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Wow someone needs a heavy bag in the gar-age.. lol

Anti-semitism has and is being used enough as it is. Just because one disagrees with you or in this case simply points out another valid view ...that does not make them anti-seminte.

I call it anti-semitism because that's what it is. The results of this kind of blood libel has always been murder of innocent people. The lies Carter spreads are thinly veiled and completely unsubstantiated. Those who believe him only do so because it supports their latent racism and justifies the darkness of their own heart.

I just posted the proof of why the blood-libel of "apartheid" is total bullshit. Can you be man enough to admit I'm right? I've never said that Israel is totally righteous in all they do, but you aren't willing to admit that MOST of their policies are the result of a defensive position, nor do anti-Semites (anti-Zionist is the same thing only gutless) apply critical judgment evenly. I've given an answer to EVERY OBJECTION you have raised that you can not refute with reason or fact. Is it my fault you don't have a leg to stand on when you say Netanyahu is some kind of maniacal monster bent on war?

I've found you to be an intelligent person....so why do you fall for the lies of murderers?

Why don't you guys just admit that you hate the jews having a homeland where they can defend their families from murderers who have hounded them since forever? I'd respect an honest racist more than the self-deluded deceiver.




Hey...why don't you and Vinny tell me what your definition of anti-semitism is? Then show me why neither of you are. I can hardly wait...

And don't assume that means it strains our friendship here. I'm not easily offended, but I don't shy away from calling lies what they are.

As in every debate or argument I've had here, the only side I'm on is the truth. If you can prove I'm wrong about you, I will be the first to apologize. What I won't do is act like speaking murder isn't a big deal.

fair enough?

Apparently, seeing the name Carter caused your knee to jerk so hard that you were unable to watch the video. I will assume because of that you are unable to form any intelligent refutation or discussion of it's comparison of the West Bank occupation and Apartheid. The more hysterical you get, the weaker your argument looks.

Using the same logic that states:
"If you are anti-Zionist, then you are anti-Semitic, a bigot"

we can say that:
"If you are anti-Obama, then you are anti-black people, a bigot"

Both statements rely on the same faulty logic.

Anti-semitism has and is being used enough as it is. Just because one disagrees with you or in this case simply points out another valid view ...that does not make them anti-seminte.

I call it anti-semitism because that's what it is. The results of this kind of blood libel has always been murder of innocent people. The lies Carter spreads are thinly veiled and completely unsubstantiated. Those who believe him only do so because it supports their latent racism and justifies the darkness of their own heart.

I just posted the proof of why the blood-libel of "apartheid" is total bullshit. Can you be man enough to admit I'm right? I've never said that Israel is totally righteous in all they do, but you aren't willing to admit that MOST of their policies are the result of a defensive position, nor do anti-Semites (anti-Zionist is the same thing only gutless) apply critical judgment evenly. I've given an answer to EVERY OBJECTION you have raised that you can not refute with reason or fact. Is it my fault you don't have a leg to stand on when you say Netanyahu is some kind of maniacal monster bent on war?

I've found you to be an intelligent person....so why do you fall for the lies of murderers?

Why don't you guys just admit that you hate the jews having a homeland where they can defend their families from murderers who have hounded them since forever? I'd respect an honest racist more than the self-deluded deceiver.




Hey...why don't you and Vinny tell me what your definition of anti-semitism is? Then show me why neither of you are. I can hardly wait...

And don't assume that means it strains our friendship here. I'm not easily offended, but I don't shy away from calling lies what they are.

As in every debate or argument I've had here, the only side I'm on is the truth. If you can prove I'm wrong about you, I will be the first to apologize. What I won't do is act like speaking murder isn't a big deal.

fair enough?

Apparently, seeing the name Carter caused your knee to jerk so hard that you were unable to watch the video. I will assume because of that you are unable to form any intelligent refutation or discussion of it's comparison of the West Bank occupation and Apartheid. The more hysterical you get, the weaker your argument looks.

Using the same logic that states:
"If you are anti-Zionist, then you are anti-Semitic, a bigot"

we can say that:
"If you are anti-Obama, then you are anti-black people, a bigot"

Both statements rely on the same faulty logic.

If you are anti bigot then you are anti-Thomas Jefferson

Anti-semitism has and is being used enough as it is. Just because one disagrees with you or in this case simply points out another valid view ...that does not make them anti-seminte.

I call it anti-semitism because that's what it is. The results of this kind of blood libel has always been murder of innocent people. The lies Carter spreads are thinly veiled and completely unsubstantiated. Those who believe him only do so because it supports their latent racism and justifies the darkness of their own heart.

I just posted the proof of why the blood-libel of "apartheid" is total bullshit. Can you be man enough to admit I'm right? I've never said that Israel is totally righteous in all they do, but you aren't willing to admit that MOST of their policies are the result of a defensive position, nor do anti-Semites (anti-Zionist is the same thing only gutless) apply critical judgment evenly. I've given an answer to EVERY OBJECTION you have raised that you can not refute with reason or fact. Is it my fault you don't have a leg to stand on when you say Netanyahu is some kind of maniacal monster bent on war?

I've found you to be an intelligent person....so why do you fall for the lies of murderers?

Why don't you guys just admit that you hate the jews having a homeland where they can defend their families from murderers who have hounded them since forever? I'd respect an honest racist more than the self-deluded deceiver.




Hey...why don't you and Vinny tell me what your definition of anti-semitism is? Then show me why neither of you are. I can hardly wait...

And don't assume that means it strains our friendship here. I'm not easily offended, but I don't shy away from calling lies what they are.

As in every debate or argument I've had here, the only side I'm on is the truth. If you can prove I'm wrong about you, I will be the first to apologize. What I won't do is act like speaking murder isn't a big deal.

fair enough?

Apparently, seeing the name Carter caused your knee to jerk so hard that you were unable to watch the video. I will assume because of that you are unable to form any intelligent refutation or discussion of it's comparison of the West Bank occupation and Apartheid. The more hysterical you get, the weaker your argument looks.

Using the same logic that states:
"If you are anti-Zionist, then you are anti-Semitic, a bigot"

we can say that:
"If you are anti-Obama, then you are anti-black people, a bigot"

Both statements rely on the same faulty logic.

If you are anti bigot then you are anti-Thomas Jefferson

OK .. so lets at least kick Thomas Jefferson's ass out of Israel.

Both statements rely on the same faulty logic.

I'm a news junky and extremely well-informed about who Jimmy Carter is and who Obama is.

Would you listen Achminidijad's opinions about protecting the civil rights of Israelis? In your case, maybe so...

But that's the faulty logic you're using. Carter has been proven as credible as the little dictator of Iran when it comes to Israel. I don't have to go to the city garbage dump to know it smells bad.



I also clearly showed you why the apartheid comparison is STUPID. Why don't you deal with that instead of acting like Jimmy Carter has more than peanut for a brain?







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I also clearly showed you why the apartheid comparison is STUPID. Why don't you deal with that instead of acting like Jimmy Carter has more than peanut for a brain?

You clearly showed that you failed at being able to understand what was said in the video well enough to make an intelligent statement of rebuttal.

"The West Bank and Gaza are not part of sovereign Israel and Palestinians within those areas are governed by the Palestinian Authority

Restrictions are only imposed on those territories by Israel for reasons of security

Israel cannot accurately be called an apartheid state because Israeli law guarantees Arab citizens of Israel the same rights as other Israeli citizens without distinction of race, creed or sex.

Israel's Arab citizens can and do run in elections and become ministers in the Israeli government. "

All that is discussed and considered in the video


Using the same logic that states:
"If you are anti-Zionist, then you are anti-Semitic, a bigot"

we can say that:
"If you are anti-Obama, then you are anti-black people, a bigot"

Both statements rely on the same faulty logic.

I will not stomach that blithering idiot and failed President. He, and all who support him, disgrace America.


Here is why the apartheid comparison is STUPID and only a racist would make the claim:



1. The West Bank and Gaza are not part of sovereign Israel and Palestinians within those areas are governed by the Palestinian Authority

2. Restrictions are only imposed on those territories by Israel for reasons of security

3. Israel cannot accurately be called an apartheid state because Israeli law guarantees Arab citizens of Israel the same rights as other Israeli citizens without distinction of race, creed or sex.

4. Israel's Arab citizens can and do run in elections and become ministers in the Israeli government



If you want to quote Jimmah Kottah, go ahead. It will prove you haven't an intelligent response.


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...Antisemitism ... anti-smitism ... anti-Semitism ... is suspicion of, hatred toward or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish Heritage. Social "scientists" consider it a form of racism.

In 2005 a US government report on antisemitism is defined as "hatred towards Jews ... individually and as a group ... that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity."

Extreme instances of such ... persecution, pogroms, violent attacks by mobs, state police, military attacks on entire communities and massacres. These are all also things the Israeli "Government" is accused of in it's ethnic cleansing and apartheid of the Palestinians. What I or Yod may think changes none of this.

Dane ... the term antisemite might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all semitic peoples but the term was "coined" in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific sounding term for Judenhass ...the hatred of Jews and this has been it's normal usage since. It has been expanded to include political, economic and religious antisemitism which actually dates back to Cicero.

Social Antisemitism ...

Religious ....The Jew as Christ Killer

Economic ....The Jew as Banker, usurer, money-obsessed

Social ...The Jew as socially inferior, "pushy" and vulgar

Racist ... Jews as an inferior race

Idealogical ... Jews regarded as subversive

Cultural ... Jews regarded as undermining the moral and structural fiber of civilization

In the 1990's some scholars have advanced the concept of "New Antisemitism" coming simultaneously from the left, the right and radical Islam which tends to focus upon opposition to the "creation" of a Jewish "Homeland" ... The State of Israel ...this encompasses anti-Zionism as well. Those who believe in this "new" concept of antisemitism feel that criticisms of Israel and of Zionism which are different things are also antisemitism. They also assert that this "New Antisemitism" deploys traditional antisemitic motifs and includes older motifs such as the "Blood Libel". This is often associated with the Rothschilds, NWO and Bohemian Groves "Cremation of Care" ...the AntiHuman Agendas.

Torture and Human Sacrifice are contrary to the teachings of Judiasm as they are to christianity and catholicism. The Ten Commandments in the Torah forbid murder. Consumption of human flesh violates kashrut. In the Old Testament animal sacrifice was an integral part of Ancient Judaism. The Tanakh classifies human sacrifice as one of the evils that seperates the Pagans from the Hebrews. The origins of the Blood Libel are found in the writings of the Graeco-Egyptian Apion who wrote of Jews sacrificing Greek victims in their temple.

More to come ....Ta

...More ...Antisemitism goes far back in history ... Posdonius and Apollonius Molon in the 1st Century BCE. In 2003 Osama Al-Baz ( a senior advisor to Mubarak) published a series of articles explaining the origins of Blood Libel. He stated that Arabs and Muslims have never been antisemitic as a group but that a few Arab writers and media figures have attacked Jews "on the basis of racist fallacies and myths that originated in Europe."

Throughout history Jews have been expelled from 70 countries ... some more than once. Jews have recieved billions of dollars from Germany and upwards of 1.25 billion dollars from Swiss banks not including what Israel has gotten from the US. False Flag events have been staged by Israel many times including the Lavon Affair and he USS Liberty Operation. The Jonathon Pollard Spy Case demonstrates that the Israeli "Government" is no different from any other "government".

Israel purports to be the only "Democracy" in the middle east but their actions clearly state otherwise ... larceny, lying, manipulation, avariciousness along with questionable politics, lobbying and usurious business/economic policies. Of course there are many on both sides who would hotly debate this but the situation is no different than any other modern "government" or "Democracy" in the world.

MOre ...to ...come Ta

Thank you, kind sir, for fulfilling my request of your definition. It shows that you do have a sense of honor, honesty, and integrity. Unlike Jimmy Carter or his supporters...

Idealogical ... Jews regarded as subversive

Cultural ... Jews regarded as undermining the moral and structural fiber of civilization

please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what you have been proposing with regard to Israel and Netanyahu?

Jews have recieved billions of dollars from Germany and upwards of 1.25 billion dollars from Swiss banks not including what Israel has gotten from the US.

and that is a mere fraction of what was taken from them in all the countries where the nazis went.

the Israeli "Government" is no different from any other "government".

Depends on what you mean by that, and which government you are comparing them to, I suppose. Why should anyone expect their government to be different? I'm not going to defend politicians.

Israel purports to be the only "Democracy" in the middle east but their actions clearly state otherwise ...

Again...you use a different measuring stick when singling out Israel. The nations around them don't respect civil rights one iota.

larceny, lying, manipulation, avariciousness along with questionable politics, lobbying and usurious business/economic policies. Of course there are many on both sides who would hotly debate this but the situation is no different than any other modern "government" or "Democracy" in the world.

And I don't disagree with that. Politicians are as wicked as insurance companies.

It's the double-standard applied to Israel that I have disagreed with you about. Israel is NOT the problem, though there may be some "zionists" who are part of the problem. They are surrounded by 40 million people who want to push them into the sea. What do you expect them to do?

If Netanyahu actually wanted every arab-who-calls-themself-Palestinian dead it would have already happened.

...MORE TO COME ... Jews dominate the entertainment, film, pornography, and mass media industries. They also play major roles in organized crime, the slave trade, apartheid and oppression ... as do the US and England. I point this out to illustrate that they are as immoral as anyone else. Israel is after hegemony in the middle east and control /influence greatly the US Foreign Policy in the middle east. Zionism is considered by it's nature to be anti-Christian.

Jews have suffered expulsion since at least 250 C. E. They were expulsed from Jerusalem in 325 C. E. Now they want to make it their capitol. The first Holocaust they suffered was in 469 C.E. They have been staked, burned alive, attacked by mobs, murdered, massacred, tortured, raped and expulsed for a very long time and by almost every country they have been in. Why ? I do not know but I certainly wonder.

Yes perhaps I may be plagued by latent racism whatever that is. I have been in fact accused of being "dark" on many occasions. I may be considered by many to be this or that or whatever insult ... but I merely question things and try to think about them. Knowing that most of what we are told is lies then this does complicate things.Puttinf Blood Libel and apartheid committed by Jews does not seem to go together very well. Yod, it is not a question of you or even I "being right".

Any opinions are just that ... opinions. For every one which states this there is another that states that ... the same with atricles, books and news media. Now most are blatant lies with hidden agenda. It seems that Israel's "defensive position" is a direst result of paranoia for what has been done to them as well as what they have done. To equate antisemite with antiZionist is to fall victim to the "New Concept of Anti Semitism" and therefore propaganda. Yes, you have given your answers to everything that is stated and that you find objectionable. They are as credible as anything else. Nothing you or I may say will refute that for many centuries and in many countries Jews have been considered not desirable.

Netanyahu will by his actions ... much the same as the Black Messiah ... bury themselves showing their true motivation and colour. Time will demonstrate this so it is futile to debate. I do not "fall" for lies from political filth, media scum, murderers or radicals ... I merely question, relate my opinion and admit that I do not have answers. I try not to insult and only to invoke critical thought and debate. To condemn any political leader as if we "know" the truth about their words is actually laughable and tragic at the same moment.

I do not hate Jews. I do take issue and question their concept of "Homeland", their methods, their history, their involvement in the world's current problems and most of all their motivations. All this I do knowing that the "average Jew" is much the same as the average Arab, American, Indian, Afrikan. German, Chinaman etc. etc.

Ta More to come ...

It seems that Israel's "defensive position" is a direst result of paranoia for what has been done to them as well as what they have done.

OK, I concede that you don't hate jews, like Jimmy Carter and his ilk. You hate politicians, as do I, and ascribe evil motives to any and every thing they do, which I do not necessarily agree with.

But you do seem to be an expert on paranoia!



Is there a reason why they shouldn't be paranoid, given the littany of nations who have tried to exterminate them going all the way back to Pharaoh?

Is it still paranoia when it's true that everyone IS out to get you?




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...Yod ... you are welcome and may I say that you also have a profound sense of Honour and integrity. You will always be welcome around my fire and treasured as a friend and fellow human who devotes his life to living, creating and expressing.

I propose nothing like condemnation of Jewish Ideology. I just ask why what is happening is happening ... the motivation behind it all. Unlike you I am not calling Netanyahu names etc. I do understand your passion and will not condemn you for it as that would also be selfcondemnation.

We both know that we can in no way "defend" political filth. We generally agree on much withregard to government and such. What I would like to do to politicians does not include "voting".

Yes you are correct about the other nations not respecting civil rights, The same can be said now about any Nation or Government I believe. The world is fast approaching it's lowest ebb and there is still much more to the fall. I know that you know this and in part as I, draw motivation from it.

If I may propose something here ... the result of our "polite" and "disagreeable" communications ... Double Standard seems to be the stumbling block. I may seem to be "picking" on Israel and Jews ... which I am doing at the moment but I also "pick" on the US and Iran and all the others ... perhaps in my mind more than with words at the moment.

For this I apologize to you. You make these sweeping statements as well "If N. wanted all the P's dead it would have already happened" We both know that for a great variety of reasons at least at this moment this could not happen. I agree with Glenn that we need to stop this "bickering" as some may view it. I also know that because we are the way we are ... we will not cease until we have at least made our individual opinions as clear as we can and feel satisfied in this. In part this is because it is important to each of us what the other thinks and this is good.

So ... let me say that I know that we do not understand one another completely and that this is more frustrating because of our respect and feelings for one another. This will no doubt be a yuk yuk point for some but I am not ashamed or embarrased for my feelings about you so have no problem declaring them. I also feel that pretty much every government and politician in the entire world is corrupted with the Great Evil which is now emerging in force. It is AntiHuman, World Domination, Eugenic based and feeds upon mankind's weaknesses, greed. immorality and power lust.

For me this is the true enemy ... not Israel, not Palestine, not Netanyahu, not Obama, not the common man, woman nor child. It is now at this moment a struggle for those who "see". For those who do not it is a struggle for domination, wealth, power, etc. We are all of us as Jews lining up outside the showers. This I believe with all my heart. Glenn's Post made me realize that he likes both of us and it is therefore upsetting to witness our bander. I accept your opinions, tolerate your insult and take solace in your friendship like a Brother.

There is no need for us to argue now ... no time left actually. There is a need for us to be allied in facing what comes. We each have much to do. There is no time left for argument ... only need for us to do what is our nature ...these are the last moments.

More coming Ta

...more ...There is and has been something far more sordid afoot. It has been here for quite some time. It is now all encompassing and all threatening ... to everyone. It is scientific, religious, technical and evil. I agree with Glenn wholeheartedly ... any petty bickering is negative and we have more pressing, more threatening problems to deal with or die. Thank you Glenn.

The political filth, the corporate scum, the banking parasites, the AntiHumans and their minions all comprise the Pyramid of Evil which sees clearly it's own Agenda... a cyclopic greed which has now become the Cancer of the World and it needs to be cut out lest the world perish.

As Artists and Musicians we need to become prolific and aggressive, united in purpose and more expressive than we have ever been. We are dead, the planet, it's oceans. it's skies and it's soil is being killed. We are zombies surrounded by other zombies, we are "eating" our children and their futures. Ragnarok is here and we must run forward if we are to cross the bridge as it also is being destroyed.

Ta Live Well Die Well

NO VAMP,, You taught me that! Thanks.