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#194653 by Planetguy
Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:20 pm
VinnyViolin wrote:
I remember the "blue eyed soul" part of his career ... but I missed his Afro haired Sly Stone phase ... oh, wait, you must have posted the Sly vid twice to see if we were noticing! :lol:



http://youtu.be/ZmqeZxeRDFQ ... Rainey or Brock??


too close to call for me.

http://youtu.be/gp85RALyx4Y ... Babbitt over Sly Dunbar?


well, that sounds like the original bass line from the song...sly wasn't credited as one of the bassplayers on the album. i do NOT like that remix version AT ALL.

vinny, are you familiar w the original unraped version? i always thought it was super cool that they pulled off a great reggae vibe w bass, drums, piano, and organ.....and NO guitar(s).

those 70's r.p. albums are some the funkiest shite around and have some of the coolest and funniest album covers.

a tune from the Pressure Drop album that i'm pretty sure has James Jamison laying down the bass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Uqq0QE ... re=related

#194669 by VinnyViolin
Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:41 pm
Planetguy wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:


I remember the "blue eyed soul" part of his career ... but I missed his Afro haired Sly Stone phase ... oh, wait, you must have posted the Sly vid twice to see if we were noticing! :lol:



http://youtu.be/ZmqeZxeRDFQ ... Rainey or Brock??


too close to call for me.

http://youtu.be/gp85RALyx4Y ... Babbitt over Sly Dunbar?


well, that sounds like the original bass line from the song...sly wasn't credited as one of the bassplayers on the album. i do NOT like that remix version AT ALL.

vinny, are you familiar w the original unraped version? i always thought it was super cool that they pulled off a great reggae vibe w bass, drums, piano, and organ.....and NO guitar(s).

those 70's r.p. albums are some the funkiest shite around and have some of the coolest and funniest album covers.

a tune from the Pressure Drop album that i'm pretty sure has James Jamison laying down the bass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Uqq0QE ... re=related
That's a nice cool groove from Pressure Drop.

I was a big fan of Little Feat and the Meters, so I was into Palmer's 1st album with them, and Dupree, Edwards, Tee, Purdie, when it 1st came out .. even that quintessential hippie Stevie Winwood was on there.

By the time Double Fun came out ... the songs were getting to schmaltzy for my tastes. After that .... well, my interests were focusing more on stuff like Anthony Braxton, Tibetan monk chants and Morton Subotnick by then anyway.

I don't think I have heard the original "unraped" version. Reggae played without guitar is not unheard of. The function of the guitar in reggae is typically to play the rhythm part that would normally be played by a drum in a Nyabingi drum ensemble. It's ok if that role is assigned to another instrument.

I doubt Palmer felt that Perry "raped" his track ... Lee Perry is renown for his idiosyncratic approach to mixing and Palmer would have been keenly aware of that style and been intentionally seeking it, to have worked with Perry at all! He probably had this record in mind when pondering the possibility ... http://youtu.be/NW-SED1UoZE

Sly Dunbar is a drummer ... (also not credited on the album.) He did lot's of work with Perry around this time. Perry is also well known to reuse rhythm tracks from older songs to record new parts to, to make new songs. Sounds like they might have been working from a Sly Dunbar drum track, without Robbie Shakespeare's bass part, for Babbitt or whomever to lay Palmer's song's bassline down. Not many US studio drummers could do a convincing "Sly Dunbar" back in those days.

Are familiar with Ernest Ranglin? http://youtu.be/y6zm1FFrCk8

#194675 by Planetguy
Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:32 pm
VinnyViolin wrote:
I don't think I have heard the original "unraped" version. Reggae played without guitar is not unheard of. The function of the guitar in reggae is typically to play the rhythm part that would normally be played by a drum in a Nyabingi drum ensemble. It's ok if that role is assigned to another instrument.


no, not unheard of...but pretty rare and unusual.

I doubt Palmer felt that Perry "raped" his track ... Lee Perry is renown for his idiosyncratic approach to mixing and Palmer would have been keenly aware of that style and been intentionally seeking it, to have worked with Perry at all!


well, i don't know about RP seeking it but i'm sure he was happy someone thought enough of the tune to warrant the attention and give the song a second life and perhaps introduce it to some folks who missed it the first time around. i didn't mean to be too harsh w the "rape" comment but honestly i don't think the remix adds anything interesting or worthwhile to the original and the steel drums (or ersatz steel drums) are pretty weak imo. i wish the original was avail on youtube for you to compare 'em. anyway...as is usually the case...different strokes for different blokes.

He probably had this record in mind when pondering the possibility ... http://youtu.be/NW-SED1UoZE


cool tune...real early '70's vibe w the echoplex type bits that was such a signature part of the picture back then.

Sly Dunbar is a drummer ...


yeah, of course. i was thinking of his rhythm cohort robbie.


Are familiar with Ernest Ranglin? http://youtu.be/y6zm1FFrCk8


yeah, but i never heard him play that outside before! very cool. i kept waiting for those guys to break into "Caravan".

you hip to any of the stuff Monty Alexander did w Othello Molineaux?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yc7FqpEo4Q

#194677 by VinnyViolin
Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:08 pm
Planetguy wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
I don't think I have heard the original "unraped" version. Reggae played without guitar is not unheard of. The function of the guitar in reggae is typically to play the rhythm part that would normally be played by a drum in a Nyabingi drum ensemble. It's ok if that role is assigned to another instrument.


no, not unheard of...but pretty rare and unusual.

I doubt Palmer felt that Perry "raped" his track ... Lee Perry is renown for his idiosyncratic approach to mixing and Palmer would have been keenly aware of that style and been intentionally seeking it, to have worked with Perry at all!


well, i don't know about RP seeking it but i'm sure he was happy someone thought enough of the tune to warrant the attention and give the song a second life and perhaps introduce it to some folks who missed it the first time around. i didn't mean to be too harsh w the "rape" comment but honestly i don't think the remix adds anything interesting or worthwhile to the original and the steel drums (or ersatz steel drums) are pretty weak imo. i wish the original was avail on youtube for you to compare 'em. anyway...as is usually the case...different strokes for different blokes.

He probably had this record in mind when pondering the possibility ... http://youtu.be/NW-SED1UoZE


cool tune...real early '70's vibe w the echoplex type bits that was such a signature part of the picture back then.

Sly Dunbar is a drummer ...


yeah, of course. i was thinking of his rhythm cohort robbie.


Are familiar with Ernest Ranglin? http://youtu.be/y6zm1FFrCk8


yeah, but i never heard him play that outside before! very cool. i kept waiting for those guys to break into "Caravan".

you hip to any of the stuff Monty Alexander did w Othello Molineaux?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yc7FqpEo4Q

I guess I musta did hear the album version ... but not since about 30 years ago.

I do not hear any steel drums at all in Perry's mix. Maybe you are referring to the slightly out of tune upright piano?

I wasn't too crazy about steel drums in the Othello Molineaux track , I'm not to big a fan of steeldrums outside of pan ensembles though, so ... :lol:

Anyways, probably Shakespeare on bass after all :

"Love Can Run Faster - Robert Palmer

The story goes that the suave Robert Palmer went down to Jamaica in 1977 to record some tracks with Lee Perry, attracted by the exotic nature of Scratch's productions. Sadly, the week that Palmer spent at the Black Ark saw him getting constantly hassled by some of the dread deadbeats who were hanging around the studio by this time.

"These guys come around wearing robes and they've got magic wands and sh*t," recalled Palmer. "I'm doing vocals and one stands in front of the mic and starts doing this weird dance. I thought it was f**k ridiculous, but I couldn't laugh because it would have been an insult. And Lee's looking at me grinning...he was like 'I can't do anything about these hangers-on. I'm sorry, I think it's ridiculous, too.'"

The only song to be issued from Palmer's Black Ark sessions is the wonderful "Love Can Run Faster". Palmer's sultry vocals sit on top of a suitably laid back Black Ark rhythm with Scratch's wife Pauline providing backing vocals. (Apparently Pauline was cooking some dumplings in the kitchen and Scratch called her in to record at a moment's notice. She dusted the flour off her hands, quickly recorded her line, and then headed back to the kitchen!) Palmer re-cut the song for his Double Fun album and the original Perry production eventually was released as the B-side of "Bad Case Of Loving You", thus ensuring that it would remain obscure to everyone except serious Scratch fans.

Despite the ill-fated nature of his recording session, Palmer certainly enjoyed working with Scratch. "I've been asked who is my favourite producer and it's definitely him. He was just this magnet for a scene that was the real musical cutting edge."

#194680 by VinnyViolin
Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:55 pm
Here is Lee Perry working in his Black Ark studio approximately about the year Palmer recorded there. Roland Space Echo RE-201 used to be favored effect, but by this time, he's putting everything through a Mutron Bi-Phase as well. http://youtu.be/y651C7aNXRc

#194682 by Canplayandsing
Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:26 pm
I enjoyed that lol.

#194734 by Starfish Scott
Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:02 pm
LOve the robert Palmer thiing..so weird to hear this..wow that guy can really sing..

I just hear "addicted to love" in my head so much I just want it to stop. lol
That and the TRex thing.."bang a gong".

Aww you made my brain burp.. Yes, I hear the Steve Winwood as well.

That's one I admire deeply, Mr. Winwood.
That mfer has played with evvvvvvveryone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vReD2zryQmA

#194790 by Planetguy
Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:12 pm
VinnyViolin wrote:Here is Lee Perry working in his Black Ark studio approximately about the year Palmer recorded there. Roland Space Echo RE-201 used to be favored effect, but by this time, he's putting everything through a Mutron Bi-Phase as well. http://youtu.be/y651C7aNXRc


that story about RP trying to cut his trk w the that stuff going on around him is hilarious.

i enjoyed watching that video of him working in his studio...pretty sure i got a contact buzz from it. :lol:

#194791 by Planetguy
Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:12 pm
hey scottie (and anyone else)....i'd be happy to get you copies of some of those funkybutt RP albums from the '70's. email me a note w your snail mail address and i'll get 'em down the road to ya.

#194793 by Starfish Scott
Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:19 pm
Rgr that.. I see your email.

I'll send you a short note this evening..(make mental note to send Planet an email. rgr that and thank you)

#194805 by VinnyViolin
Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:07 pm
Planetguy wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:Here is Lee Perry working in his Black Ark studio approximately about the year Palmer recorded there. Roland Space Echo RE-201 used to be favored effect, but by this time, he's putting everything through a Mutron Bi-Phase as well. http://youtu.be/y651C7aNXRc


that story about RP trying to cut his trk w the that stuff going on around him is hilarious.

i enjoyed watching that video of him working in his studio...pretty sure i got a contact buzz from it. :lol:


Yeah! ... the guy in the robe with the wand doesn't sound any weirder than what I would expect from Perry himself anyways though.

Besides the local hanger-ons, there were eventually hanger-on fanatics from Germany speaking no English ... un able to shoo them away, Perry started a fire on the roof of the studio and then came running in yelling Fire, Fire! That got rid of the hanger-ons ... but when he and his son tried to put out the fire, it was already out of control ... end of the Black Ark studio. He moved to London and carried on from there.

#194818 by Planetguy
Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:02 pm
VinnyViolin wrote:
Planetguy wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:Here is Lee Perry working in his Black Ark studio approximately about the year Palmer recorded there. Roland Space Echo RE-201 used to be favored effect, but by this time, he's putting everything through a Mutron Bi-Phase as well. http://youtu.be/y651C7aNXRc


that story about RP trying to cut his trk w the that stuff going on around him is hilarious.

i enjoyed watching that video of him working in his studio...pretty sure i got a contact buzz from it. :lol:


Yeah! ... the guy in the robe with the wand doesn't sound any weirder than what I would expect from Perry himself anyways though.

Besides the local hanger-ons, there were eventually hanger-on fanatics from Germany speaking no English ... un able to shoo them away, Perry started a fire on the roof of the studio and then came running in yelling Fire, Fire! That got rid of the hanger-ons ... but when he and his son tried to put out the fire, it was already out of control ... end of the Black Ark studio. He moved to London and carried on from there.


ok....now you're just making that sh*t up! LMAO

#194838 by VinnyViolin
Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:28 am
Planetguy wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:
Planetguy wrote:
VinnyViolin wrote:Here is Lee Perry working in his Black Ark studio approximately about the year Palmer recorded there. Roland Space Echo RE-201 used to be favored effect, but by this time, he's putting everything through a Mutron Bi-Phase as well. http://youtu.be/y651C7aNXRc


that story about RP trying to cut his trk w the that stuff going on around him is hilarious.

i enjoyed watching that video of him working in his studio...pretty sure i got a contact buzz from it. :lol:


Yeah! ... the guy in the robe with the wand doesn't sound any weirder than what I would expect from Perry himself anyways though.

Besides the local hanger-ons, there were eventually hanger-on fanatics from Germany speaking no English ... un able to shoo them away, Perry started a fire on the roof of the studio and then came running in yelling Fire, Fire! That got rid of the hanger-ons ... but when he and his son tried to put out the fire, it was already out of control ... end of the Black Ark studio. He moved to London and carried on from there.


ok....now you're just making that sh*t up! LMAO


Well, is a paraphrase of something someone may have made up ...there are several versions how the fire started. Here's one from Perry.

"PERRY NOW sees his black despair at what he regards as mistreatment by Island as the major cause of his seemingly inexplicable destruction of the Black Ark. Whether invented or real, his recollections of those desperate events are cut-glass clear. His account is given in a detached monotone, without traces of sadness or regret.

"For weeks and months the pressure had been building up. I was getting no money, just pressure, pressure, pressure. I got up that morning with turmoil in my heart and went to the bottom of my garden, the studio, y’know. I love kid’s rubber balls. They are air, trapped. I love that and I collect many of these balls. Anyway, I have one favourite, it came from America and I kept it on the mixing desk. Some one had taken it when I got to the studio and I was just filled with anger. First all the pressure, the thievery, and then this..

What did you do? "I destroyed the studio. I smashed it up and then I burnt it down. Over." How did you feel the next day when you looked out and saw not a place of work but a heap of ashes?

"I felt I had done the manly thing, that I had stood up for what I believe in. I was cleansed and relieved. No one could rip me off any more. Not Chris Blackwell, not anybody."

But, Lee, this does sound exactly like the actions of a madman, nothing more, nothing less.

"I was mad. In my heart. But not in my mind. I have never been physically mad."

Taking the above events into account, that’s probably a statement open to serious questioning. My own feeling is that Perry, by societal norms never a candidate for Mr Sanity, probably did flip his lid and is now applying retrospective logic to this actions.

Those actions forced him into the wilderness for four long years, the prophet without honour in his own land, without a studio but with a reputation that precluded rehabilitation.

Whatever his mental state then or now, his loathing of Chris Blackwell has become an all-consuming motivational force. One of the reasons for Scratch’s re-emergence is a desire to play out his vendetta with Island.

"I was going to beat Blackwell up. I could, easily. But I have decided to bankrupt him instead, to see Island in the gutter and the vampire a pauper. Every time Island has a hit record, I will produce a better version of it. I will ruin that company!"

That could be a tall order, Island are a big business, with incredible facilities and acts like Black Uhuru. Perry’s voice cracks into a wild cackle. "Uhuru guru schmuru! I don’t care who they have, I will do it. That is definite, confident, without qualification.

"You know, that Chris Blackwell disgusts me, makes me want to vomit. He invited me to the opening of the Compass Point studio in Nassau and there I saw him drink the blood of a freshly killed chicken. He thought I was into all that voodoo and obeah (African magic for inflicting damage on enemies, much feared in the Caribbean) stuff, and offered me some. It was disgusting."

I hate to be a contradictory cuss, but we are talking about the same Chris Blackwell aren’t we, y’know, the internationally-respected business man? "Yes, yes, yes!" The knotty dubmaster is insistent. "I, Lee Perry, will swear that before any judge, solicitor or barrister he could employ."

There you have it, Perry's side of the story. A further illustration of the depth (again the bounds of rationality are being stretched) of his disaffection with Island is illustrated by the fact that he turned down the opportunity to produce no less a mob than Talking Heads, despite talking to David Byrne in a big way, because he thought that the Heads were on the label, instead of just using the Compass Point facility."

#194853 by Starfish Scott
Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:10 am
Wow tales from the darkside..

#194855 by VinnyViolin
Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:46 am
The early RP albums had members from Little Feat on them. When LF's singer songwriter Lowell George began working on this solo project ... http://youtu.be/nvMo5O8EVJg http://youtu.be/LbP6zFrbFnA there were rumors that Little Feat would replace George with Robert Palmer.

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