General Music Chat

if deist means what I think it means, no.. since I believe it means a world based on evil & good, yes/no, or a world of a dualistic nature..

but good and evil are simply inventions of mankind (or their gods). For instance infidelity to some is considered a great evil, but to others is not evil, but simply a natural order. Murder out of anger, jealousy, or rage could be a natural order. Our understanding of good and evil are simply manifestations of our handed-down morals and laws.

We all have a sense of right and wrong, but assuming that there is definitive right and wrong, why don't we all agree on what is right and wrong? The answer is simply because there is no good and evil; only chaos and order.

well,
that's easy to say at a distance,
but good and evil are very real indeed, of course we all know this.
when the wolves are ripping your guts out,
or the local magistrate is raping your wife, try calling it good.
see if that makes it right with your soul.

what your referring to is tolerance and control, not morals.

everything happens for a reason, if my guts are getting ripped out by wolves would necessitate it being evil but only as "payback time"

well lucky for me
someone is going to pay on my behalf.

but more to the point, if you care to philosophize about your guts on the floor I suppose that's your affair
it is still an evil fate whether you had it coming or not.

oh, so when the fox spills the guts out on the poor hare, is that evil?

for the hare it certainly is,

if you believe in God and follow his testaments, he says do not judge? correct? so how can you be the judge and jury of what is evil and good if you are following the rules laid down by God in his various books and literature?

it is all very well to chat idly about survival of the fittest,
well, until their loading you and your son in the gas chamber.

if you believe in God and follow his testaments, he says do not judge? correct? so how can you be the judge and jury of what is evil and good if you are following the rules laid down by God in his various books and literature?

Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right? As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled to him on the way, or he may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison.
I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny."
Luke 12:57-59

if you believe in God and follow his testaments, he says do not judge? correct? so how can you be the judge and jury of what is evil and good if you are following the rules laid down by God in his various books and literature?

Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right? As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled to him on the way, or he may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison.
I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny."
Luke 12:57-59

I don't think Jesus acknowledged evil either, since his "turn the other cheek" teaching, to me anyways, says, I do not see the evil in you striking me and to prove it, take another punch if you like, it means nothing to me.. it is only the body, the real you and me is spirit clothed in a flesh shell

you could also imo apply the "off to the gas chambers" analogy to the "turn the other cheek" teaching but on a grander scale..

All eternal things require cloaks to represent them in the physical world.
because you cannot show an eternal.
you can only point to it's effect on the natural world.

what sort of explanation were you looking for?


I suppose I should add (for the uninitiated) that these effects are only registered on the soul,
it's quite stupid looking for sunburned fish on the bottom of the ocean.

and by "uninitiated" do you mean God has some sort of Secret Society to keep undesirables like me out if that uninitiated comment was aimed at me?

Yes.

The Buddha supposedly when he was in his severe and extreme "austerity" phase of his life could recall his past incarnations as both animals and as humans.. he almost starved himself to death but was awakened in a daydream to stop the nonsense..

All eternal things require cloaks to represent them in the physical world.
because you cannot show an eternal.
you can only point to it's effect on the natural world.

what sort of explanation were you looking for?


I suppose I should add (for the uninitiated) that these effects are only registered on the soul,
it's quite stupid looking for sunburned fish on the bottom of the ocean.

and by "uninitiated" do you mean God has some sort of Secret Society to keep undesirables like me out if that uninitiated comment was aimed at me?

Yes.

just as I thought

if you believe in God and follow his testaments, he says do not judge? correct? so how can you be the judge and jury of what is evil and good if you are following the rules laid down by God in his various books and literature?

Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right? As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled to him on the way, or he may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison.
I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny."
Luke 12:57-59

I don't think Jesus acknowledged evil either, since his "turn the other cheek" teaching, to me anyways, says, I do not see the evil in you striking me and to prove it, take another punch if you like, it means nothing to me.. it is only the body, the real you and me is spirit clothed in a flesh shell

actually in that culture to strike someone on the left cheek was how you indicated that the person being struck was inferior,
offering the right cheek was a way of saying treat me as an equal.

I always wanted to go to a Catholic High School to learn stuff like that, but there was not one around my little community by the Mormon Trace in Chariton, Iowa..

well you could always join the Church