.R.A...P.I.R.A...I.N.L.A.. and the REAL IRA) did just about as much damage to the other side and once the spiral of violence and "tit for tat" killings start it has very little to do with "god" and more to do with...if your father,mother,brother,sister or kids were killed by the other side it would make you want to pick up a weapon and kill the ones who have wronged you.....forgiveness is a trait that was in very short supply during the height of the irish troubles...

my point is this when you have an "us and them" problem ie muslim/christian...catholic/protestant.....israil/pallistine it has nothing to do with YOUR faith...but rather the faith that you are NOT.....
if you get my meaning..

#19787 by Irish Anthony
Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:37 pm
this has to be the best christian song i have ever heard...

click the link below and enjoy the video for "when the man comes around"...............
by the legend johnny cash....no gimics..no heavy guitars or breakbeats just the message and the melody delivered with conviction.

pure class.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtK-QCiD-FE

#19788 by 420freedom
Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:23 pm
That is funny,last time i checked up on that "book",it wants free will?but if you go against any of those special COMMANDments,you would be punished for eternity, cause that guy in the sky said so?,ha ha,some free will.I like jokes :),i also seen a small sticker in a bus shack about free will,but i was to busy smoking in it to care.I Shal not take advice from a complete stranger (and i mean complete) about how to live my one and only life on earth,so to be comletetly free,put that in it.Don't get me wrong faith is good for people who need it in life,but when they force bible versus on you,it is personal,we got enough damn advertisments in the world.
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#19789 by Craig Maxim
Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:41 pm
Steve Myke wrote: That is funny,last time i checked up on that "book",it wants free will?but if you go against any of those special COMMANDments,you would be punished for eternity, cause that guy in the sky said so?,ha ha,some free will.I like jokes :)



That's a really juvenile argument. We all have free will. Having free will doesn't remove consequences. I have free will to jump off a building without a parachute, but that doesn't mean that I won't go splat when I hit the ground. In America we have more freedoms than most any country in the world, and yet if I use my free speech to scream "Fire!!!" in a crowded theater, when there is no fire, I will go to jail as a result.

All freedoms come with responsibility, as well as consequences.

That is reality. To suggest that God should provide us free will without any consequences or responsibility is the real joke.

#19791 by 420freedom
Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:52 pm
Well no more listening to strangers in the park at night!,they say i'll get candy if i kill,lol.Well where i come from,its called common sense,freedom doesn't have highly guarded borders in most cases,i'll let my own hands and mind live and learn,and if you can't live and learn on your own your technically considered Mentally Challenged,LOL :lol: ,since when is Bush about freedom??!,ha ha ha,he must be foolin the whole world then,oh that guy.And if i were you i wouldn't want people to know that my political leader's kryptonite is a mini pretzal,he thinks all Canadians say "eh" at the end of each sentence LOL,best bet to do the COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF THAT GUY.oh,eh aboot.good good laughs

#19793 by Craig Maxim
Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:16 pm
Steve Myke wrote:Well no more listening to strangers in the park at night!,they say i'll get candy if i kill,lol.Well where i come from,its called common sense,freedom doesn't have highly guarded borders in most cases,i'll let my own hands and mind live and learn,and if you can't live and learn on your own your technically consider Mentally Challenged,LOL :lol: ,since when is Bush about freedom??!,ha ha ha,he must be foolin the whole world then,oh that guy.And if i were you i wouldn't want people to know that my political leader's kryptonite is a mini pretzal and he thinks all Canadians say "eh" at the end of each sentence LOL,best bet to do the COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF THAT GUY.oh,eh aboot.good good laughs



If verbal arguments were paintings, I may have just witnessed what a Salvador Dali argument would look like.

#19794 by 420freedom
Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:17 pm
Actually it was a written argument,thanks :),I'll use a ruler next time like yourself,LOL
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#19795 by Craig Maxim
Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:19 pm
Steve Myke wrote:Actually it was a written argument,thanks :)



I stand corrected.

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#19796 by 420freedom
Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:21 pm
You better not be comparing me to a neo nazi!,and don't be offended by facts,its not healthy,arts not my thing.I don't mind haveing my words compared to a painting without "'proper"' order or spaces
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