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Nothing man can measure is ever going to be exact...but we can say with a high degree of confidence what we believe to be true. We don't know the exact mechanics of how life started but we have a pretty good idea it started in the ocean as a result of some energy input (lightning) interacting with chemicals. There are only four "letters" in the the DNA sequence, but they are arranged into a self-replicating order that although unlikely is possible. Every other thing that has ever lived came from that event. What we want to know is how common is life; if we even find slime growing on a rock on Titan it will have huge implications.

that is common assumption, but for quite a wile science believed the ether theory
now they believe a more convoluted version of the same thing. they know it's wrong but they're lost so they stick with it.

you cannot say how close you are to right until you know where the target is.
they will not know that until they prove something.
they believe that life came out of a pool.
but that is speculation based on the average water content in cells.
it could be totally wrong.

I suggest you read up on the debates between Einstein and Heisenberg
and Hindenburg's uncertainty theory.

it was not an attempt to explain the clumsiness of tools.
but a recognizing that particles could never be completely "aware" of each other
(an unfortunate term I know)

and that for there to be order in the universe they must have outside help.
the theory indicates total randomness in the system. and predicts in it self that the universe can't be in the state it now finds it self in.

Einstein was furious but in the end had to admit the phenomenon was in fact present.

mmmmmm ... maybe they are getting help from the Devil!

If evolution is real, and intelligence is an evolutionary advantage, then why do creationists still exist?

Explain that, Jimmy.

Evolution and creation don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Isn't adaptation to climate or environmental changes a hint of cosmic intelligence?

If there is a major shift in the computing landscape, computers do not self adjust and adapt. There is no awareness present.

If evolution is real, and intelligence is an evolutionary advantage, then why do creationists still exist?

Explain that, Jimmy.

I know you're joking but thought evolves too. Most educated people accept the Theory of Evolution as they do the Theory of Gravity. The Creationists will hang on but their numbers will dwindle as time passes.

If evolution is real, and intelligence is an evolutionary advantage, then why do creationists still exist?

Explain that, Jimmy.

I know you're joking but thought evolves too. Most educated people accept the Theory of Evolution as they do the Theory of Gravity. The Creationists will hang on but their numbers will dwindle as time passes.

I dont think its an "Either/Or" tought process. I fully embrace themerits of scientific explanation, while at the same time I maintain faith in certian things that science fails to explain. I'm still convinced that there are dimensions (and thus worlds) that exist right under our nose, but that are concealed by the physical filters that we are comprised of. Scienteist who rule out crationism altogether are not only missing the element of faith, but also they decline the element of hope, which in turn renders their perception of life as pessamistic. That's not a sin, but it suggests they are only capable of half the ability to test scientific theories.

If evolution is real, and intelligence is an evolutionary advantage, then why do creationists still exist?

Explain that, Jimmy.

I know you're joking but thought evolves too. Most educated people accept the Theory of Evolution as they do the Theory of Gravity. The Creationists will hang on but their numbers will dwindle as time passes.

I dont think its an "Either/Or" tough process. I fully embrace themerits of scientific explanation, while at the same time I maintain faith in certian things that science fails to explain. I'm still convinced that there are dimensions (and thus worlds) that exist right under our nose, but that are concealed by the physical filters that we are comprised of. Scienteist who rule out crationism altogether are not only missing the element of faith, but also they decline the element of hope, which in turn renders their perception of life as pessamistic. That's not a sin, but it suggests they are only capable of half the ability to test scientific theories.

I don't know why realism equates pessimism.
It is what it is, that's all.
Westerners sometimes equate Buddhism with pessimism, which is absurd.
Maybe you should try "The Zen of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert M. Pirsig or "The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Capra.

If evolution is real, and intelligence is an evolutionary advantage, then why do creationists still exist?

Explain that, Jimmy.

I know you're joking but thought evolves too. Most educated people accept the Theory of Evolution as they do the Theory of Gravity. The Creationists will hang on but their numbers will dwindle as time passes.

I dont think its an "Either/Or" tough process. I fully embrace themerits of scientific explanation, while at the same time I maintain faith in certian things that science fails to explain. I'm still convinced that there are dimensions (and thus worlds) that exist right under our nose, but that are concealed by the physical filters that we are comprised of. Scienteist who rule out crationism altogether are not only missing the element of faith, but also they decline the element of hope, which in turn renders their perception of life as pessamistic. That's not a sin, but it suggests they are only capable of half the ability to test scientific theories.

I don't know why realism equates pessimism.
It is what it is, that's all.
Westerners sometimes equate Buddhism with pessimism, which is absurd.
Maybe you should try "The Zen of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert M. Pirsig or "The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Capra.

Its pessimism when you define only half of realism (which you seem to be doing) Did you know that an integral part of reality, necessarily includes faith. As you said, it is what it is...Thus faith is just as valid as non-faith in the 'real' universe.

Pessimism is a function of view and its orientation . Cynicism, allows us willfully practice the view of pessimism.

I don't mean this in any way as an insult, but you strike me as a very hardened cynic. But all that means is that you have found a specific way to cope with the reality that you perceive.

What you perceive runs a risk of getting trapped into any variety of myths that society throws at us. The minute you believe in any one or more of those myths, is the minute you are inclined to abandon cynicism and obtain some faith in something. And that's just as much a realism as maintaining hard cynicism is

As for Zen... It teaches us connection with the univers. Its the manual on How it connects. It doesnt proclaim itself as a governing religion...y Christianity does... (I actually think the two pair up nicely to explain and engage the scientifically unexplanable )

If evolution is real, and intelligence is an evolutionary advantage, then why do creationists still exist?

Explain that, Jimmy.

I know you're joking but thought evolves too. Most educated people accept the Theory of Evolution as they do the Theory of Gravity. The Creationists will hang on but their numbers will dwindle as time passes.

Evolutionary theory itself depends on a Creator at some point.


It's called "theory" because it can't be proven. The second law of thermodynamics is established and proven, which makes evolutionary theory impossible.

Throw a fish on the beach every day for billions of years and it isn't going to grow legs and walk. It's going to die and rot.



So, for all your talk, guys, your faith in evolutionary theory requires much more presumption than Creation does.

Evolutionary theory itself depends on a Creator at some point..

WRONG

It's called "theory" because it can't be proven..

WRONG

Throw a fish on the beach every day for billions of years and it isn't going to grow legs and walk. It's going to die and rot..

Clearly, evolutionary theory escapes you.

So, for all your talk, guys, your faith in evolutionary theory requires much more presumption than Creation does.

WRONG

"It's called "theory" because it can't be proven."

So by your logic the Theory of Gravity is a theory because it can't be proven? Really??

Go jump out of an airplane with no parachute, you will have all the proof you need.

Again, nearly all educated people accept evolution as truth. They know that the word 'theory' does not mean 'made up' or 'invented'.

All you have to do is explain why evolutionary THEORY is not compatible with the laws of physics, specifically the second law of thermodynamics.

Then you will no longer be cheerleaders for the blind.



If everything started from one cell (as the THEORY presumes) then there would be millions of cases of one species turning into another.

The word "theory" has different meanings. When speaking of gravity, it's like music theory. When speaking of evolution it's like "We're making our best guess and working backwards through that"

Way too many holes in this theory.



Like I said, it takes more faith to believe that goo turned into a fish than I have.




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All you have to do is explain why evolutionary THEORY is not compatible with the laws of physics, specifically the second law of thermodynamics.

Then you will no longer be cheerleaders for the blind.



If everything started from one cell (as the THEORY presumes) then there would be millions of cases of one species turning into another.

The word "theory" has different meanings. When speaking of gravity, it's like music theory. When speaking of evolution it's like "We're making our best guess and working backwards through that"

Way too many holes in this theory.



Like I said, it takes more faith to believe that goo turned into a fish than I have.




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You've shown a lack of basic understanding of the word THEORY in usage of scientific terminology.
Go back to elementary school.
Your arguments are invalid.