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You support murderers and repeat their lies. Am I supposed to take you seriously?

I don't feel sorry for murderers and terrorists when they get what they asked for. If you gave a rip about the people of Gaza, you would know they are in danger from their leaders.


From today: a one-year old baby girl injured in Kiryat Malaachi Israel, from Direct Hamas rocket hit. Three dead and another four year old boy in critical condition from this strike. Over 100 rockets like this fired just last night from Gaza, over 250 since the weekend, and over 12,000 in total since Ahmed Jabri became head of the Hamas military...

I wrote a song in 2001 about a 10 month old baby girl who was murdered while playing in a public park by a SNIPER from Fatah. Are you sure you want to support these animals? It would be very hard to have respect for any person who would do that.



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For the third time in a month, the civilians of southern Israel are under rocket attack from the Gaza Strip.

The current attacks began on Saturday night (Nov.10) when an anti-tank missile was fired at an army jeep traveling on the Israeli side of the border fence. Four IDF soldiers were injured. Since then, over 120 rockets have been fired at Israeli civilians.

The lives of 1 million Israeli civilians are being threatened and daily life in southern Israel has been totally disrupted.

The residents of communities near the Gaza border suffer constantly from rocket and mortar shell attacks. These attacks occur almost on a routine basis, as do escalations of other types of terrorist activities carried out by Hamas and the other terrorist organizations that operate under Hamas’ protection.

The pauses between the waves of rocket attacks are shortening. In the past month, Israel has been subjected to three separate periods of escalation. Since the beginning of the year, more than 800 rockets and mortar shells have been fired at Israel, a record amount since the end of Operation Cast Lead (January 2009). This peak is similar to the attacks that occurred in 2007-8.


The goal of Israel’s operation is clearly defined and is aimed at removing a strategic threat to Israeli citizens. Israel is not interested in a deterioration of the situation.

Israel has demonstrated great restraint for a long period but cannot stand for the recurring attacks on its citizens. No other state would accept a similar reality.

Israel is acting in self-defense and out of its duty to protect its civilians from terrorist attacks.

Hamas rules the Gaza Strip and is responsible for all that occurs in Gaza and all that is launched from there.

It must be noted that Israel disengaged completely from the Gaza Strip in 2005. The result of Israel’s disengagement is that Gaza has become a giant ammunition dump. In addition, it provides a breeding ground for terrorist groups to organize and to operate, including groups associated with al-Qaeda and Global Jihad. All this under the rule, responsibility and sponsorship of Hamas.

Weapons smuggled from Libya, Iran and Sudan accelerated the process of Gaza turning into a terror base. These weapons also increased the danger posed to the Israeli population.

Hamas and the other terrorist organizations hide among the civilian population of Gaza. They also deliberately direct their fire at the civilian population of Israel. These acts constitute a double war crime.

The targets of the Israeli operation are all military. Israel will make every effort to prevent harm to the civilian population of Gaza, and regrets any injury to civilians.

The border crossings from Israel to the Gaza Strip remain open, allowing for the routine passage of goods and humanitarian aid.

The international community must act to stop the attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip and should not wait for an Israeli reaction to act. Time and again, Israel has warned that it would not tolerate these attacks.

I've answered each of the fantasies you've presented as "truth" and shown them to be otherwise. You've dismissed the video of Dennis Prager as "propaganda" without attempting to address the points in it.

I'll post some of the points here to save you having to type anything.



1.5 million arabs live in Israel. That is 20% of the population. Yes, that is right...one in five Israelis are arab. There are more arabs in Israel than there are Jews in all arab countries combined! Why? Because there is REAL apartheid in the muslim countries, but not in Israel.

Arab Israelis have the exact same rights as any other Israeli. They can vote, hold political office (including the legislature), and own businesses like any other Israeli citizen.

My own observation is when you take a walk through the old city, you'll see many shops but you won't be able to tell which ones are jewish owned and which ones are arab owned. You can't tell by looking when you get in a taxi whether the owner/driver is jewish or arab. I've guessed a few times and was almost always wrong.


Back to the video:

All signs in the country are in hebrew, arabic, and english.

As the video showed, Israel is represented by Israeli arabs in many sectors of their society. It was an arab judge who recently sentenced the (jewish) former President of Israel to jail 7 years for rape. No one batted an eyelash at the thought of an arab judge sentencing a jewish PRESIDENT to jail.

Palestinians living in the West Bank or Gaza are governed by Hamas or Fatah, NOT Israel. Yes, their situation is terrible! But that is because they are being fleeced by Abbas and Meshaal.





And this smashes every accusation you've repeated from your sources in Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Al Quds Brigade, et al:

82% of Israeli arabs would rather be a citizen of Israel than any other country of the arab world.


if you think you would recognize the truth, try to address these points before parroting the terrorists.

...Yod ... it distresses me as you seem determined to prove that you are little more than a hypocrite .. to yourself, mankind, your religion and your God . Thank you for the Zionist News Report ... and the "repeatspeak" you like to sing repetitively like a worn out and tiresome chorus.

The people in Gaza are in danger of the Hell-Fire missiles that the US has given Israel and other weapons that are in the hands of murderers who are much more dangerous and hypocritical than you will ever be.

Watch as Operation Pillar of Defense turns into Pillar of Offense ... clap at the deaths of people and their children and ready yourself to write more hypocritical songs. The victimized warmonger now has the blessing of the Black Messiah and the Directives from his Luciferean Masters.

The depraved chess game continues and the goal is not self defence ... it is Syria. Bilderberg technocraps have had to call an emergency meeting in Rome to try and save the "Fool Monti" ... the Uk is ready to send troops nto Syria ... Israeli Troops are ready to invade their ghetto and the Ghoul Clinton will e no doubt making a visit soon. There has been a 400% surge in gun sales in the US since the "re-election"of the tele-puppet. The Inernational Community is reacting by the way ... with condemnation.

You have indeed saved me the trouble of writing as I now realize that you are what you are and not what you say you are. Why you insist upon waving that tattered and sad video, spouting the same zionist speak I do not know and at this point I care not.

Yod ... I do not condone Hammas killing innocent Israelis ... civilian or military...any more than the other way around. They are all human as are we ... it is just that some do not seem to care. Get ready for the coming X-Mas surprise as it should be a real foray into inhumanity and hypocrisy. You fail to see beyond your obvious limited vision and I can accept that ... in fact I have to if I wish to remain friends with you. I can do this but now there is a ceiling and a depth limit which did not exist before. This I find sad.

Please save your "innocent Jew diatribe" as I find it very distasteful in light of what is being done by the Zionists to their own country and others. Once again... if you wish to save me the "trouble" of writing here on my own Post then simply shut up. If not then you have every right to continue whining so please feel free to do so. I wll just be very marked in my replies as I watch what is actually happenning and stop kicking about your opinions and mine as it is a game that can not be resolved by either of us but as I have said back many Posts ago will be resolved by exactly what is now taking place.. Be well and I truly am pleased that you are not there at risk. Of course that may change for us all. There is much speculation and much possiblity as to what is going to transpire.

I would like very much to know your feelings on this ... not to spar but to listen as you have been there recently and do seem to have your fingers on the pulse of the Zionists. Let us stop beating the ground with sticks and start discussing and comparing opinions on what we think will happen ... once again it is not a contest just part of the human experience that we both can share. I think we do both agree that it is a big and dangerous mess with potential to grow even larger...for whatever reasons either of us may or may not think.

Ta Live Well Die Well

I notice you still don't want to address the FACTS which I've posted for your critical analysis over the last 10 pages of this record-breaking long thread. OK...we can drop it if that's what you want. I also regret that you don't want to go any deeper than the surface of terrorist propoganda headlines.

Here's a video showing how fake the news you get from Palestinians is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... vaUmIB87-M

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of more examples of this fake news you are swallowing as if it's true. I'll be happy to provide another few dozens examples of it, if this one isn't enough. I don't blame you for believing them at first....but now you know they have been lying to you all along.

Why would ANYONE believe them when they have never told the truth? EVER!



I am certainly not happy about innocent people who are going to die because of the hateful ideology of Hamas. I won't shed a tear for their leaders who have brought this on everyone.

But no other nation is going to sit still while 800 missiles rain down on them, so it does piss me off when no one notices that Israelis are suffering a barrage of missiles on civilian areas, but hypocritical fingers start wagging now that Israel responds ever so carefully to avoid killing the civilians these "brave" terrorists hide behind.

In that regard, it's a good thing Obama won the election. Israel is under no more illusions that the USA is a friend now. This will free their hand to FINALLY take care of business.

Look for Russia to come down from their Georgia bases (Gog), and Iran (Magog) to come from the east.

Their armies will be nuked on the plains of Syria and Damascus will be no more.

...I thank you for your reply.. I am pleased that we are continuing to speak. Others will probably enjoy it more than we do. You do anger me somewhat and frustrate me and yes I am certain I do the same. I do think you are a very good person inside and of course not agreeing with all your opinions I do respect your right to have them and I have to admit that I welcome them ... in some ways. Thank You.

So let us see if we can gear down the adversity between us. I do not wish to continue aimlessly to butt heads with you on our differences of opinions and interpretations of what has happened. Rather I desire to speak of what we feel may happen and if it does not then rest assured that I will not go Na Na I told you so but I will say I was mistaken with any prediction that may prove wrong. This is a better and more relevant and productive realm for us both to frolic in.

I understand what you state re Hamas and their leaders. It is the same that many Palestinians most probably say about the Zionists. I personally regret any of the death ... leaders included as they by their positions alone have the power to influence and change beyond the common citizens.

I agree that there is nothing brave about terrorism ... in Israel, Palestine, Syria or anywhere else. And I can understand why the obvious and no less relevant suffering of innocents in Israel pisses you off ... I also find it tragic in any of the numerous countries ...especially where it has been caused by political filth ... Libya, Syria,Egypt, Bahrain, there are many and growing.

I feel that Obama did not "win" anything. I also have felt for sometime now that what transpires between Obama and Netanyahu, before and now is nothing more than a "Danze Macabre". Killing to me is not taking care of business Yod. And most certainly the US and Israel suffer Illusions.

What you state about Russia is a definate possibility I agree ... our definitions of Gog and MaGog may differ but if Russia does get involved it takes everything to a much higher level ... as I have previously stated ... we may not have to be in Palestine/Israel to be in danger. If this happens inwill be in a way one of many of the propane tanks.

I find Israel's policies much like a rabid dog ... almost suicidal at times. I do understand and agree they are in great and now faster growing danger. The reasons may be arguable but that is another story.

The role of religions that is being "played" by every party involved in this "mess" is most dangerous. This combined with "world Politics" and the filth it brings is most terrifying.

Ta Live Well Die Well

If both entities don't learn to work out their differences, they will no doubt destroy each other and leave the civilians dead and dying.
(The leaders of both entities will be no doubt pleased.)

Get off the high horse ..

And any sniper that shoots a baby is the worst kind of criminal that exists.

I don't care how much anyone hates someone else, a shred of decency goes a long way and ultimately the only way to survive is to work together.

If they don't, someone else bigger, meaner and with more resources will come in and settle it for both entities and the blood will really fly then.
(I wonder how they like the Soviet Visit that lasted a decade or so)

Your greatest enemy is your best friend when someone you both dislike comes to play in your sandbox.

Try not to hate anyone forever, truth is there are good and bad of all.

So let us see if we can gear down the adversity between us. I do not wish to continue aimlessly to butt heads with you on our differences of opinions and interpretations of what has happened. Rather I desire to speak of what we feel may happen and if it does not then rest assured that I will not go Na Na I told you so but I will say I was mistaken with any prediction that may prove wrong. This is a better and more relevant and productive realm for us both to frolic in.

I realize that I sound angry when I reply but it's not personal. I'm frustrated from the reality that most people are buying the fake news being put out by Pallywood, without considering the fact that muslim terrorists have NEVER told anyone the truth.

And as long as people swallow that narrative, there will be no hope for Palestinians or Gazans to have a decent life. The real problem is not being addressed, which is their brutal leaders oppressing everyone.

I understand what you state re Hamas and their leaders. It is the same that many Palestinians most probably say about the Zionists.

....except untrue.

our definitions of Gog and MaGog may differ

My definition is the literal one.

In the english language, we call the nation "Georgia" (Gogya) but it comes from the word "Gog" in ancient languages. The word "Magog" means "from Gog"

Gog is the area of the Caucasian Mountains (where white people get their "caucasian" identity) and the Persians came down from the Caucus Mountain area to invade the Babylonians.

Russia took Georgia a few years ago to have forward bases into the middle east. Hence a Russian/Iranian alliance IS Gog/Magog.

I find Israel's policies much like a rabid dog ... almost suicidal at times. I do understand and agree they are in great and now faster growing danger. The reasons may be arguable but that is another story.

Really man....what would you have them do when 800 missiles are raining down on them?

Should they ask "pretty please?"




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...Scott very well stated and indisputedly wise...now we can sit back and watch it not happen I fear. Provoking has to cease by everyone immediately and the political filth on both sides would have to be replaced by humanists and wise leaders ... an impossible dream I fear.

Meanwhile back at home .. secede and succeed ???There is going to be alot of "sharing" this Thanksgiving. Will there be peace on Earth or pieces on earth for X-Mas. Is this the "Nightmare before Christmas" ? Is all of this and what is coming just random event with no directed plan ??? HA HA HA

HomeLand Brigade will ,be knockin for your guns

Fukushima will give you the runs

The water you drink is poison too

The "elections" over what will he do ?

The food you eat is corrupted sh_t

Hurry quick get your bug out kit



Live Well Die Well get some popcorn (lots of plastic butter)

...it's a HellFire Missile from Hamas ...

Not so much angry ... just unable.

But now there really seems to be HOPE with Operation Pillar of Defense ...a God given and sanctioned event of absolute neccesity ... after Israel invades and gets rid of the "evil" ones along with some regrettable collateral damage ... then by Right of Holy Conquest (ie Defence) then Israel can "free" Gaza and anything else that needs liberating and then "integration" can be "given" to those Palestinians left standing or crawling... into the Heaven on Earth, where no one ever lies, known as Israeli Democracy and the "elimination" of the remaining "Liars" and their children can be sanctified and performed. Peace will reign instead of HellFire missiles raining down and Jerusalem can be freed, the Dome on the rock dealt with and the esteemed third temple built and everyone will live happily after ....but wait ...what about Syria ... Iran ... Russia ...China ... and ...

Another challenge to those who "just want a homeland". What should be done next Yod ? Please enlighten me.

800 missiles of mortars ? ABSOLUTELY NOT Yod kill them, destroy their houses, kill their children, kill their animals, kill their plants, take their land and "free" them.

Stupid people ... we can only hope and prey that someday they accept that all the killing etc is done by their leaders and that no Israeli ever lies, murders or steals ... they are God's Chosen People and the dirty arabs should do the world a favour and just kill themselves. After all expecting anything remotely resembling what Scotty speaks of is CRAZY. Kill them ... Kill all of them >>>>take their lands and make them "bloom" ... as you say Yod take care of the problem ... the final solution.

Thank You Yod for not being able to even admit that Israel or it's Zionist leaders ever ever do anything wrong ... I just do not know what got into me ... you have truly opened my eyes. I see that all Arabs are lying scum ... even their babie, children, dogs and plants are lying scum.


GOD SMILES ON ISRAEL KILL ALL ARABS

....not.

Ta Yod

... Do not be distracted by the Middle East or anywhere else. There is great danger now in our houses and it needs to be tended to...straight away. I strongly urge everyone to listen to Ron Pauls Speech and Questions. All else pales into insignificance.

It Begins Live Well Die Well

I've been wondering something.. sorta off topic, but maybe not-

We've been in the middle east actively at war since 2003. In this 9 years, 'terrorists' have almost consistently been lobbing mortars and IED's and rockets, etc.. at pretty much everything since day 1.

It seems to me that there's no way some hidden cache or otherwise 'stockpiled' amount of arms stretching back 9 years would still be available.. I mean, how many frigging mortars do these people have? You would think they could fill a landfill 3 miles wide and 2000 feet deep with all those weapons. So where are they coming from?

Deductive logic tells me it shouldn't be all that hard to figure out who is manufacturing all that stuff. Why haven't we followed the money right back to the manufacturers and then followed the order trail to those who are purchasing and then reselling (if that's really the case) them.

Not to just Iraq and Afghanistan, but also Lebanon, Libya, Syria, and the Gaza strip, among many others?!?

Would I be surprised to learn that these come from America, or any of it's 'allies' ? Nope. I know I've seen many claims over the years that these terrorists are funded / supplied by Russia, but I'm finding it harder and harder to believe. Russia is a lot of things, but open borders and under-table deals, especially arms, are far from tolerated over there. Hell, they put 3 chicks in max prison for playing a anti-religion song in a church.

Again, sorry if I am missing the obvious, but instead of looking at the people using the weapons (some arguably justified, although the results are often unjustifiable), maybe we should start looking at why they seem to have endless supplies of weapons, and yet are starving to death from lack of food?

...KramerGuy ... good to hear from you. How dare you hint that the US may be supplying arms to those dirty stinking Arabs... in Egypt, Libya, palestine?Israel I mean ISRAEL/palestine or Syria ? It is after all a good thing that the Black Messiah was re-elected was it not ? Please do not bring up that BIG LIE called Fast and Furious as it is a smear to our mighty Saviour President ... today he visits and will sort out the stricken Sandy victims.


OBAMA FOR A THIRD TIME OBAMA FOR A THIRD TIME

Perhaps those dirty filthy arabs get their "smuggled" weapons by stealing them ? or from Satan himself ?

KramerGuy ... I am certain this Forum's Yod'a will be most pleased to tell you the Truth how the dirty fillthy Arabs get the weapons that they constantly kill innocent Jews with unlying Leaders with.

Kill the Arabs, their animals, their leaders, their women, their children, their plants and steal their smuggled weapons and sell them and keep their Land and make it BLOOM instead of BOOM.......

I must apologize Kramer as I seem to have lost my critical thinking ability temporarily .... what with all the excitement of the pillows of offensivness and all.

Check out how much oil is now being pumped domestically.

Live Well Die Well Ta

France sells to everyone..

Arabs, Jews and anyone with $.

Anyone remember the attack helicopters we sold the Israelis and the next day they wasted Arafat's HQ? Except he was already in the hospital, so all they got was his staff but they smoked his HQ but good.

(Rgr that, diddy mow back to the rendezvous point for refuel and rearm and we'll hit em again before the sun goes down.)

Copy that..

Violence just causes more violence and if you need a bigger, meaner group to play with, I am quite sure someone will come along while your pants are down and do worse to all of you at the same time.

I always laugh when I see Fabrique Nationale P90's on obscure troops.
(I make a mental note of who has cash and who has French arms contacts)

...Fact THE GAZA STRIP IS ONE OF THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED AREAS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. THE PRESENCE OF MILITANTS WITHIN A CIVILIAN POPULATION DOES NOT UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW DEPRIVE THAT POPULATION OF THEIR PROTECTED STATUS. ANY ASSAULT UPON THAT POPULATION UNDER THE GUISE OF TARGETING MILITANTS IS A WAR CRIME.

...Fact ISRAEL HAS AND CONTINUES TO COMMIT WAR CRIMES AGAINST PALESTINE. ANYONE KILLED BY ISRAEL INCLUDING THE RECENTLY MURDERED HAMAS LEADER AND HIS SON CONSTITUTE WAR CRIMES COMMITTED BY ISRAEL. ISRAEL IS NOW 'CONSIDERING' TO INVADE GAZA. THIS WILL BE A WAR CRIME AND ANY KILLED DURING THIS ACT OF AGGRESSION WILL ALSO BE WAR CRIMES.


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