General Music Chat

I originally thought it was a place in the sky, where we take our keys for maintenance and what not...

Undoubtedly a poetic bias of your inherent spirituality.

Th Black Keys song is not in the same county as the other 3, let alone the same ballpark. 'Anthem'?? for what? the changeover to electric in the song comes way too late to make sense, the lyrics are mostly incomprehensible.

OY VEY Mike! You hear and Play Beatles but you dont "Listen"

Rule #1 In songwriting Plagerism)
If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck...It IS a duck.
Do you not hear and discern common gesture between the first and the last song? Did you completely miss the nick off of the Mary Jane song (You mentioned the Electric Guitar break)? and finally do you not detect the element of Ian Anderson influence in the vocal gesture? (Aqualung link was not included)

As for the Anthem, Seriously? The whole last half of the Black Keys was Anthem

Maybe we just don't share the same definition

What's a vocal gesture? Merriam Wrbster: something said or done by way of formality or courtesy, as a symbol or token, or for its effect on the attitudes of others

Same chord pattern melody notes at end of chorus as Can't Find My Way, but that's it for its similarity.

Electric part, same 3 chords as Last Dance with MJ in the first part of its pattern, but TP songs are not exactly 'different;.

No idea what YOU mean by anthem. For me, an anthem is something that moves people and encourages them to stand together.

Th Black Keys song is not in the same county as the other 3, let alone the same ballpark. 'Anthem'?? for what? the changeover to electric in the song comes way too late to make sense, the lyrics are mostly incomprehensible.

OY VEY Mike! You hear and Play Beatles but you dont "Listen"

Rule #1 In songwriting Plagerism)
If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck...It IS a duck.
Do you not hear and discern common gesture between the first and the last song? Did you completely miss the nick off of the Mary Jane song (You mentioned the Electric Guitar break)? and finally do you not detect the element of Ian Anderson influence in the vocal gesture? (Aqualung link was not included)

As for the Anthem, Seriously? The whole last half of the Black Keys was Anthem

Maybe we just don't share the same definition

What's a vocal gesture? Merriam Webster: something said or done by way of formality or courtesy, as a symbol or token, or for its effect on the attitudes of others

In The Contest of Music, Vocal gesture is said to take the prosody of the song: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosody_(linguistics). I prolly should have just said prosody in the first place.

Same chord pattern melody notes at end of chorus as Can't Find My Way, but that's it for its similarity.

Well there's more, but you are on track. That was my point... There is essential form and then derivatives thereafter.

Electric part, same 3 chords as Last Dance with MJ in the first part of its pattern, but TP songs are not exactly 'different;.

Being different or not isn't the point. The BK song is an amalgam of three established forms

No idea what YOU mean by anthem. For me, an anthem is something that moves people and encourages them to stand together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AnthemSPangled banner
Note the section on Music Theory and modern use. According to your definition, we should all be heavily inspired by the Star Spangled Banner ... There was a time when that was true... But the scope of an audience doesnt have to be so grand anymore. As I said, (and given the mix production quality of the BK song, the last half meets the wiki definition of an anthem

Vinny, I'd slap you but I don't wanna see your man boobs jiggle.

I may spew because of that sight. lol

Vinny, I'd slap you but I don't wanna see your man boobs jiggle.

I may spew because of that sight. lol

Boobs? Ha! Those are butt cheeks in your face Scotty!

LOL Eww I hope not your butt cheeks..

I am still haunted by the stinky face Rikishi gave me after I lost on RAW.
(wink)(or was dat also a hallucination?)

Never take a Ladder Match, they always suck.

I've been in bands with people who tried to scientifically "define" every song, used music theory on why a song or part of a song "works" or not. I don't know anything about music theory. I can't even tell you what notes I play most of the time. I play things that technically don't make sense at times, but somehow it works. Maybe it's the genre I play. But sometimes, and this is just my opinion, when writing a song and trying to make it "work" scientifically, you can get bogged down in details too much, and the song ends up not "working." I go by "feel." Whether it's an original or a cover, if I like the "feel" of a song, I go wth it. I'm not sure how the song evolved or if it emulates anything. I guess it's interesting sometimes to attempt to scientifically "define" a tune. But in the end, the best way to see if a song "works" is playing it in front of an audience. That"ll really "define" it....

the rules are there to help accomplish a specific goal
the more rules you know the easier it is to get something done, get out of a jam or what have you.
the rules are always helpful, unless of course you don't happen to know them, then they can be quite bothersome.

Soome people have paralysis by analysis. Especially when it comes to music.

The rules are great while they work, but always be prepared to go with your gut. That almost always trumps the rules.

Bob, And Scotty, I agree with you both... We gotta go with the gut and just 'let' the song emerge...

However, JC is also correct. The responsible thing to do as an artist is to at least understand the rudimentary rules that underlie the crafting of a song. Otherwise, you'll just wind up in a sewing factory, piecing together soundbytes and not really advancing a new creation.

The Black keys Song "Little Black Submarines" is a great song. But is there anything original in it, to speak of? That's the debatable question here.

I have taken time to bring forth and illustrate certain elements that make the question plausible. My personal conviction is that as artists, we should act on musical principle and not necessarily on trend. ( I suspect this song teeters on both. )

Its commercially viable and I personally like the song.. But in no way would I say this is their best work... I'm even inclined to say most of it is Not their work. But That's just my humble opinion.

Soome people have paralysis by analysis. Especially when it comes to music.

who cares what some people do, all that matters is what I do
as far as music is concerned.

"A witty saying proves nothing"
Voltaire

The music is what it is.

I don't try to understand or control it, I just try to get it OUT so i can move on to the next one.

Write 1000 tunes, 100 will be so-so, 10 will be good and 5 of them will blow your mind and maybe, just maybe 1 will be better than you could have ever imagined.

If you don't write them, then who will ever get to hear that glorious score that only you can hear? NO ONE. Get cracking. Stop wasting time.

And sometimes you just need to get out of the way and let the music HAPPEN!

The music is what it is.

I don't try to understand or control it, I just try to get it OUT so i can move on to the next one.

Write 1000 tunes, 100 will be so-so, 10 will be good and 5 of them will blow your mind and maybe, just maybe 1 will be better than you could have ever imagined.

If you don't write them, then who will ever get to hear that glorious score that only you can hear? NO ONE. Get cracking. Stop wasting time.

. Exactly right.