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#189306 by Vampier
Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:15 pm
...Glenn ...I obviously disagree with you regarding "the moment Iran has them, they will us them". Once again everyone else that has them {nukes) has yet to use them, even the US in recent history as well as during the "cold war". I would say at this point in my diatribe that Iran is most definately not "stupid", at least not any more so than any other country ... ours included. I believe that any "stupid" thing they may do (and they may) will be done because of their "religion" ... further I believe that this applies across the board and to the "International Community" as well. At this moment the majority of "stupid" things done by anyone are due to religion{hatred), greed (control) or anger (frustration). Very soon FEAR will be added to this list. If one wishes to blame religion for death then the Catholic Church wins this hands down ... for the moment.

As I have stated before I sincerely hope I am mistaken and will happily say so if I am proven to be. News from the "Syrian Front" has not been very forthcoming recently and this demonstrates to me that it is in fact utterly controlled and manipulated and that "something" is afoot of a subversive nature. I totally agree with you Glenn regarding ... Oil and Food Prices and World Stability. Regarding religion ... Zen Buddhism states that " if you see Buddha on the street ... kill him".

It will be interesting.

Ta Live Well Die Well

#189353 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:38 pm
Here is the article I mentioned earlier. This arab reporter in the Arab News confirms everything I've been telling you about Israel and it's relationship to the enemies around her"




Arab Spring and the Israeli enemy

ABDULATEEF AL-MULHIM
Saturday 6 October 2012
Last Update 6 October 2012 2:53 am

Thirty-nine years ago, on Oct. 6, 1973, the third major war between the Arabs and Israel broke out. The war lasted only 20 days. The two sides were engaged in two other major wars, in 1948 and 1967.


The 1967 War lasted only six days. But, these three wars were not the only Arab-Israel confrontations. From the period of 1948 and to this day many confrontations have taken place. Some of them were small clashes and many of them were full-scale battles, but there were no major wars apart from the ones mentioned above. The Arab-Israeli conflict is the most complicated conflict the world ever experienced. On the anniversary of the 1973 War between the Arab and the Israelis, many people in the Arab world are beginning to ask many questions about the past, present and the future with regard to the Arab-Israeli conflict.


The questions now are: What was the real cost of these wars to the Arab world and its people. And the harder question that no Arab national wants to ask is: What was the real cost for not recognizing Israel in 1948 and why didn’t the Arab states spend their assets on education, health care and the infrastructures instead of wars? But, the hardest question that no Arab national wants to hear is whether Israel is the real enemy of the Arab world and the Arab people.


I decided to write this article after I saw photos and reports about a starving child in Yemen, a burned ancient Aleppo souk in Syria, the under developed Sinai in Egypt, car bombs in Iraq and the destroyed buildings in Libya. The photos and the reports were shown on the Al-Arabiya network, which is the most watched and respected news outlet in the Middle East.


The common thing among all what I saw is that the destruction and the atrocities are not done by an outside enemy. The starvation, the killings and the destruction in these Arab countries are done by the same hands that are supposed to protect and build the unity of these countries and safeguard the people of these countries. So, the question now is that who is the real enemy of the Arab world?


The Arab world wasted hundreds of billions of dollars and lost tens of thousands of innocent lives fighting Israel, which they considered is their sworn enemy, an enemy whose existence they never recognized. The Arab world has many enemies and Israel should have been at the bottom of the list. The real enemies of the Arab world are corruption, lack of good education, lack of good health care, lack of freedom, lack of respect for the human lives and finally, the Arab world had many dictators who used the Arab-Israeli conflict to suppress their own people. 


These dictators’ atrocities against their own people are far worse than all the full-scale Arab-Israeli wars.


In the past, we have talked about why some Israeli soldiers attack and mistreat Palestinians. Also, we saw Israeli planes and tanks attack various Arab countries. But, do these attacks match the current atrocities being committed by some Arab states against their own people?


In Syria, the atrocities are beyond anybody’s imaginations. And, isn’t it true the Iraqis are the ones who are destroying their own country? Wasn’t it Tunisia’s dictator who was able to steal 13 billion dollars from the poor Tunisians? And how can a child starve in Yemen if their land is the most fertile land in the world? Why would Iraqi brains leave Iraq in a country that makes 110 billion dollars from oil export? Why do the Lebanese fail to govern one of the tiniest countries in the world? And what made the Arab states start sinking into chaos?


On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel was declared. And just one day after that, on May 15, 1948 the Arabs declared war on Israel to get back Palestine. The war ended on March 10, 1949. It lasted for nine months, three weeks and two days. The Arabs lost the war and called this war Nakbah (catastrophic war). The Arabs gained nothing and thousands of Palestinians became refugees.


And on 1967, the Arabs led by Egypt under the rule of Gamal Abdul Nasser, went in war with Israel and lost more Palestinian land and made more Palestinian refugees who are now on the mercy of the countries that host them. The Arabs called this war Naksah (upset). The Arabs never admitted defeat in both wars and the Palestinian cause got more complicated. And now, with the never ending Arab Spring, the Arab world has no time for the Palestinians refugees or Palestinian cause, because many Arabs are refugees themselves and under constant attacks from their own forces. Syrians are leaving their own country, not because of the Israeli planes dropping bombs on them. It is the Syrian Air Force which is dropping the bombs. And now, Iraqi Arab Muslims, most intelligent brains, are leaving Iraq for the est. In Yemen, the world’s saddest human tragedy play is being written by the Yemenis. In Egypt, the people in Sinai are forgotten. 


Finally, if many of the Arab states are in such disarray, then what happened to the Arabs’ sworn enemy (Israel)? Israel now has the most advanced research facilities, top universities and advanced infrastructure. Many Arabs don’t know that the life expectancy of the Palestinians living in Israel is far longer than many Arab states and they enjoy far better political and social freedom than many of their Arab brothers. Even the Palestinians living under Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip enjoy more political and social rights than some places in the Arab World. Wasn’t one of the judges who sent a former Israeli president to jail is an Israeli-Palestinian? 


The Arab Spring showed the world that the Palestinians are happier and in better situation than their Arab brothers who fought to liberate them from the Israelis. Now, it is time to stop the hatred and wars and start to create better living conditions for the future Arab generations.



— This article is exclusive to Arab News.


almulhimnavy@hotmail.com

http://arabnews.com/arab-spring-and-israeli-enemy



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#189482 by Vampier
Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:25 am
Yod ... I thank you for Posting the article. I will respond on Monday. Having a good weekend. Hope your was as well. Happy New Moon.

Ta Live Well Die Well
#189859 by Vampier
Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:15 pm
...YOD ... welcome back. I saw your thread ... what is the most important thing in life ... to you ? I assumed you referred to music ...but sense of humour ? GENERAL CHAT does not really mean Sense of Humour ... it may however include it. BandMix is a music site and certainly the best that I know of.

Perhaps most here are not aware that they should be provoking laughter and providing amusement ? Or that their body fluids are not in balance ? They do express themselves with regard to geographic location, culture or lack of it, maturity or lack of it, education or lack of it, intelligence or lack of it and context or lack of it. Those who "lack" a Sense of Humour do find others here inexplicable, strange and even irrational.

Music ... Art Form whose medium is sound and silence. Common elements are pitch governing melody ... harmony ... rhythm and associated concepts ... tempo, meter ... articulation ... dynamics and sonic qualities of timbre and texture. The word music derives from the Greek mousike ..."Art of the Muses".

The Hurrian Hymn to Nikkal 1400 B.C. found on clay tablets is the oldest surviving notated work of music. There are at least 5 rival decipherments of the notation each with entirely different results. It is cuneiform and is in the collection of the National Museum of Damascus.

The lyrics are "religious" and concern offerings to the Goddess Nikkal, the wife of the Moon God. The text arrangement was unknown in Ancient Babylon. The Ancient Egyptians believe Thoth invented music and Osiris used music to civilize the world. Hebrew Litany is accompanied by a rich musical tradition.

Music has always been connected with religion, politics and socio-economics. Music influences political movements, rituals, nationalism and patriotism ... topical music. Most political music unlike other types is not ambiguous ... U2, the Clash, Rage Against The Machine and pu**y Riot are but a few examples of this.

It is often difficult to predict how an audience will relate to music. Folk music is the best known of political music. But Classical, Soul, Rock, Punk Rock, Hip Hop, Gothic, Jazz, Modern and even Country music are all political at times. Social Issues, Political Ideologies, Wars, Policies. Race,Anarchism ... are all reflected, associated and inspired by music. Understanding historical events and their effects are preserved by music. Delivering a "message", expressing a "feeling", communicating with the "people". Music bridges cultural differences better than the spoken or written word .... this alone makes it very valuable in the "Political World". I personally feel that it is harder to "Lie" with music and this gives it the "sacredness" it deserves and the awesome "power" that it possesses.

I like very much to see the Posts and Threads here and the "arguments", insults, agreements and most of all the variety of subject matter. I compliment everyone in this case.

Ta Live Well Die Well
#189870 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:56 pm
Vampier wrote:...YOD ... welcome back. I saw your thread ... what is the most important thing in life ... to you ?



enjoying it with others, of course!?




I like a good scrap like the rest of you, but we're falling right into a trap when we start fighting each other over politicians.

If you're under 30 and not a liberal, you're heartless.

If you're over 30 and not a conservative, you're brainless.



No one has to agree for me to know that is the truth. Argue about it all you want, it's still true.

There comes a time in every person's life when they need to stop lying to themselves. I gave up trying to make people do that a long time ago.

I pray we still have a representative republic on January 20th.
#189877 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:04 pm
Vampier wrote:...Glenn ...I obviously disagree with you regarding "the moment Iran has them, they will us them". Once again everyone else that has them {nukes) has yet to use them, even the US in recent history as well as during the "cold war". I would say at this point in my diatribe that Iran is most definately not "stupid", at least not any more so than any other country ... ours included. I believe that any "stupid" thing they may do (and they may) will be done because of their "religion" ... further I believe that this applies across the board and to the "International Community" as well. At this moment the majority of "stupid" things done by anyone are due to religion{hatred), greed (control) or anger (frustration). Very soon FEAR will be added to this list. If one wishes to blame religion for death then the Catholic Church wins this hands down ... for the moment.

As I have stated before I sincerely hope I am mistaken and will happily say so if I am proven to be. News from the "Syrian Front" has not been very forthcoming recently and this demonstrates to me that it is in fact utterly controlled and manipulated and that "something" is afoot of a subversive nature. I totally agree with you Glenn regarding ... Oil and Food Prices and World Stability. Regarding religion ... Zen Buddhism states that " if you see Buddha on the street ... kill him".

It will be interesting.

Ta Live Well Die Well


Here is the real bottom line,,, Congress must declare WAR. Many men,,,

NEED I EMPHASIZE the words many and men.
War is totally misunderstood and abused as a word. War is Killing women and children and babies and DESTROYING ALL THAT EXISTS.
You say B.S. talk to our WW2 vets. You guys have no respect.
The bottom line should be simple,,
When CONGRESS DECLARES WAR,,,, YOU DON'T PUT OUR SOLDIERS IN HARMS WAY,,,,,

YOU LET THEM KILL!

Right now, it is total BULLSHIIIT!!!!! My constitution has been violated. :twisted:

#189885 by jimmydanger
Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:47 pm
Wooooooooooooooo Hoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! Violate this you stupid moron!

#189889 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:11 am
jimmydanger wrote:Wooooooooooooooo Hoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! Violate this you stupid moron!


ALL YOUR f**k EDUCATION, THAT IS THE BEST YOU COME UP WITH.

Jimmy I hope you make it in music,,,, I would never give you a JOB.

I HATE THAT WORD.

JOB MEANS DEPENDENCE ON SOME ONE ELSE.

SAD so SAD . SICK , SO SICK.


DOES ANY ONE HAVE THE BALLS TO COUNT ON THEMSELVES ANY MORE???

#189946 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:20 am
War in Persia won't be like anything America has seen. It's completely mountainous. It would be impossible to hold.

It seems the best strategy is an EMP that sends them back to the 7th century; or keep hoping for the good people of Iran to overthrow the mullahs.

Israel doesn't have the same luxury we have sitting in our city. They can't wait as long as America can.

But it will be America's problem when they move.

#190028 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:22 pm
GLENNY J wrote:
jimmydanger wrote:Wooooooooooooooo Hoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! Violate this you stupid moron!


ALL YOUR f**k EDUCATION, THAT IS THE BEST YOU COME UP WITH.

Jimmy I hope you make it in music,,,, I would never give you a JOB.

I HATE THAT WORD.

JOB MEANS DEPENDENCE ON SOME ONE ELSE.

SAD so SAD . SICK , SO SICK.


DOES ANY ONE HAVE THE BALLS TO COUNT ON THEMSELVES ANY MORE???


BUMP, FUUCK YOU JIMMY!!!

#190037 by PaperDog
Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:42 am
yod wrote:War in Persia won't be like anything America has seen. It's completely mountainous. It would be impossible to hold.

It seems the best strategy is an EMP that sends them back to the 7th century; or keep hoping for the good people of Iran to overthrow the mullahs.

Israel doesn't have the same luxury we have sitting in our city. They can't wait as long as America can.

But it will be America's problem when they move.


How do they hold the mountain regions? They live in caves, that's how.

#190054 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:08 am
PaperDog wrote:How do they hold the mountain regions? They live in caves, that's how.



Then they will quickly get used to living in the 7th century when that EMP drops.

#190063 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:46 am
We should just go cave to cave and give them Bibles.
Then we should send in teachers so they learn to read.
Then we should send in union reps to show them how organized we are.
Then we should give them all free airline tickets and green cards.
Then we should teach them the proper use of explosives and firearms
Then we should try and limit their food stamps.
Then we can have some real fun.
:lol:

#190077 by Starfish Scott
Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:07 pm
I can teach homemade explosives/ firearms 101. LOL

#190105 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:15 pm
GLENNY J wrote:We should just go cave to cave and give them Bibles.
Then we should send in teachers so they learn to read.
Then we should send in union reps to show them how organized we are.
Then we should give them all free airline tickets and green cards.
Then we should teach them the proper use of explosives and firearms
Then we should try and limit their food stamps.
Then we can have some real fun.
:lol:




Send them all to Detroit to "share the wealth" with Jimmy?









:lol:







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