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In prior times Benghazi would have been seen as an act of war. But since the bombing in Beirit, Lebanon, in 1983 American politicians have wimped out against Islam. Who wants war with a billion people? But if you do not show strength, you show weakness. So ... Islam keeps at it and will not relent until all the planet is Islam.

When the Ottoman empire fell in the 1840s no one saw it rising again anytime soon. Yet, here it is in almost every nations face. The clash of civilizations is coming again. The more the American nation wimps out, the more troublesome Islam will be. Especially when they get their hands on nukes.

I do believe the Benghazi situation shows the Obama administration to be incompetent and traitorous. No surprise there. But the deafening silence of Congress is worse. The silence of the MSM is disgusting. If it were a Republican administration Benghazi would be 24/7 news. Same as most issues that are being shoved under the rug by the MSM today. We must not offend the first black president. What would the rest of the world think?

A felon occupies the White House. A traitor is commander in chief. It is easy to imagine what the military is thinking right now. Obama could be the cause of an actual military coup if he is re-elected. At the very least an enormous rift in the armed forces, which will weaken it, and invite more violence by Islam.

People who see Romney as waging war on women ... wait till Islam gets their hands on them. Fools. The willingly ignorant and accomplices of the destruction of the Republic.

Never thought I would see this in my day. A total clash of worldviews in the USA. Unreal.

The people who love the Constitution will not go down without a fight. We'll see how tough liberals are when they actually have to fight to maintain their godless hold on the nation.

If Obama wins, which I doubt at this point, I hope Texas or Oklahoma begins secession discussions. It will trigger discussions all throughout the heartland. The east and west coasts can have their socialistic states. The heartland can retain a Republic. Open a swath of land in North Dakota for the travel between east and west.

Won't happen, but I would love to see an actual Constitutional Republic working with free markets again.

In the meantime I pray Obama does not finish his first term in office and is finally exposed for what he is - a lying Marxist wannabe dictator that the rest of the world's dictators beckon to join them.

Libya under any circumstances works for Obama,
a sitting president can barley be beat with foreign affairs.
1st
he knows much more than anyone in the argument, like it or not
2nd
any discussion of foreign affairs distracts his opponents from his real weakness, economic
3rd
the very fact that it can't get any traction shows that the people want to hear about the economy and don't give a crap about a temporary shelter referred to in an off hand way as an embassy.
4th
how many insulting murders have there been in the middle east in the last 20 years?
no one is shocked, no one is alarmed, why would they be?
the 19th century is over.
if this story really took hold it would help re elect Obama not hurt him.
because it is, over all an easy fix, if the country wanted it fixed, but it doesn't.
honor is easy to come by if you have weapons
in the eyes of the electorate, compared to Clinton Obama is practically a saint.

JCP, Your comments, if true, show the condition of the nation, as a nation, poor economy or otherwise.

The story has no traction, like plenty of other important issues, because the MSM is controlled by those who do not want the story to have traction.

Like I said, if this were a Republican administration it would be 24/7 coverage.

JCP, Your comments, if true, show the condition of the nation, as a nation, poor economy or otherwise.

The story has no traction, like plenty of other important issues, because the MSM is controlled by those who do not want the story to have traction.

Like I said, if this were a Republican administration it would be 24/7 coverage.

if that were true romnny could have made mince meat of Obama at the so called foreign policy debate.
but he sidestepped it almost entirely,
even to make it very clear that in almost every situation he would act as Obama as acted.
so I can't say there is any evidence of this.

Romney did not mention Benghazi the same way Reagan did not hammer the hostage crisis against Carter. He knew and Romney knows it will speak for itself with voters. The only difference being the MSM is worse today than in Reagan's day. But as info comes out no one would blame Romney for any outrage to such incompetence.

I have not heard or seen Romney stating he would have handled Benghazi the same way.

Are you saying if the economy was great Benghazi would be getting news traction?

Romney did not mention Benghazi the same way Reagan did not hammer the hostage crisis against Carter. He knew and Romney knows it will speak for itself with voters. The only difference being the MSM is worse today than in Reagan's day. But as info comes out no one would blame Romney for any outrage to such incompetence.

I have not heard or seen Romney stating he would have handled Benghazi the same way.

Are you saying if the economy was great Benghazi would be getting news traction?

well the Iranian deal was an open sore, 285 days open; that re-emphasized carters incompetence and petty dealing that applied to almost every area of his administration.
selling the whitehouse ashtrays, wearing sweaters, refusing to wheel and deal with political rivals to push his own agenda, insisting that his own party obey him like a king.
very southern perception of leadership

plus the threat of action as everyone knew would produce direct results.
the beruit bombing had not occurred yet and it was a different time.
that debate did not show carter was wrong,
it gave the impression that here too; the president was frightened

any action in Libya will produce an obligation not results.

to show that president is hiding something is to show that he is control

unless it is a mistress or stolen money or some that involved debauchery.
even then if you have a job you just might let that go.

"any action in Libya will produce an obligation not results.

to show that president is hiding something is to show that he is control "

There already IS an obligation on the POTUS to protect Americans. That should have been the first response, especially knowing the situation, as flowing information continues to show. If it WAS a spontaneous riot an argument could be made for civilian versus military. But it was not a riot over a stupid youtube video. It was an action by Al Queda and the Muslim Brotherhood.

He is hardly in control having to lie for weeks. His lies mean something to those who see the POTUS as commander in chief, to those who see truth as an asset, not a liability.

Either get out of other nations or protect citizens there. Leaving them to get killed and lying about it is certainly a Misdemeanor, if not High Crime.

"any action in Libya will produce an obligation not results.

to show that president is hiding something is to show that he is control "

There already IS an obligation on the POTUS to protect Americans. That should have been the first response, especially knowing the situation, as flowing information continues to show. If it WAS a spontaneous riot an argument could be made for civilian versus military. But it was not a riot over a stupid youtube video. It was an action by and the Muslim Brotherhood.

He is hardly in control having to lie for weeks. His lies mean something to those who see the POTUS as commander in chief, to those who see truth as an asset, not a liability.

Either get out of other nations or protect citizens there. Leaving them to get killed and lying about it is certainly a Misdemeanor, if not High Crime.

very difficult to protect a dead man.
the rest of the statement implies that that there Al Queda we are not killing when the opportunity arises,
without any evidence that we are protecting certain Al Queda well
all you are left with is speculation,

death is an presidential prerogative, and soldiers have many uses. sometimes it useful for them to die.
unless of course you can show that Obama had some personal reason for wanting the ambassador dead, and you can show that he caused his death for personal gain, not national utility, then you might have a case.
but were along way from that.
but to the electorate it is not important,
for the reasons I stated.

it very easy to make the understandable case that an ambassador in libya was an error in judgment and that to publicly withdraw him would be nationally embarrassing
so they withdrew the support knowing that the natives would expel him one way or another.
very Machiavellian I know but, there you are

There is now information coming out that General Carter Ham has been arrested for not standing down during the crisis, and that Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette has been removed from duty for moving to assist Ham in helping those on the ground in Benghazi.

If these things are so, now you have exactly what I mentioned - disintegration in the military which will lead to problems untold in American history, and all this at a time of war. This is no 48 hour news cycle story. This is going to blow up bigger than Sandy. You can be guaranteed there are people in the military who have had it up to here with Obama, traitor in chief.

This makes me sick. I am thankful my father is not alive to see all this.

JCP you can spin this any way you want to but as more info comes out the Marxist traitor will not be able to wrangle out of this. More and more intel shows he knew, he saw, he commanded and people are dead who should not be from the circumstances which killed them.

If Americans care more about their wallets than their freedom and those in charge of it, their wallets mean zero, anyway.

i wasn't spinning anything,
that's a silly thing to say.
i was simply suggesting alternative scenarios to fit what fact are known
so far not very much is actually known by anyone who matters.
youtube is unlikely to try Obama for treason though I'm sure that's the preferred solution
then; guess what,
we can have a goverment like egypt! hoo raa!
and your allusion of a coup de tat from the pentagon seems a lil far fetched.
but you enjoy it in what ever manner seems best to you
that's what it's there for.

If you don't agree with the right, you're 'spinning it'.

If the news doesn't say what you want, they're the Lamestream Media.

If you don't believe the plethora of paranoid conspiracy theories you're a commie.

Really, the lies used to be funny, now it's just pathetic.

JCP, by spin I meant your take - if the MSM does not pick up on it it is not important to Americans or America. You can believe that. Information coming out daily means something to those who believe the Benghazi event shows important things about Obama and his administration.

At this point it is dubious if the MSM is reporting things correctly on the economy. That battle of "spin" on numbers has gone on for decades. God forbid anyone should rely on the MSM for truth in reporting news of any kind.

Jimmy, you make me want secession. There are obviously two Americas now. Secession is the only practical solution. You cannot happily exist in a Constitutional Republic so your side has worked for decades to remove it. Now, with the nation on the brink if a state seceded and others joined, that's where I'm heading, simply because life is not just music discussion.

All I want is a Constitutional Republic with free markets. People like you want to control everybody you disagree with by making laws which take away freedoms and liberty to pursue happiness and life as the Creator grants inalienable rights to.

That truly is the bottom line - the Creator.

One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The nation is obviously sharply divided and there is no one who can unite it again. Secession is the only thing that will avert coming civil unrest, if not revolution and civil war.

If by secession you mean packing up your stuff and moving to a different country I'm all for it. Please take all your nitwit paranoid conspiracy theory friends with you.

If by secession you mean packing up your stuff and moving to a different country I'm all for it. Please take all your nitwit paranoid conspiracy theory friends with you.

You are such an ASSHOLE TROUBLEMAKER! Why don't you leave PHUKER Hell you hate this country and no one in it is as good as you are Mr. Peter Puffer!

Yes I am such a troublemaker for inviting a traitor to leave if they don't like this country. And yes you are a traitor as well if you think seceding is an answer. Kiss my shiny metallic ass Jeffy.