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What do you think of this legislation?

One other thing, I will not comment or argue with anyone that post on this topic. I am not trying to start anything with this post other than a civil debate!

I have to drug test to keep my CDL license, two of the business's Im in have drug testing.

Why shouldnt a person getting my tax money be drug tested too? To go even further why dont we drug test the President and Congress?

Im all for drug testing.

30 yrs ago I may have said something different! LOL!

Because it worked so well in Florida....

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2 ... -cost.html

AND..
Did you know:
The pentagon budget for 2012 = $711 Billion

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opi ... 6267.story

AND..

Did you know that:
Social welfare in 2011 cost a total of $59 Bil
Corporate subsidies (corporate welfare) cost a total of $92 Bil (!!!!!)

(cite) http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-sp ... tatistics/

Did you also know part of that corporate welfare included these TOP companies that paid zero taxes (some even got refunds!?!)
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/1 ... -no-taxes/

GIANT profitable companies paid ZERO taxes, companies such as:
Boeing
General Electric
Verizon
DuPont
ConEd
Wells Fargo
Honeywell
Mattel
....

So public welfare is nothing but a hot-button issue designed to dupe you into goading others by the means of 'HEY LOOK OVER HERE, THAR IS CROOKS LEECHING OFF OUR MONEY!' while the real crooks raid and pillage the public trust. Think about that, PUBLIC TRUST, money you are attacking the public who helped build it (we've ALL worked and paid into it), instead of attacking the people who DONT pay into it and are stealing FAR MORE from it.

I'm all for testing drugs. In fact I'll volunteer for the job.

A much better solution would be drug testing welfare recipients and if they test positive don't send them any more money. Simply pay their utility bills directly, food bill diectly, fent or mortgage directly, etc. In other words don't punish the families of the wefare recipients. Somehow make sure the recipient can't use the welfare money for illegal drug purchases.
Kramerguy, I understand your frustration with corporations. We simply need to change the tax code so as not to allow corporations to avoid taxes. A fair tax where EvERYBODY pays ther equal percentage is what's needed, no matter the income level.

you have to consider though that only about 2% of people on welfare are true leeches who refuse to work. The other 98% are people who've paid into "the system" most or all of their working lives, and are being punished for falling on hard times, and welfare is already to the point that it's nearly ineffective in doing what it's supposed to- I have no problem with re-designing it to pay directly utilities and other items, it would probably help people more than anything else, but we need to have a more of a reasonable and productive discussion (in our local, state, federal) politics to fix what is broken and return welfare back to it's initial design- which was to not only supplement people who need help, but to also help them find work or train in a new field.

Welfare needs reform, true. But taking money away from people who need it, and mostly paid into it is rather cruel and inhumane in my opinion. Same goes with making it even harder to get that money. And really, if I'm on welfare and I go to a friends house to blow off some steam one day and he offers me a beer.. why the hell should THAT matter? Same with a joint.. it's all the same. But the extremists out there want you to believe that I would sit around all day spending my money on weed and playing video games all day.

Hate to break it to people, but that person generally lives in their parents basement and doesn't collect anything but comic books.

A much better solution would be drug testing welfare recipients and if they test positive don't send them any more money. Simply pay their utility bills directly, food bill diectly, fent or mortgage directly, etc. In other words don't punish the families of the wefare recipients. Somehow make sure the recipient can't use the welfare money for illegal drug purchases.

This is very reasonable

If you are "collecting", you should be open to being tested.

If you want to be "dirty", then pull your own weight and stop making us pay for your habit.

There is no such thing as a free ride and freedom sure as hell is not free.
If things get worse, you won't be able to collect.

It might be a good time for people with this issue to grow up a little and take responsibility for themselves. (imo)

I'll test them too. I could use a good job with bene's/401K and I bet that one would be a laugh a minute except when they figure out that they just came up like florescent markers at a black light convention. lol

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That was the sound of my joke going over your head Scott.

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That was the sound of my joke going over your head Scott.

No, I know what you meant. But what I mean is that it sounds like it would be fun and pay well with bene's.

Sorry Jimmy, but you can test all the drugs you want on your own since you are obviously not "collecting" anything. lol

The problem with not drug testing is that there are very many employers who drug test their employees. The government shouldn't be in the business of enabling people to be on illegal drugs. It's much harder for somebody to find a job if they are on drugs. If somebody is smoking marijuana, under the current laws it's tough for them to find work. The government should do more to promote personal resonsibility, not to enable people to be irresponsible.

The government shouldn't be in the business of enabling people to be on illegal drugs.

That's the meat and potatoes of it.

If you want help, toe the line and clean yourself up.
Else get out there and fight to survive, plenty of people that are clean do that everyday and get no help or recognition at all.

I don't help the junkies. I want to help the regular people who have no other option than this crap system we have in place at the moment.

The junkies will rob and kill you anyway, because they think it's an "ends justify the means" scenario.

Show me your weapon, so I can tee off on you and maim or cripple you for the mistake you make in bringing me your weak game of lies and deceit.

Ever notice how most of the victims are people that can't fight back?
They let the ones that look like they may actually resist them alone for fear of a real situation with them, all flu-like for lack of whatever drug they need to-day.

At least pick on those who will give you a fair contest or suffer whatever happens to you on this day of reckoning. Never cry because you got seriously injured, be thankful that you didn't get killed outright.

Some out there will do it to them with little or no regard and I can't say that bothers me in the least. Let the punishment fit the crime.

Most honest people on welfare can't afford Asprin, let alone rec. drugs like weed.

No to testing.
Anything the government expands turns into a joke...

TSA anyone?

Maybe testing if they've had any drug or alcohol related charges in their past - otherwise, leave them be