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#189410 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:18 pm
Drumsinhisheart wrote:"The fastest way to get owned by the nazis of America, is to 'react'; without thought to those rules. I've had my ass set on fire in a court room on more than one occasion because I thought my anger was enough justify my arguments.. Know the enemies rules, so that you can beat the enemy over the head with them." Paperdog

True. True. Rather like Luther during the Reformation - "Defeat them with their own books."


Yea,, we know, thanks buddy.

#189518 by JCP61
Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:38 pm
there you go!
smartest man in the ballpark right there!

#189523 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:58 pm
PaperDog wrote:Glenny and Scotty...

The fastest way to get owned by the nazis of America, is to 'react'; without thought to those rules. I've had my ass set on fire in a court room on more than one occasion because I thought my anger was enough justify my arguments.. Know the enemies rules, so that you can beat the enemy over the head with them.


That is sad.

You are totally wrong about the rules. "THE LAW"
Through out history it has always come down to the man that want's to control another so completely, that they will go to EXTREME positions.

The only way to completely control me.... is to KILL me.

All you government knows best, control and steal, and redistribute....

Come and get me!!!!

I'm still playing by the rules you have worked so hard to corrupt and change over the last 50 years. I feel so bad because all you young people have already lost the opportunity and given up your freedoms. VERY FUUCKING SAD!

#189532 by PaperDog
Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:11 am
GLENNY J wrote:
PaperDog wrote:Glenny and Scotty...

The fastest way to get owned by the nazis of America, is to 'react'; without thought to those rules. I've had my ass set on fire in a court room on more than one occasion because I thought my anger was enough justify my arguments.. Know the enemies rules, so that you can beat the enemy over the head with them.


That is sad.

You are totally wrong about the rules. "THE LAW"
Through out history it has always come down to the man that want's to control another so completely, that they will go to EXTREME positions.

The only way to completely control me.... is to KILL me.

All you government knows best, control and steal, and redistribute....

Come and get me!!!!

I'm still playing by the rules you ha worked so hard to corrupt and change over the last 50 years. I feel so bad because all you young people have already lost the opportunity and given up your freedoms. VERY FUUCKING SAD!



BATTLE PICKERS - by Paperdog

Once upon a time there were three thugs who decided to burn the American flag. As they tossed the match onto the flag, Joe America, winner of the Hot-dog Eating Contest , 12 years in a row, pulled out a glock and shot one of the thugs dead. Eventually, Joe America was convicted and given Life Imprisonment with no possibility of parole.

Later, the remaining two thugs set out to burn another flag. Joe America's Brother, winner of the pancake eating contest , 10 times in a row, drew a bead on one of the thugs with a sniper rifle and shot the thug dead. Joe America's Brother was caught and convicted. He was sentenced with the Death Penalty.

The last thug set out to burn another flag. Joe America's sister was about to scold the thug, but got preoccupied with her toddler's temper tantrum. And so, she just walked on to find the nearest candy store to appease the toddler.

The flag was burned...and nobody else tried to reconcile this heinous act...

One day, twenty years later, the toddler (Named Todd) had grown up and become a Marine. When Todd's mother told him the story about the last flag that got burned, she also went on to explain what happened moments after that flag caught fire... A bomb had been set off...In the building, just next door to that little candy store they had stopped in. The blast had leveled the whole block and took the legs right off of Todd's mother. She was wheel-chair bound the rest of her days.

Upon reflection, the marine went to his base-command and requested orders to the Middle east. His request was granted and it is said that he kills at least 10 Taliban a day, in honor of his own flag, and to avenge his mother's disabilities.


The moral of this story. We can all go on about what we would do if we saw the flag getting burned...
But, its all pipe and smoke until we pick up a weapon as soldiers, and defend our flag, our constitution in the only way that counts... and the only true way that we can retaliate against flag burners and get away with it. You all know what I mean, I'm sure...

#189537 by lalong
Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:51 am
Dog I totally disagree. Vengeance is exactly what got us into Iraq and what did it yield? Better yet, let's not bomb people halfway across the world, when some idiot does something stupid at home. Blind patriotism is what turned Iraq from a mission to remove WMDs and turned into some ideological nonsense, of bringing Iraq democracy, McDonald's and cable TV. Personally I prefer we reserve those folks willing to volunteer and die for their country, on actual tangible defense of our nation and NOTHING else. Not to mention we can't afford to spank every country that pisses us off.

Be warned, we are going to invade another middle east country eventually. So I'm a bit determined not to make that lie as easy as the last one.

When they start spinning that target: Syria, Iran, Turkey, Libya, whatever nation has won our deadly affection, hopefully some folks will recognize it for what it is. We still occupy Iraq through unreportable private "contractors": http://original.antiwar.com/jwhitehead/2012/01/17/privatizing-the-war-on-terror-americas-military-contractors/ That's just a small sliver of the "justice" our politicians have been wielding. It's a huge decadent circus where "trillions" is just a word that means nothing. Anyone wanting to add to that pork fest will get nothing in return, except a broken tomorrow. If they say we need war, you can be assured it's for all the wrong reasons. But you know we will get it anyway, even if no one is cheering on the sidelines. I refuse to drink that Kool-Aid (again). Our embassy in Iraq is 100 acres, 10 shy of being as big as Vatican City. We are there not just to stay, but to conquer.

#189540 by lalong
Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:04 am
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
~ Voltaire

We are at a time where the very last thing anyone should yearn for, is a reason to restrict the rights of another. Hasn't the government done enough of that already? Let's see what else, how about making nativity scenes illegal?

I'm agnostic and personally don't give a rat's ass about it's content as much as its religious expression.Think of the Atheists! Crap they could be walking along and BAM! Instantly they see the light and become born again. Lets stop the aggressive recruitment now! :D This is a ridiculous premise, made real only by litigation. Thirty years ago it would have been unthinkable that a situation this absurd, could become a reality in the US.

But to be politically correct, your liberty must be shared, or surrendered. Less we offend some tiny disenfranchised faction. Which isn't a faction at all, but of all things the absence of an opinion. It's all that "right to be free of religion" crap. (Nobody promised anyone the "right" to censorship) People are real confused about the difference between what's an offered opinion and their personal liberty, to promote, accept, deny or even rebel against it.

To me the proper thing is to hate flag burners, but it would be tyranny to make it illegal. If someone believes strongly enough, even Scott's solution is the better. If you believe it that strongly, then yes maybe that is what you should be willing to do. Wow, that was easy as hell to say. As of yet though, I haven't heard of one mass demonstration against the TSA, not that I would, even if it has happened.

One day I might just feel the need to burn the flag. Hated or not, I reserve that right not only for myself, but for future generations. I'm not willing to give up an ounce of liberty, even if it's accepted as the "proper" thing to do. In reality, no I would never burn the flag, unless someone told me it was illegal. At which point hand me the matches, because it stopped meaning anything anyway.

"We are a nation of laws." most folks have probably heard that quote the part they didn't hear is: "and dependent upon the good "horse" sense of the American people". What our forefathers didn't count on back then, was us becoming timid robotic idiots, looking towards Uncle Sam for moral and social guidance. We are a country of morally broke individuals who can't discern the difference between what's "legal and what's "right".

The conservatives laugh at "occupy wall street" and the liberals laugh at the "tea party". At the same time what the media totally ignores is the fact that hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens, conservative and liberal alike, see it important to demonstrate against our current political system.

The extremists on both ends of the spectrum got it wrong of course, they have been getting it wrong since the beginning of history. But to dismiss the other 90% is just complimenting on the view while your head is in the sand. After this election the best possible position will be your head between your knees. I'd be very surprised if we ever see another one.

The internet confuses the issue that anything offensive should also be disallowed. The license for that comes from volunteering to participate within a private domain. The same logic that gives the TSA their power. The problem arises when that organization forgets, like the TSA, that ALL of their power is "supposedly" dependent upon willful cooperation.

Now they have back scatter vans that can literally x-ray a pedestrian thirty feet away. Just insisting that it be covertly executed, betrays the obvious dubious intent. Why not just paint the vans fluorescent orange? This is not a conspiracy, it's happening as I write this. TSA personnel are driving around, covertly giving you all free x-rays. Now let me ask: Which one of you clowns though that was a "good" idea? :D I suspect none of you. Our republic isn't damaged, or merely corrupt, it's outright broken.

We certainly do get the government we deserve. The sheeple will accept any pittance of liberty the government sees fitting to bestow upon them and they will proclaim the loudest just how free we are. Meanwhile our nation's laws occupy 25' of shelf space in the library of congress. How many laws did you break today? When somebody tells me we need more regulation, I can't help but think they are a 100% pure idiot. Do you folks know that the organizations that make the laws, actually hire lawyers to interpret them into manuals for enforcement. Yeah it costs us hundreds of millions of dollars each year. That is; they pay people to interpret the laws, that they themselves passed, because they can't understand them. Take a moment and think about how absurd that is.

We also imprison the highest percentage of people per 100k, than even Iran and China. In fact at 1/5 of the world's population, we have the highest prison population in the entire world, accounting for 1/4 of earth's entire incarceration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate

Well on a good note we haven't given up manufacturing entirely, since it seems we are damn good at making criminals. To those burning the flag I certainly don't condone it, but I do understand some of that frustration. If it were effigies of Bush, Obama, Romney, Cheney, I'd be handing out torches and pitchforks. Alas that time has come and gone. If anyone was going to do anything they would have already.

Their ducks are all in a row and they are circling the wagons. Throwing the useless paper money at anything it can buy. Remember it's a debt China will never be allowed to collect. Whether it's through war or the declaration that the US dollar is now extinct. This government knows whats in the future and if they are scared, you better believe you should be too. :(

#189556 by Drumsinhisheart
Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:50 pm
lalong, indeed, lawyers make laws for lawyers.

#189558 by jimmydanger
Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:00 pm
Lawyers don't make laws, nor do judges. But both make their living from people who break them. If you don't like the law go change it.

#189560 by Drumsinhisheart
Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:11 pm
Jimmy, the percentage of politicians who are lawyers does mean lawyers make laws for lawyers.

#189561 by Drumsinhisheart
Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:13 pm
Judges do not make laws, but they certainly can and do restrict laws or ignore them.

#189563 by Kramerguy
Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:25 pm
I equate flag burning to football. Go to an Eagles game wearing a cowboys jersey.. you will see equal hostility and a potential ass-kicking much the same as 'patriots' would want to kick the ass of a person who is anti-patriot (not the football team, duh).

Yeah, two totally different creatures, but in the world of human psychology, same thing..

It all comes down to "our side" and "winning". Mankind can't help it's competitive and conflict-based nature, which is why we're all doomed.


Now the art of burning a flag: I want to take an objective approach here, what about the other side of the fence? The people who wave the flag, the hyper-wavers, so to speak. Presidential and congressional candidates use it like a $2 whore, touting it whenever they feel it will serve THEM, parroting their loyalty and patriotism to the mighty flag, all the while they are destroying the constitution, raping and pillaging the public trust, sodomizing lady liberty...

If they can desecrate the flag with such whimsy, why can't someone burn the flag in a anti-politician statement? Let's face it- the most corrupt people in the world have wrapped themselves in that flag and claim ownership to it. So by not allowing people to show dissent, you are silently forcing them to accept that which the flag-draped murderers and rapists deem to be public policy.

Nobody hates this country- It's nothing more that a chunk of dirt with invisible borders, run by a society once great, now corrupt and consumed by personal greed. That flag represents this pile of dirt TODAY. It has a past, yes, but that past is long gone and we need to wake up to the problems today and stop living in the ideallic past-

Just some random thoughts....

#189568 by jimmydanger
Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:47 pm
The number of senators who are also lawyers is currently 37% and is on the decline, the peak being forty years ago when 51% were. The second most common profession is agriculture, with 20%. Having a law degree is important but not a prerequisite.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/ ... e-lawyers/

#189573 by PaperDog
Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:19 pm
lalong wrote:Dog I totally disagree. Vengeance is exactly what got us into Iraq and what did it yield? Better yet, let's not bomb people halfway across the world, when some idiot does something stupid at home. Blind patriotism is what turned Iraq from a mission to remove WMDs and turned into some ideological nonsense, of bringing Iraq democracy, McDonald's and cable TV. Personally I prefer we reserve those folks willing to volunteer and die for their country, on actual tangible defense of our nation and NOTHING else. Not to mention we can't afford to spank every country that pisses us off.

Be warned, we are going to invade another middle east country eventually. So I'm a bit determined not to make that lie as easy as the last one.

When they start spinning that target: Syria, Iran, Turkey, Libya, whatever nation has won our deadly affection, hopefully some folks will recognize it for what it is. We still occupy Iraq through unreportable private "contractors": http://original.antiwar.com/jwhitehead/2012/01/17/privatizing-the-war-on-terror-americas-military-contractors/ That's just a small sliver of the "justice" our politicians have been wielding. It's a huge decadent circus where "trillions" is just a word that means nothing. Anyone wanting to add to that pork fest will get nothing in return, except a broken tomorrow. If they say we need war, you can be assured it's for all the wrong reasons. But you know we will get it anyway, even if no one is cheering on the sidelines. I refuse to drink that Kool-Aid (again). Our embassy in Iraq is 100 acres, 10 shy of being as big as Vatican City. We are there not just to stay, but to conquer.


LA The story insn'tt about vengance or War...

#189574 by Starfish Scott
Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:27 pm
Flag burning is an act of vexation.

I don't mind if anyone is angry. Do what you have to do in private.
(No one has to see you burn that flag if that's really what you want to do.)

But don't spit on me, flip me off, touch me, look at me wrong OR BURN MY FLAG where I can see you. I will no doubt react in a negative manner.

You stand a better chance telling me to FAQ OFF, that doesn't bother me much at all.

One is taught to ignore the ugly, but sometimes you get to the point where you don't want to ignore anything and take exception at the least provocation.

At that point the rules go out the window and your best best is to never reach the courtroom. lol

My buddy the corp lawyer from Manhattan said it best, "a law degree is a license to lie". For that matter the judicial system sucks.

Since when did it become, "you are entitled to just as much justice as you can afford"?

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