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I'm curious....how would you explain the term "Christian Punk"? Punk music was a severe and violent reaction to mainstream music and society; they used shock lyrics, loud abrasive music and shocking public acts of the band members to get their point across. They are anti-pop, anti-mainstream, anti-establishment, anti-government (often anarchist) and definitely anti-religion. Christianity, on the other hand, is a part of the mainstream, and it rejects violence and antisocial shock behavior.

I'm sincerely interested in your take on this.

By the way, please upload some audio samples. That may answer my question.

Irminsul, you asked what I was thinking as well..

Clay Rock, word up mano...
defend yourself!

lol giggle.

Let help you guys out. Punk is now just a style of clothing and hair and to a small degree music; back in the day it was a political and social statement, as well as a lifestyle. This was dead by 1980, but kids continued to adopt the fashion, thus making things like "Christian Punk" possible.

I'm curious....how would you explain the term "Christian Punk"? Punk music was a severe and violent reaction to mainstream music and society; they used shock lyrics, loud abrasive music and shocking public acts of the band members to get their point across. They are anti-pop, anti-mainstream, anti-establishment, anti-government (often anarchist) and definitely anti-religion. Christianity, on the other hand, is a part of the mainstream, and it rejects violence and antisocial shock behavior.

I'm sincerely interested in your take on this.

By the way, please upload some audio samples. That may answer my question.

Christians can be severe in their music. Not all punk is violent or anti Christian. I am a dedicated Christian and some of my music rocks out. My song Jackson is severe - severely weird. In today's music scenes proclaiming to be a Christian IS a shocker. As a matter of fact the bible says Christians are "a peculiar people." That is not mainstream. However I do not make Christian music with instruments, only A Capella. I'll address that can of worms in the new religious discussion post by the new member True_Calling. And Irminsul, he has a track in the audio/video section on his profile. It's called stand strong.

Let help you guys out. Punk is now just a style of clothing and hair and to a small degree music; back in the day it was a political and social statement, as well as a lifestyle. This was dead by 1980, but kids continued to adopt the fashion, thus making things like "Christian Punk" possible.

OK, that looks to me like both terms have almost entirely lost their meaning, or at least have become convuluted to the point of near irrecognizability upon meshing. That makes sense.

Christians can be severe in their music. Not all punk is violent or anti Christian. I am a dedicated Christian and some of my music rocks out. My song Jackson is severe - severely weird. In today's music scenes proclaiming to be a Christian IS a shocker. As a matter of fact the bible says Christians are "a peculiar people." That is not mainstream. However I do not make Christian music with instruments, only A Capella. I'll address that can of worms in the new religious discussion post by the new member True_Calling. And Irminsul, he has a track in the audio/video section on his profile. It's called stand strong.

Thanks for the info on the song, Paul. Maybe he just put it up because I didn't see any when I first checked it out.

"Severe" isn't necessarily "punk" to me. There are lots of severe forms of music that don't carry the punk history/ideology with it. And something else I have to disagree with is the notion that Christianity is a peculiar thing in today's society. In fact, it is the most practiced religion in America and the west today, by an overwhelming margin. It would be fair to say it is the mainstream religion. Back to my original query, I'm having a hard time reconciling those two factors in a sensible way.

Believe me it doesn't stop there - locally we even have a "Christian Hate Metal" band. I REALLY cannot wrap my mind around that one.

Thanks for your comments guys...and I sure would like to hear the take of the young man who started the thread

^ I was just quoting your word severe from your first post Irminsul. Punk can be just a reaction to arena rock. I.E. Journey. It could be musically aggressive, simplistic, urgent and have "that sound". I still call the Ramones punk and you could surely make a Ramones style song with a Christian theme or message. As far as Christianity being mainstream. Yes, what people commonly call Christianity is mainstream, but actually following Christ isn't. It's sort of like having a repair manual for a Toyota and deciding it really doesn't mean you have to change the oil every 5000 miles. Every 50,000 is just fine. At that point you are not a certified Toyota tech even though you might wear a badge that says you are. The manual still says every 5,000 miles. As for the Christian Hate metal band you heard about..... WHAT is up with THAT?!!?!?!?! Sounds mutually exclusive to me. Unless maybe they pull from the God hates sin thing. Hmmmm. And I too would like to hear the take from Clay Rock.

And I do agree with Jimmy Danger's comment. BTW dig the name Mr. Danger!

i must say the whole "Christian" scene here in america amazes me..

and dont get me wrong i would never knock anyones "faith", once no one is getting hurt i think people should be able to worship whoever or whatever they like...im a "roman catholic" (as is most of the population of the republic of ireland) and considered a "christian" by default.
i have no axe to grind with muslims,jews,zen,hindu or any other faith out there but only in america have i seen this..."my god is better than your god"....type of faith...and it sickens me.

it has long been a trick of christianity to impose its beliefs on people(just ask the spanish),and if you dont fall in line your killed or castout...
a kind of join us or else...type of thing that is rife in many faiths.

but alass back to my point..i was amazed to find out there are ..punk,deathmetal,rap and hard rock "christian" acts...it seems like only a few years(70,s) ago in amercia they were burning "beatles" albums after the "more popular than jesus" gaff by lennon..the god squad went balistic...and the trial aginst "judas priest" that there message "do it" was in the record if you play it backwards after two kids blew there heads off..
and not to forget the "manson" link to the columbine mass killings it seems that the "christians" are only to happy to blame everything on the "devils" music...

so somebody please explain... because i fail to see how now for some reason its OK...to play the devils music..

o man, I can see where this threads goin...

I had some best band friends in the 90's where they formed an
anarchy movement . Violent slam dancing as I joined them at a Holloween Club Date. My style of Clothing was replaced by the Full
Armor of God Broadcast at Tri- Rock Radio website. I lashed out and moved to Christian Thrash Metal. On stage one night I solo danced
to a Metal band. At this time Punk or the bands I could mention, were
all the Rave. So Punk made a historic place and movement that is
Christian in Contempory in forms of own.

Anthony I guess I'm with you on this one. I don't believe in bashing other peoples' religions either, but this thing still doesn't compute in my head. It looks to me like some are taking two popular music ideologies (Christian music, Punk music) and just banging them together to create a double appeal, regardless of the fact that its so self cancelling.

And a quick note on the American religion thing. I have travelled around the world, lived for a while in Europe and Asia, and I have to tell you that I have come to view my own country's way of expressing religion as very strange. In America its very much on peoples' sleeves, in your face as it were. Almost like a weapon. I didn't see this in other places, but then again I never lived in any hard core Muslim countries either so I would expect it is much the same. When I was in Japan, I saw that many of them were devout Shinto Buddhist practitioners but they never talked about it as regular conversation, or tried to make converts. It was simply a way of life, you practiced it quietly and as a normal part of a daily routine, and went on with your life.

The American take on it is likely a product of our evangelical, puritan past. A sociologist would no doubt have a field day in writing comparison papers on this topic.

I don't believe in bashing other peoples' religions either

From the Christian Music, Secular World post.

I've been in a bar!

Come SAAAAAAAaaaaaAAAAAaaAAAAAAAve me-uh!

From the sabbath post

Ah Feel HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAL -duh!!!!!

I agree, Irminsul. I am proud of my religion, but I barely want to mention it, let alone rub it in peoples faces. Now I understand people wanting to be proud, that is alright, if you truly believe in what you feel then you have every right to want to be proud. On the contrary, people who try to convert others I strictly do not like being around. I must say, I had many friends who were Christian (Baptist I think), very nice people, but the problem came in when they started telling me I was going to Hell for not praying to Jesus. That pissed me off beyond all belief, but my mother taught me to be respectful (I only got into a fight about it once). She was right, it was not worth the argument, but it did not mean I could not be mad. Lol.

I do not like that -- people should mind their own business. Everyone has a right to believe what they want, but no one has the right to impose it on others.

So yeah, that is my take on this. Now of course, let me make it clear to everyone, I mean no offense by my words. Just stating my opinion on the matter at hand.

Let me just state one thing I have learned: People who impose, hate, and judge people by their religion are no good. For example, in this country we all know that the Muslim community is taking a serious hit because of what is happening with factions over in other countries. Now come on, why are we mad at every Muslim person for what factions, and I repeat, factions, did? That just pisses me off, you pick the specific people who did it and be mad at them, not everyone of their skin color, religion, look, etc...

Hate is what buried this world way more than once and it, as we can all see, might again.


Let peace reign over hate, GuitarAnatomy.

I don't believe in bashing other peoples' religions either

From the Christian Music, Secular World post.

I've been in a bar!

Come SAAAAAAAaaaaaAAAAAaaAAAAAAAve me-uh!

From the sabbath post

Ah Feel HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAL -duh!!!!!

C'mon, Paul, let Irminsul have some fun. God knows he gets to have so little lol.

For the record, I am agnostic, which means I don't have enough info to decide if there's a God. It's most likely not proveable, so atheists have the same problem religious folks do - they think they know.