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Thank you Vinny, either you are very scholarly or very good at taking things out of context. I will do some more research.
Off the top, It appears Lincoln had very little understanding of free markets.
However from your quote it he did understand the danger of government control, and the backlash of big money being allowed to control the government. The interference of corporations in big government and vice versa has become the norm.

The question you raised was so interesting. Was Lincoln that smart or that ignorant, or a bit of both?

Very interesting Vinny. Thanks for bringing that up.

... Just saw the posts upon Glenns thread ...Scotty you have alot in common with Gandhi ... this is meant as a compliment and "thinking outside the box". Slacker ... great thought for the day ... well put. PaperDog ... observing as usual.

Glenn who would have ever thought we both would be thanking Vinny ?

And really meaning it. These are strange times but there was a time when I would have never thought that Glenn and I would be friends.

Haley my compliments to you for your excellent and tireless Threads ... very good and relevant and fresh perspective fodder.


Ta Live Well Die Well

... Mr Talbot ... thank you very much for your Post ... as usual you simply lay out your view in very clear and simple terms ... direct is a better term than simple here actually when referring to you.

It is not the Jews or Israelis that I take issue with, it is the Zionists. Contrary to what many think there is a very big and growing difference between the two.

I often like to play a game I call connect the dots. I write down certain things, people, places etc and connect them. This process is often quite rewarding in understanding certain things.

I knew some Brit Mercs in Dobs Cross, Lancashire ... primarily an SAS Colonel ... very nice chap as they say... with a bit of an undercurrent. He tokd me some stories about Rhodesia and Afrika.

Please understand that I am no scholar on the subject but .... here are a few dots... take them as you will. I always value your Posts and your words.

The Zimbabwe War of Liberation ... Zimbabwe/Rhodesia ...Lancaster House ... elections ... ZANU...ZAPU...ZANLA...ZIPRA...The Establishment...Reservations ... Terrorists ... RENAMO...FRELIMO...the Gukurahundi Massacres ... Mozambique Civil War ...Sticks ... FireForce ...UDI ... Mr. Smith ...UN ... Rhodies ... Zimbos .

Rhiodesia was a genocidal Colony. Zimbabwe went from being the BreadBasket of Afrika to it's current IMF splendour. The farmers of the USA now face a "Rhodesian Future". Zimbabwe is a failed State. Afrika is being bled dry by Zionism.

The Transatlantic Slave Trade ... The Curse of Ham ... Moses Maimonides ...Ethiopian Jews ... Mayor Amschel Rothschild ... the Babylonian Talmud ... Cecil Rhodes ... African Diamond Trade .

The Zionist Exploitation of Afrika has not ended. Cultural Zionism is spread under the guise of "Humanitarianism".

Marks and Spencer ... PO Ltd... Paula Ohrenstein Ltd...Lucy Wernick and Associates ... Barry Finer ... Majesta Ltd and the Jacobson Group ... B'nai B'rith ... The Anti-Defamation League ... The American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee ... Lyceum Shaalavim ... The African Jewish Congress ...The World Jewish Congress ... Kony 2012 ... Save Darfur ... AFRICOM ... Morton Abramowitz ... George Soros ... Donald Steinberg ... Avi Sivan ... Yinon Africa ... IASPS ... Zionist Drones in Kenya ... Mehdi Ben Barka ... Dan Gertler ... Chabad Lubavitch

"While revolutionaries as individuals can be murdered, you cannot kill ideas"

Thomas Sakara

Ta Live Well Die Well

That's a load of anti-semitic (by your own definition) drivel. A huge stinkin' pile of paranoid bullshirt...all of it. Hard to believe intelligent people fall for it.


In every nation of Africa that is opposing Israel, you'll find the worst corruption and human rights violations in the world. That ought to tell you something...

...Yod ...it is very good to hear from you. your absence means I assume that you have been busy ... and being busy in your case means that you have been busy doing good things.

Understand that merely because you call something "drivel" or whatever ... that it is only your opinion and not unassailable fact at times. Of course the same is applicable to myself and others. I value your opinions and enjoy the discourse. Although I do not use terms like "Bro" and such I do consider you as an Honourable and very admirable fellow.

Whenever politics are involved there are always innumerable "articles", "statements" "speeches" and opinions to counter one another. Interpretations ... selective ... objective ... or just plain lies are aleays abundant for the picking. It is all only a merry-go-round and there are no solutions possible. No right nor wrong ... just bastardizations of each.

I will not call anything you state ... drivel ... no matter how it may oppose my opinions ... nor will I use any other of your other "colourful" words. What you have said borders upon insult but I do not take it as such as I know that you are upset by anything contrary to srael and your image of it. Therefore I forgive such words in your Posts. I value your friendship.

There are many who agree with you and many who disagree with you. This is fact. Just because there exists in Afrika human rights violations with some countries that oppose Israel does not excuse or justfy Israel's flagrant human rights violations. Such things are rampant now and found everywhere... more and more here in the US No noe is immune, not even Israel.

There does exist a history of Zionism long before Israel became a "State". This alone proves that they are not the same thing. The worst Human Rights violations today in the world are perpetrated by the UN, US, UK Israel and NWO minions. Afrika is being "cleansed". World Populations in Latin America , the middle east, europe and north america are being culled.

Evil is manifesting everywhere there exists political filth...this ought to tell everyone something.

I have no quarrel with you or your opinions. I shall always welcome them. I would rather not be insulted or accused of being things like "paranoid dung". There is enough of that going around. Rather let us discuss and differ ... argue and agree when ever we can and should we on instance not be able to do so then let us just accept the others views and opinions as such. This I feel is a much better option than insult or loss.


Ta Live Well Die Well

The rumors you were told by British mercs is bigoted bullshirt. The drivel is what you've been told...and apparently swallowed without any critical analysis.


Allow me to get past the drivel and right to the heart of the matter....

That is a textbook form of anti-Semitism.  What if we were to question wheher or not the existence of China, India, Japan, or Korea was a good idea?   What if we were to question whether or not black people have a right to a country of their own???  

If any other ethnicity's right to having a nation of their own were questioned, cries of racism would ensue, but not with Jews.   Jews are singled out as having the one nation on earth that probably shouldn't exist.   That is pure undiluted anti-Semitism

But people who hold that view usually have an irrational hatred of Jews whether they have the integrity to admit it or not.

Anti-Semitism comes in many forms.  It's not just swastizkas and shaven heads.  Anti-Semitism can appear very sophisticated, but at its core it is just black hearted hatred.   Israel is a nation found by Jews, for Jews.  It was created to be and is a Jewish nation.  It exists in its Jewish homeland on Jewish property given to the Jews by God Himself.   So what you say about Israel, you are saying about Jews. Singling Jews out to say that their homeland is illegitimate is racism.  It is just as racist as if you said that the Chinese don't deserve to have their own nation, or that the Japanese don't deserve to have their own nation. Or that Americans don't own the nation we took from the natives. Or that the Saxons are illegitimate owners of the British Isles since William the Conquoror took it in 1066.

So when the world calls Israel out for special condemnation and claims that their existence is a mistake, anti-Semitism is what it is, even if they try to hide behind language like "anti-zionism".  Like it or not, according to your own definition supplied earlier, you are doing that.

It is anti-Semitic to challenge the right of Israel to exist, particularly when it is a case of Israel being singled out for special condemnation.   It is a claim that has no rational or legal or historical merit.   You may not "hate Jews,"  but that doesn't mean that challenging Israel's right to exist isn't anti-Semitic.  

The point at which you become anti-Semitic is when you have been informed of the anti-Semitic nature of your argument, but you choose to embrace that view anyway.

The only reason Israel exists at all is because the west gave them the land that is now Israel. They may be our ally, but this means they must go along with the program that we decide upon. If they go rogue and oppose what the US and the UN declare they will find themselves very alone.

".... given to the Jews by God Himself."






Amen.

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The only reason Israel exists at all is because the west gave them the land that is now Israel.

That kind of thinking becoming normal in America is a very recent development, (I trace it to Katrina) and also the assurance we, as a nation, are about to be humbled severely.

We have been warned many times and yet we keep shaking our fist at God. Believe me friend, we won't win that battle.

They may be our ally, but this means they must go along with the program that we decide upon. If they go rogue and oppose what the US and the UN declare they will find themselves very alone.

Yes, I've known that for about 22 years now. Always wondered how it could happen in the USA and now I know.


As someone who used to be you, I realize how crazy it sounds when someone starts talking about what the Prophets of the bible say, but it was the verses speaking about what is happening this very moment that convinced me something supernatural is going on in the bible. You ought to check Zechariah 12 through 14.

There are many, many more prophetic passages addressing the future of the Prophets....and pointing to the times we live in.

That passage is but a good primer for what the world is about to see. When all nations come against Jerusalem (specifically) then this age will end.

Millions will die before it's over and men will beg the mountains to fall on them.

But whom shall I fear? Yet will I trust Him.

"As someone who used to be you, I realize how crazy it sounds when someone starts talking about what the Prophets of the bible say"

Yeah!!!




Started by Charles Taze Russell on July 1, 1879 , Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence.

"According to its first issue, the magazine's purpose was to draw attention to Russell's belief that people of the time were "living "in the last days" "the day of the Lord"—"the end" of the Gospel age," and that "the dawn of the "new" age, are facts not only discernible by the close student of the Word, led by the spirit, but the outward signs recognizable by the world bear the same testimony."[7]

I had to research to figure out who the old prune in the picture was. Not sure why you think it's relevant to the conversation? Your uncle, maybe? He did glean from the scriptures 60 years in advance that the Jews would be back in the land of Israel. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but there have been many bible students who saw today's reality several centuries in advance.

And there have been many cults that arose when some gentile figures out that the hebrew calendar has significant hidden meaning. But studying that calendar instead of living by it is like looking at a preview and thinking you saw the movie. The problem is always that they look at it through a distorted greco-christian lens and come up with whack conclusions.

So what?

Should I respond by posting pictures of Chairman Mao or Joseph Stalin as an example of foolish atheists?






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That was classic, RGM.. LOL
You know it wasn't going to work, but classic none the less.

I had to research to figure out who the old prune in the picture was. Not sure why you think it's relevant to the conversation? Your uncle, maybe? He did glean from the scriptures 60 years in advance that the Jews would be back in the land of Israel. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but there have been many bible students who saw today's reality several centuries in advance.

And there have been many cults that arose when some gentile figures out that the hebrew calendar has significant hidden meaning. But studying that calendar instead of living by it is like looking at a preview and thinking you saw the movie. The problem is always that they look at it through a distorted greco-christian lens and come up with whack conclusions.

So what?

Should I respond by posting pictures of Chairman Mao or Joseph Stalin as an example of foolish atheists?






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Harold Camping with his interpretation of biblical scripture messed up a lot of gullible people's lives. They were volunteers though, unlike those who suffered life under the wacky beliefs of Mao or Stalin .. or those suffering in West Bank and Gaza because of the wacky beliefs of zionist zealots.

"Since you eat meat with the blood still in it and look to your idols and shed blood, should you then possess the land? You rely on your sword, you do detestable things… Should you then possess the land?’ … I will make the land a desolate waste, and her proud strength will come to an end.’ (Ezekiel 33:24-26,28-29)

When one looks at the history of modern Israel's origins, it looks like there is a lot more that it shares in common with South Africa in the neo-colonialist visions of Cecil Rhodes' roundtables and down to Earth motivations of establishing a world ruling organization. The predictable credulity of the religious is only one of many resources exploited for this end, but still an important one.

Vinny is aware of the Warburgs , then the DeRothschilds as well.
That means he is miles ahead of most.

Go Vinny

Vinny is aware of the Warburgs , then the DeRothschilds as well.
That means he is miles ahead of most.

Go Vinny

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