General Music Chat

well I said "idea" not theory.
but lets not get distracted.

you used the word testing ground.
test for what? if this isn't actually life, then how do I know I based my choice on the right thing?

You base your choices on guidance, provided by some perceived authority, which in turn sets the benchmark. FOr example, the 10 commandments...The teachings of Christ, etc. If you choose not to murder another person, you chose, based on guidance, PLUS ultimately on what your conscious directs you toward. Your subsequent action is the function of free will.


I don't subscribe to the notion that life is 'a 'proving ' ground. We have been given salvation freely, without the need to qualify it, Nothing to prove to anybody...

But how about a 'testing ground', that allows us to make mistakes, learn, rectify and prepare ourselves with a valuable orientation toward a better, perfect life. I am told that only perfection can enter into the realm of a perfect heaven. But, We aren't perfect, nor can we become perfect (while here on Earth) Therefore, how can we possibly enter such a realm of perfection, and yet, be told we are saved?

(Even winning the lottery requires some responsible followup...) In our choices here, right or wrong, we are in constant preparation for the big payoff, later

then something about eliminating the right to complain. where would the dead go to complain? who would they complain to? if people shouldn't bother complaining in the 1st place why go to all this trouble to keep them from doing so?

I dunno... if you won the lottery, how much complaining could you really do ?

would you like the fundamental version?

nobody likes it.

Evolutionists, explain how the behaviour of Lemmings fits in with the idea of adapting and evolving to survive.
Creationists, explain Lemmings.

Not EVERY mutation is necessarily beneficial to survival.
Like cancer.
Everything alive now is the surviving offspring of it's predecessors.
I believe that about 90% of all species that ever lived are now extinct.
Someone could look that up.
But, I think it's about right.

I'm gonna give it to ya any way.

there is no perfecting the flesh, it is as you see it.

your actions that have given offense are the imperfection that God cannot abide.

you of course learn to act better when properly motivated,

but what ever shall we do about all those debts?

I mean the lies the deceits the thefts and not to mention those acts contemplated or carried out to use others for a physical gratification.
which is of course a from of slavery.
these have to be accounted for.
some one has to pay

can you pay for them and survive it?
yes? well thats a gamble i prefer not to take.
not when someone has payed in my stead.

the sacrifice.

that's it.
that all there is to it.
it's payed for
you are perfect.

but I wouldn't go about abusing the privilege.
God has limits even for those he loves.

Evolutionists, explain how the behaviour of Lemmings fits in with the idea of adapting and evolving to survive.
Creationists, explain Lemmings.

Not EVERY mutation is necessarily beneficial to survival.
Like cancer.
Everything alive now is the surviving offspring of it's predecessors.
I believe that about 90% of all species that ever lived are now extinct.
Someone could look that up.
But, I think it's about right.

it's a rodent
what else about a lemmings confuses you?

Evolutionists, explain how the behaviour of Lemmings fits in with the idea of adapting and evolving to survive.
Creationists, explain Lemmings.

Not EVERY mutation is necessarily beneficial to survival.
Like cancer.
Everything alive now is the surviving offspring of it's predecessors.
I believe that about 90% of all species that ever lived are now extinct.
Someone could look that up.
But, I think it's about right.

I thought Darwin's main premise was "this is how things get better"?
Thus, the 'evolving' part of evolution.

Nay?

from wiki
if that floats your boat.

Lemmings became the subject of a popular misconception that they commit mass suicide when they migrate. It is not a mass suicide, but the result of their migratory behavior. Driven by strong biological urges, some species of lemmings may migrate in large groups when population density becomes too great. Lemmings can swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat. In such cases, many may drown if the body of water is so wide as to stretch their physical capability to the limit. This fact, combined with the unexplained fluctuations in the population of Norwegian lemmings, gave rise to the misconception.[9]

Ok, but I've seen videos of them piling off of cliffs. Pre Internet.

Evolutionists, explain how the behaviour of Lemmings fits in with the idea of adapting and evolving to survive.
Creationists, explain Lemmings.

Not EVERY mutation is necessarily beneficial to survival.
Like cancer.
Everything alive now is the surviving offspring of it's predecessors.
I believe that about 90% of all species that ever lived are now extinct.
Someone could look that up.
But, I think it's about right.

I thought Darwin's main premise was "this is how things get better"?
Thus, the 'evolving' part of evolution.

Nay?

I've never read Darwin.
But, my understanding of evolution is that everything mutates as it reproduces.
That's why you're not a clone of your parents.
Some mutations are beneficial and even increase the likelihood of survival.
Like being immune to a disease.
If a disease wiped out a population (like the Black Plague or something), the people & animals immune to it would survive.
The survivors pass that immunity onto their offspring.
That's evolution in a nutshell.

Like, Lysol kills 99% of germs right?
Well, that last 1% gets to live on, reproduce, and mutate.
Then, eventually you get superbugs like flesh-eating bacteria and stuff.

Ok, but I've seen videos of them piling off of cliffs. Pre Internet.

If you mean those Disney documentaries, they were staged.
Crewmen THREW lemmings off the cliff when they wouldn't cooperate.

I don't know if they were Disney or not.
It was sometime in public school.
Public schools couldn't possibly be wrong, right?

If you really want understand evolution read Ernst Mayr.

I don't know if they were Disney or not.
It was sometime in public school.
Public schools couldn't possibly be wrong, right?

Where people are involved there's always the possibility of being wrong.

They showed us a "documentary" in school once that claimed listening to the Beatles, ZZ Top, and Eric Clapton would make you do LSD, cocaine and weed.

The argument between Evolution and creationism will not be resolved in our lifetimes.

That argument has been over for decades.
Creationists just refuse to accept the evidence when it is presented to them.

That's not an argument.

It's living in denial.

I'm a creationist...But I also see the merit of science. I can see evidence on both sides. Is your biased feeling against creationists bordering on a prejudiced view point about the issue?

The argument may be over for you and me perhaps...But all the world- class scholars are still after an answer.

I don't know what "world-class" scholars you're referring to.
Pat Robertson?
But, the scientific community accepts evolutionary theory as concretely as gravitational theory.
You believe in gravity, don't you?

Yes.
I have a bias.
I prefer the truth over what just sounds good.
Creationism is on par with flat-earthers.
Believe it or not, some people refuse to believe that Earth is round (well, sorta egg-shaped).
I was watching a muslim in the Middle East on TV actually arguing this with a scientist on some Arab TV program.
Amazing.

Well Mike, World Class scholars such as Stephan Hawking, who spent quite a bit of his genius mind exploring the issue. Then there is just about every philosopher since Socrates/Plato, who has respectively, in their own capacities, explored the issue... Then, pretty much every professor of Physics, (in pretty much every reputable university in the world) and then of course, the fabulous Wikipedia

I acknowledge that gravity exists, but I don't necessarily 'believe" in it.

As for Flat -Earthers, I'm not one of them because I am thoroughly convinced that the Earth is an octagon