General Music Chat

As America quivels about the legalization of weed, many people do not understand the social underpinnings in that argument. We think its just a simple matter of being allowed to choose for our selves, what we ingest (under the veil of constitutional rights)

SO let suppose we step up the stakes here. ( Forget about weed for a moment, and pretend its no longer relevant in your lives.) Lets examine a community where heroin is the new priesthood for legalization...and yet, despite its social integration ( of significant scale) , its still not enough...

Enter the legally obtained zombie maker, necrotizer: Krokadil. Its free and its abundant.

The video below raises an important postulate: No matter whether a drug is legal or not, a society in pain will resort to finding relief, at the most economically cost- effective method that it can muster.

But, this says nothing about the actually economy. It says everything about the loss of moral compass, lack of faith in a God. As you know, economy is the result of human behavior, and human behavior is driven by what humans believe or don't believe.

The first sign of degradation begins when a society believes in a distribution of wealth. When the wealth is gone, and the walls are down, and you're left alone with no direction... Its members are left standing, vulnerable, helpless, and desperate. Perfect fodder for narco-terrorism.

Pay very careful attention folks. You have no idea just how good you have it with your THC diaries...

Please welcome and give it up for Russia, your new alternative future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featu ... sUH8llvTZo

Gee if I didn't know better I'd think you already wrote your magnum opus and quitting writing music since you have such a wide range of material at your finger tips. (sarcasm)

Keeps your eyes on the prize and don't start fires where you don't have the time to tend them.

I.e. What relevance is this to you? For that fact, why do we need to discuss this? Is this a breaking situation where you live? Not to be insolent but I have bigger fish to fry than this "sunny" at the moment.

Wouldn't this be better as a part of one of those pseudo-political rants that we already have>?

I think a major part of the drug problem is the misinformation spread by the early drug warriors.
Because of their lies, people often haven't take seriously the real harm of certain drugs.
I'll betcha if propaganda films like Reefer Madness hadn't been made there would've been fewer fatalities from the harder drugs.

Stupid people will do stupid sh*t.

Legislation is irrelevant at this level of human incompetence.

I got no issues with natural selection.

And if they come on my place looking to "finance" their stupidity . . .

I'm likely to do some selection of my own.

As America quivels about the legalization of weed, many people do not understand the social underpinnings in that argument. We think its just a simple matter of being allowed to choose for our selves, what we ingest (under the veil of constitutional rights)

SO let suppose we step up the stakes here. ( Forget about weed for a moment, and pretend its no longer relevant in your lives.) Lets examine a community where heroin is the new priesthood for legalization...and yet, despite its social integration ( of significant scale) , its still not enough...

Enter the legally obtained zombie maker, necrotizer: Krokadil. Its free and its abundant.

The video below raises an important postulate: No matter whether a drug is legal or not, a society in pain will resort to finding relief, at the most economically cost- effective method that it can muster.

But, this says nothing about the actually economy. It says everything about the loss of moral compass, lack of faith in a God. As you know, economy is the result of human behavior, and human behavior is driven by what humans believe or don't believe.

The first sign of degradation begins when a society believes in a distribution of wealth. When the wealth is gone, and the walls are down, and you're left alone with no direction... Its members are left standing, vulnerable, helpless, and desperate. Perfect fodder for narco-terrorism.

Pay very careful attention folks. You have no idea just how good you have it with your THC diaries...

Please welcome and give it up for Russia, your new alternative future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featu ... sUH8llvTZo

Coffee is the gateway drug .....

People been getting high since day one and will until the last day
"War On Drugs" is just another excuse for Big Govt power grabs to " protect " us.

People been getting high since day one and will until the last day
"War On Drugs" is just another excuse for Big Govt power grabs to " protect " us.

The war on drugs is simply a humungus money maker for the gov. It employs vast amounts of people.

People been getting high since day one and will until the last day
"War On Drugs" is just another excuse for Big Govt power grabs to " protect " us.

The war on drugs is simply a humungus money maker for the gov. It employs vast amounts of people.

Not to mention circulation of bazillions of dollars amongst lawyers via the injustice system.

This thread is not about "war on drugs" Its not about legislation. Look deeper here.... look down into the gaping hole and see the destruction of a social fiber.

MikeN has it right.... It's the ignorance, which underlies the arguments... that somehow, doing drugs is 'cool'. How cool is it to see your own skin rot and fall off? How desperate of a need to appear 'cool' does one have to be, to inject Eye Drops and dry out one's own vital organs. All this because its the "cool" thing to do? (Actually, the addiction is too deep at that stage to rationalize 'fashion' about it.)

But, that's the very same,mentality which modern arguments for weed, bear. Nobody gives a sh*t if its actually legal or not. Nobody gives a sh*t if it will stop Cartels or not. People want to change the chemistry in their existence, and to avoid scrutiny and criticism, they want you to believe that doing drugs is 'cool'.

America has many Parents, who feed their own kids recreational drugs... They do so because they want their kids to think of them as a "cool" friend. (How utterly tragic for those children.).

Ok...so why the point about "cool"? I raise this because, as Al Pacino in Devil's Advocate would say... "Vanity is my favorite sin" ... AN entire nation has been weigh-layed...becuase of that sin...

If you want to destroy a society (aka a country /government) , one sure-fire way to do it is through the mechanics of vanity. Start by telling the targets how shitty and worthless they are.... Then you offer relief by providing a form of escape from the persecution. (That begins by reinforcing and validating the targets' primal (social) needs...the foremost being "social acceptance".) Then you lock down that market with a binding element (drug addiction) so as to secure the target's dependancy on you...Thus handing over the power to you... Then, when they cant help themselves anymore, you distribute poison to kill them off. Bam! Country destroyed.

I've been around and I've never run into this yet.

I guess I just lead a sheltered life ??!!??!!

And I don't know anyone that does things "just to be cool" unless you count playing football.

(That was the cool thing to do from my part of the rear end of the US)

PS: "Injustice System".. that's either a great lyric or a band name right there.

I still say let the idiots kill themselves. Who cares.
You can lead a horse to water, but if he ain't smart enough to drink.
Get a smarter horse.

Why waist money "fighting" something people are going to do anyway?

Natural selection baby . . . f@#k em.

Zombie pills already exist. One of which is called Lithium.

Legalized drugs across the board has been done - research Potugal.

Drugs are an escape from pain.

You need morals and upright humans to reduce the pain triggers in society.
For that you need a religion - despite all of the evils that have taken place because of or in the name of religion.

When morality becomes a philosophy, you're f-ucked.

It 'has' become a philosophy - thus, we are f**k.

Zombie pills already exist. One of which is called Lithium.

Legalized drugs across the board has been done - research Potugal.

Drugs are an escape from pain.

You need morals and upright humans to reduce the pain triggers in society.
For that you need a religion - despite all of the evils that have taken place because of or in the name of religion.

When morality becomes a philosophy, you're f-ucked.

It 'has' become a philosophy - thus, we are f**k.

What?
Morality has ALWAYS been about philosophy.
Religion poked its nose into it, giving people mythologies and all that other baggage.
What, did you think Socrates was a Christian?

I've been around and I've never run into this yet.

I guess I just lead a sheltered life ??!!??!!

And I don't know anyone that does things "just to be cool" unless you count playing football.

(That was the cool thing to do from my part of the rear end of the US)

PS: "Injustice System".. that's either a great lyric or a band name right there.

Would make a dandy band name.

This thread is not about "war on drugs" Its not about legislation. Look deeper here.... look down into the gaping hole and see the destruction of a social fiber.

MikeN has it right.... It's the ignorance, which underlies the arguments... that somehow, doing drugs is 'cool'. How cool is it to see your own skin rot and fall off? How desperate of a need to appear 'cool' does one have to be, to inject Eye Drops and dry out one's own vital organs. All this because its the "cool" thing to do? (Actually, the addiction is too deep at that stage to rationalize 'fashion' about it.)

But, that's the very same,mentality which modern arguments for weed, bear. Nobody gives a sh*t if its actually legal or not. Nobody gives a sh*t if it will stop Cartels or not. People want to change the chemistry in their existence, and to avoid scrutiny and criticism, they want you to believe that doing drugs is 'cool'.

America has many Parents, who feed their own kids recreational drugs... They do so because they want their kids to think of them as a "cool" friend. (How utterly tragic for those children.).

Ok...so why the point about "cool"? I raise this because, as Al Pacino in Devil's Advocate would say... "Vanity is my favorite sin" ... AN entire nation has been weigh-layed...becuase of that sin...

If you want to destroy a society (aka a country /government) , one sure-fire way to do it is through the mechanics of vanity. Start by telling the targets how shitty and worthless they are.... Then you offer relief by providing a form of escape from the persecution. (That begins by reinforcing and validating the targets' primal (social) needs...the foremost being "social acceptance".) Then you lock down that market with a binding element (drug addiction) so as to secure the target's dependancy on you...Thus handing over the power to you... Then, when they cant help themselves anymore, you distribute poison to kill them off. Bam! Country destroyed.

Opium has been known in China since the 7th century and for centuries it was used for medicinal purposes. It was not until the middle of the 17th century that the practice of mixing opium with tobacco for smoking was introduced into China by Europeans. In 1729, its import was 200 chests, and by 1790 it amounted to over 4,000 chests (256 tonnes) annually. In 1858, about twenty years after the first opium war, the annual import rose to 70,000 chests (4,480 tonnes), approximately equivalent to global production of opium for the decade surrounding the year 2000. [1]

The first anti-opium edict was issued in 1729 enacting severe penalties on the sale of opium and the opening of opium-smoking divans. Similar laws were enacted in 1796 and 1800, the importation, however, continued to increase. British merchants brought opium from the British East India Company's factories in Patna and Benares,[2] in the Bengal Presidency of British India, to the coast of China, where they sold for a good profit.

With the drain of silver and the growing number of the people becoming victims of the drug, the Daoguang Emperor demanded action. Officials at the court, who advocated legalization of the trade in order to tax it were defeated by those who advocated suppression. In 1838, the Emperor sent Lin Zexu to Guangzhou where he quickly arrested Chinese opium dealers and summarily demanded that foreign firms turn over their stocks. When they refused, Lin stopped trade altogether and placed the foreign residents under virtual siege, eventually forcing the merchants to surrender their opium to be destroyed.

In response, the British government sent expeditionary forces from India which ravaged the Chinese coast and dictated the terms of settlement. The Treaty of Nanking not only opened the way for further opium trade, but ceded territory including Hong Kong, unilaterally fixed Chinese tariffs at a low rate, granted extraterritorial rights to foreigners in China which were not offered to Chinese abroad, a most favored nation clause, as well as diplomatic representation. When the court still refused to accept foreign ambassadors and obstructed the trade clauses of the treaties, disputes over the treatment of British merchants in Chinese ports and on the seas led to the Second Opium War and the Treaty of Tientsin.[3]

These treaties, soon followed by similar arrangements with the United States and France, later became known as the Unequal Treaties and the Opium Wars as the start of China's "Century of humiliation".

Bam! Who pulls the trigger?