General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

...Mike Talboit ... please forgive me for my little tongue and cheek foray. I apologize for not being more clear regarding the last paragraph of my previous Post ... the one you have responded to. I wrote "For Fun" because just to put a different slant on Yod's Post, I took the last two short paragraphs of his Post and switched around some words. I have always done this at times as a kind of exercise of the mind or to prove a point or sometimes both.

I am in complete agreement with what you state especially the way Israel whines about "possible nukes" when not only does everyone know they have loads of them but they will not even openly admit it ... let some International Inspectors check them out and let us find out where they got theirs shall we ? Very good Post and I thank you. I hope I have cleared this up as what you think has always been very important and valid to me.

Ta Live Well Die Well

... Dane ... I thank you for Post and excellently timed querie. Regarding the initial mortar attack ... I firmly believe that it was a US Black Operation specifically designed to once again try to do the "Humanitarian Thing" which Hillary has summed up so well ... we came ... we saw ... they died.

Russian and Iranian troops have been in Syria for a while now.

95% of the "rebels" are not even Syrian but an international lot of covet professionals many of whom participated in the Great Atrocity of Libya.

One very dubious mortar attack and a Turkish retaliation of 70 attacks with heavy artillery and an "approval" to invade Syria ?

This is in direct violation of International and UN Laws. In fact according to International Law Syria has every right to attack Turkey with mortars, artillery or even airstrikes since Turkey has been arming and has training bases for the so-called rebels for quite some time and has been sheilding them.

What a load of Hypocrisy and typical of the UN and US.

Turkey has the largest Armie in the area over there and it is a pawn for the AntiHumanists. Turkey has been itching for the invasion of Syria. Reference the "downed plane incident" not long ago. This childish and so obvious "wargame" is pathetic in my opinion.

This is undoubtedly an attempted prelude to invading Syria and has the ability to both escalate and involve other major countries very quickly. Israel is the "wild card" in this mess I believe.

Netanyahu is not the kind of person and leader who seems cool, calm, collected, humanitarian or capable to view the greater picture. It could be said that he is a blinded Zionist Warmonger who does not listen to the people of Israel, putting them at great risk. He has an Ego that rivals Obama ... both identify with wanting to be "Messiahs".

It can not be said that he is a savy diplomat with humanistic values who advocates negotiation,diffusing difficult situations, seeks a peaceful and equitable resolution to problems etc etc.

This all means to me in light of his frequent public proclamations for several years about how Iran was or is on the verge of attacking Israel with a nuke ...and they must be attacked. Well it certainly looks to have the almost certain potential of violence begetting violence and escalating to a world wars.

It this happens then of course nukes, DU and possibly even bio-chemical warfare will ensue ala Apocalypse . There will be no winners only losers and all life on earth will recieve the death kneel of total extermination. The utter stupidity of this is staggering and criminal.

U kn ow that even as things are most if not all of mankind is doomed. There is a sliver of possibility remaining, a flicker of uncertain hope but that is all. This too will be gone by the end of this year I fear. But this does not mean that one should lay down their arms, cease ressisting or simply throw their doors open to Evil.

Ta Live Well Die Well

All the discord in the middle east is just a cover for the plan that is going on.
The only way to bring down America is to devalue their basic beliefs in God.
Devalue the currency of America to the point that a barrel of energy rises to 500 American dollars. The cost of food becomes unaffordable. The UN is able to disarm the average American.

When every one in America un armed and starving the general out cry will be to look for salvation from the U.N. Good luck with that.

All of these things are happening right now. I'm not even going to try and explain any of this,,, The stupidity I have seen posted here is just a testament to the fact that most of you should be ruled by an absolute king.

I'm not Jesus Christ,,,, I can not and am certainly not going to save anything or anyone, that goes against the one thing that God gave me from the moment I was born,,,,
FREEDOM.

Death is easy. Living is the challenge.! Some of you think this is a game. HA HA.

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Israel ... I readily admit that I know nothing of the real existing state of Israel at this moment since I have never lived or worked there. I have always believed that to really understand a place, a culture, that one must live and work there. Visiting is a brief window and the Mass Media are Liars ... this is certain.

I do know some Jews ... some Palestinians ... some Persians ... some Greeks ...some Pakistanis and Indians all personally .. all are educated, civil, intelligent and do have their various hang-ups just as everyone else. But I merely relate my thoughts, conclusions, questions, remarks and convictions. I would never consider myself an "authority" but rather a "student" ... at times rather Idealistic I hope.

I have literally hundreds of friends who have made aliyah and live in Israel now. And in my former business, half of my customers were muslims/arabs/africans/persians who had emigrated to the USA from the middle east and africa.

Just like the ignorant KKK members in my home town, there are entire people groups who tell themselves lies in order to deflect blame for their own shortcomings. The reason jewish people thrive no matter where they are is because, generally, they don't lie to themselves.

Arabs & Africans are the most brutalized people in the world, because they have brutal leaders. If their leaders weren't brutal, they would be overthrown by someone who was. Violence is all they understand, unfortunately, and warlords keep everyone from saying what they really think by fear.

There are those who believe that Netanyahu has no intention of attacking but rather is attempting to "blackmail" the black male into attacking Iran using the well publicised threat that "if you do not attack I will with Nuclear Weapons" ?

Those people are wrong. Israel will attack if the rest of the world doesn't take Iran's threats to annihilate Israel seriously. Remember, they were born from the ashes of Auschwicz and every person in this little country was touched by that. When they say "never again" they DO mean it.

They won't use nukes though. That I can absolutely guarantee. They will use an EMP and conventional airpower because public opinion is of the highest priority here.

However, the chances of a strike keep getting higher because they feel alone in the world now that our President has shown himself to be no friend. If you want to avoid WWIII, the best chance is a Romney victory.

News sources here say that Obama has an October surprise that comes from a secret meeting of Obama people in Quatar with the Iranians for a suspension of their nuclear program at least until the election is over so he can claim a (temporary) diplomatic victory. They also say to expect American jets to bomb targets in Libya soon to make him look tough on terrorism.

Netanyahu is in a thankless position. If he doesn't appear tough, Avgidol Liberman will win the next election. He's about 15 steps to the right of Bibi





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...Yair who is the eldest son of PM Netanyahu while on manatory IDF service in the Army's Spokesperson Unit had an extreme right wing rhetoric Facebook page where he made racist comments in Hebrew.

"It is our duty to do the minimum to save our honor and boycott every Arab business or product. Beside, I boycotted those shits even before."

Noam Sheizaf
...another of Netanyahu's sons



" The Jews and the Arabs are like two goats facing each other on a narrow bridge. One must jump to the river - but that involves a danger of death. The strong goat will make the weaker one jump ... and I believe the Jewish people will prevail."

Ben Zion Netanyahu ... Benjamin Netanyahu's Father

"What does the Arab jump mean?" Sari Makover-Belikov
Interviewer

"That they won't be able to face (anymore) the war with us, which will include witholding food from Arab cities, preventing education.terminating electrical power and more. They won't be able to exist and they will run away from here. But it all depends on the war, and whether we will win the battles with them.."

"The two states solution doesn't exist. There are no two people here. There is a Jewish people and an Arab population ... There is no Palestinian people, so you don't create a state for an imaginary nation ... They only call themselves a people in order to fight the Jews."

Ben Zion Netanyahu

" So what is the solution ?" Interviewer

"No solution but force ... strong military rule. Any outbreak will bring upon the Arabs enormous suffering. WQe shouldn't wait for a big mutiny to start, but rather act immediately with great force to prevent them from going on."
Ben Zion Netanyahu


Interesting how the ideas of the Father get transferred to his Grandchildren via his own son.

Ta Live Well Die Well

70 Page thread!...and growing!
Way to go Vampier...That's awesome!

...Yair who is the eldest son of PM Netanyahu while on manatory IDF service in the Army's Spokesperson Unit had an extreme right wing rhetoric Facebook page where he made racist comments in Hebrew.

"It is our duty to do the minimum to save our honor and boycott every Arab business or product. Beside, I boycotted those shits even before."

Noam Sheizaf
...another of Netanyahu's sons



" The Jews and the Arabs are like two goats facing each other on a narrow bridge. One must jump to the river - but that involves a danger of death. The strong goat will make the weaker one jump ... and I believe the Jewish people will prevail."

Ben Zion Netanyahu ... Benjamin Netanyahu's Father

"What does the Arab jump mean?" Sari Makover-Belikov
Interviewer

"That they won't be able to face (anymore) the war with us, which will include witholding food from Arab cities, preventing education.terminating electrical power and more. They won't be able to exist and they will run away from here. But it all depends on the war, and whether we will win the battles with them.."

"The two states solution doesn't exist. There are no two people here. There is a Jewish people and an Arab population ... There is no Palestinian people, so you don't create a state for an imaginary nation ... They only call themselves a people in order to fight the Jews."

Ben Zion Netanyahu

" So what is the solution ?" Interviewer

"No solution but force ... strong military rule. Any outbreak will bring upon the Arabs enormous suffering. WQe shouldn't wait for a big mutiny to start, but rather act immediately with great force to prevent them from going on."
Ben Zion Netanyahu


Interesting how the ideas of the Father get transferred to his Grandchildren via his own son.

Ta Live Well Die Well

I'm not endorsing this but how can you blame him when Palestinians are lobbing rockets over their borders and targeting hospitals and elementary schools?

These things barely get reported in America but happen all the time. If Israel wanted to wipe them out, it would happen in a day. Almost every day rockets are sent in Sderot and Israel has shown unbelievable restraint like no other nation on earth would do.

Again, I point out that Israeli school kids are learning how to compete in the world of science while Palestinian kids are being trained at 6 years old how to be a suicide bomber.

"The two states solution doesn't exist. There are no two people here. There is a Jewish people and an Arab population ... There is no Palestinian people, so you don't create a state for an imaginary nation ... They only call themselves a people in order to fight the Jews."

This is pretty much the whole reason there will seemingly never be peace.

One side cannot envision anything but lobbing bombs over walls at otherwise innocent citizens, and the other side refuses to consider them to be deserving of an identity. Talk about revolving doors and circular logic.

I used to think there could someday be a solution, but have changed my mind. These people need to be completely and utterly separated so much to the point that a new "great" wall is a good idea, something like the wall in the movie "escape from new york" could work. Need to have a "drone-zone' near the wall too, incinerate anyone close enough to launch a mortar across it.. ON BOTH SIDES.

Oh wait.. they can't even agree where the borders would be.. I guess I'd be happy enough to intervene and make that decision, and the only guarantee would be that everyone would be unhappy with MY decisions.

One side cannot envision anything but lobbing bombs over walls at otherwise innocent citizens, and the other side refuses to consider them to be deserving of an identity. Talk about revolving doors and circular logic.
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That's not really true.



Like I said before, the Palestinians have elected representatives in the Israeli Knesset (Parliament). They live in most Israeli cities and work at Israeli companies all over the nation.

Do you think you can find one living Jew in Bethlehem? Gaza? Nablus?

Like Golda Meir says, "We will have peace when the Palestinians love their children more than they hate us"





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...YOD ... I thank you very much for your Post. Of course I know that you do not endorse nor embrace such things and neither do I. But this does not change nor alter the realities. I posted to demonstrate that things do always work in both directions. Some Arabs teaching their kinder hatred and racism ... some Jews teaching their kinder hatred and racism. This entire madness has now reached such ridiculous proportions all over the entire world now and the peoples and populations acceptance of such throughout the world ... that it is now impossible to stop.

I speak not only of the Middle East but of Afrika, Europe, Asia and here domestically as well. "Blaming" ... "claiming" responsibility ... "responding" ... "striking" preemptively ..."humanitarian" Invasion and bombing ... KILLING ... all part of the predicted chaos of the "Democratic Inquisition" which is just getting started since the "Terrorist Threat" is waning.

In my opinion there is nothing that happens to the Israelis that they do not now do to others. Yes I do agree to a certain extent about the "restraint" which is shown ... too bad Turkey can not show both intellect and restraint along with Independent Critical Thought. The American Press only reports what it is instructed to report mass media wise. This is now a mish mash of fact and lie.

Netanyahu is a Zionist as I have stated and his policies and intentions are clear. Very soon he will be claiming his very own "Nobel Peace Prize" ala Obama for bombing Iran ... once he is assured of UN/UK/US support. I do not feel that we shall see any "unbelievable restraint" regarding this.

Yes Israeli school children are learning as are others throughout the world where ever schools are not being demolished and there is not an open and clearly declared policy outlined and practiced to eliminate their ability to do so. Of course there are many places throughout the world where this is not applied. I personally believe that any quibbling regarding any of the tragic sins and crimes being committed by any "government" throughout the world and foreign or domestic in the Middle East does not change the guilt.

To be driven to be a Suicide Bomber is much different than being blackmailed to become one but the evil result and responsibilities are the same. I think almost everyone despite their "camps" admit that it all is one big bloody mess with no real apparent and equitable solution. This being said I also think that the only possible real solution is about to be seen now ... the purposeful staging of WWIII by the AntiHuman NWO.

The numbers of puppets and puppeteers have been increased dramatically. Kilometres of strings have been strung and are now being pulled feverishly. The Luciferean and Bible "inspired" NWO is out of the shadows and darkness for all to see. The "conspiracy theorists" and the "DoomsDayers" are now in parts being proven correct.

Iran is about to be "attacked" not in defense but as part of the plan for Conquest of the entire planet and World Domination. Russia and China are next though not particularly in that order. The wait for this will not be long either.

Things everywhere are beginning to go "Critical" and everyone's world is now crumbling ... the cracks havew been visible for far too long. It is all part of the Grand Illusion and Strategy which was plotted long ago. The Final Battle is now beginning.The USA is about to be Financially Flogged To Death by the Federal Reserve and it's "Derivatives". Individually owned properties and houses are about to become worthless. The Federal Reserve at the bequest of the NWO is about to commit the largest Financial Fraud that the world has ever seen.

The NWO believe that the citizens of the US have proven themselves to be little more than cowards and this has emboldened them. Dollar Devaluation has begun in earnest and as the Dollar sinks so rises the price of petrol. The NWO believes that there will be no serious Protest, Revolution or Ressistance.

It seems prudent now to prepare ... to sell before you can not ... move before you can not ... purchase before you can not ... prepare. The world is about to erupt into orchestrated chaos and there will be great murder and death and the horsemen have mounted their steeds. For those who scoff or mock or ignore I pity you and your families and friends for you will soon make victim of yourself and them.

Spiritually I urge everyone to gets such matters in hand. Make peace with whatever God you worship, whatever religion you profess to follow for nothing ever will again be as it is at this moment.

Ta Live Well Die Well

... Kramer I thank you for your Post ...very good.

PaperDog ...I thank you for your congratulations re the length of my Post ...perhaps now those who originally stated that I would not "last" may reconsider. But I thank everyone who Posts upon this Thread because that is what drives it.

Ta May you all Live Well and Die Well

I must admit that I used to think you were someone pursuing the truth no matter where it leads, but your position on Israel speaks of a paranoia in seeing things that aren't there. In this area, you seem gullible enough to believe the propoganda against them for no apparent reason.

Did you miss the part where Iran talks about annihilating Israel the first dozen times? Why doesn't that figure into your opinions about "zionism"? What do you expect Israel or Netanyahu to do?

Today I spent the day with the Israeli doctor who was the FIRST to get medical aid into Haiti, FIRST in Japan after the nuclear reactor disaster. The Israelis don't just talk about preserving life. They do it when no one else will and they do it faster.


And I'm not sure what definition you are using but a "Zionist" is someone who thinks Israel has a right:

1. to live
2. in their homeland
3. in peace


Nothing more. Nothing less. Never again.

...YOD ... Thank you again for your Post. I sincerely hope that I have not disenchanted you regarding my pursuit for Truth ...which is elusive as we both know.

I make my observations and put them forth. I always give consideration and credibility to yours as you are there, involved directly with the people, I trust you, I respect your opinion and generally I tend to agree with you on most subject matter.

YOD I have no more "paranoia" regarding Israel than I do with the US, UK, Iran, Russia, Mexico and so on and so forth. I find this subject very volatile and timely and most definately not Black and White nor good and evil. There are no good guys here and no one person, leader or nation is guiltless. Perhaps you may disagree on this which is fair enough.

I have found that many of whom I speak with have extreme prejudices when they state they do not. I myself find that as I delve into whatever subject matter and the more I find out and speak with others, then I do in fact personally develop certain prejudices. I feel everyone does and this includes you my friend. We are imperfect humans and we have likes and dislikes and our own unique thoughts and experiences. This includes developing our very own unique prejudices. The trick is to maintain communication, open mind and not be blinded by the quagmire of factors that float to the surface of such mud puddles.

I am certain that you are more than aware of all this, as are others no matter if they agree with our thoughts or not. All politics to me are nothing more now than LIES and PROPAGANDA ... this goes for Israel to the US and back to Iran. The "governments" are manifestations of this and the "leaders" are the perpetraitors ... in my opinion. Spiritually all this when put in it's proper place is irrelevant. So it is just a matter of what extent the individual chooses to engage all this crap.

I have not even begun to express what I think of Iran, the US or the UN nor Zionism. But I will "unless we run out of time here". Please bear with me as the last thing I wish to do is to piss you off and have you stop communicating. As I have stated this is an extremely unique and rare opportunity and I would have thought that others here would be more forthcoming and engaging ... but no matter.

I do find Israel even when it beats war drums much more controlled and focused and for me at least logical. Iran as some other "Arab Countries" seems to be extraordinarily high strung, reactionary and emotional especially as it's general population goes. That mass mob mentality is very frightening and historically very dangerous no matter where it occurs.

Consequently they are more easily manipulated and therefore subject to the whims of the NWO. Israel seems not to be so much this way population wise at least. This makes it stick out like a sore thumb when comparing it to the surrounding countries. I find this very intriguing and in some ways inexplicable. But in light of their "history" it is perhaps more easily understood.

Yes, Iran goes off almost like clockwork every time ithas an event, a speech or such. This reminds me of a small child but of course it is much more of a dangerous situation because children do not have nukes ... although this is also an argueable thing as well. This all is very applicable if one lives not only in Israel but every other Middle Eastern Country.

You ask what I expect .... I expect Netanyahu to openly attack Iran and Israel to suffer the consequences of such. Now after his meeting with the Black Messiah the plans have been "adjusted" and they are now being put into action ... Early Election ... Buffer Zone ... Surgical Strikes ...Protecting Turkey ? Turkey has a massive armed force and needs no protection from Syria since Syria has no intention of openly attacking Turkey.

More coming .... Ta

...Yod ... the Israeli Doctor sounds like an amazing and dedicated individual. Dedicated to HUMANITY and the OATH he took, worthy of much respect. I was aware of the Israeli presence in Haiti but I did not know about Japan ... much more of a dangerous and different situation. This offers a new set of lessons to learn and new experiences to benefit from while serving the greater good of mankind.

Zionism I shall address later ... in light of what is about to happen I think it will help make my perspective more timely, relevant and perhaps more believable.

I thank you for "moving me along as it were because I do not wish to make this an "Israeli bashing" thing ... I need to start bashing some of the other many elements and governments and countries and leaders involved as well.

YOD I do not believe I am gullible in this matter, least of all to any propaganda filth. Let me say that NO ONE involved is innocent aside from the children and animals. None involved are guiltless or righteous. No one is completely good. Israel, it's government, it's leaders and it's actions are included in the aforementioned catagory. The US, the UN, the UK and many others including Syria, Iran, and everyone else. If you do not see this then ... I will not accuse you of being gullible.

There is much existing and now more growing criticisms which can be leveled at any of the "players" in this mess ... personage and country ... all suffer their own agendas. It is going to be "resolved" not because of what those involved are "willing to do" but more because of what they are not. By it's virtue and nature such "solution" is destined to be in no way righteous or good for anyone. Attacking in such a delicate circumstance is negative, EVIL and very very stupid.

The US has already made clear in statements that it fully intends to strike not only the nuclear reactors and such but also the civilian population of Iran and it's infrastructure. The mythical Syrian mortar attack was a Black Evil Operation and a desperate move by the NWO to attack Syria, destroy Syra, take it's naval base, establish another base from which Iran can be attacked and destroyed and do the very same to Iran as they did to Libya and are now doing to Syria ...kill, murder, destroy and enslave.

I believe that the government of Israel is complicit in all this and highly involved in the NWO. This is merely my opinion and of course I could be mistaken but I do know that this will all become clear now with all this transpiring at the moment. If I am wrong which I hope I shall be most pleased to say so.

Israel and Nato and the UN and US and the UK are now throwing gasoline upon the fire trying to convince the world of their "good" intentions and desire to put it out ...I for one do not "buy" it.

To LIve
in their homeland
in peace

Sounds good and noble and can be applied to any country involved or conversly may closely resemble what the Nazi's also said. Please do not think what I say is anti Israeli ... it is just an expressed awareness of the many ways such can be looked upon. I intend to cause thought not hatred or insult.

Yod I entreat you to continue your POsts and tell us what those citizens there think about all which is now transpiring and since they are in the centre of it. What is felt about it all going even nuclear on a tactical level ? What is thought of destroying reactors and spreading radioactivity not only in Iran but even possibly in Israel ?? Is this viewed as an "opportunity to eliminate the "Palestinian Problem" ... A "Final Solution" to Iran ???

Is this really intelligent, prudent, humanitarian, constructive, cooperative and in accordance with the beliefs of "God's Chosen" ? I think not but as I have stated it is merely the opinion of a musician, an artist, a Husband, a Father and a Creator.

Ta Life Well and Die Well

I think it's a lot simpler than people are allowing it to be. Most people are decent and honorable. Unfortunately, the last several dozen wars this world has seen have been a direct result of greed and leaderships gone wrong. Often the citizens of each side have nothing against one another, or fall victim to propaganda and take up false beliefs against the other side.

Does anyone really believe some starving guy in a hut in the desert gives a crap about some other guy 500 miles away, starving in a hut in a different desert? Both guys probably blame one leader or another, and take arms against that if anything, and there's our problem.

Give people safety, security, and a means for a comfortable life, and all but the most extreme would gladly put down their arms and tend their families and gardens instead.

I've said it a few times- when some other government blows up your wife, kids, family.. how can anyone expect that man to just bury them and move on- these are the reasons terrorism exists. The easiest way to end it is to simply take away it's reason to exist, and most will not support it.

Continue to feed it with injustice and death, and you open the recruitment center yourself.

It's always been my belief that the US government supports terrorism and encourages it through their own actions, as the pentagon and MIC have become entities that rely on war for personal gain and industry growth. This cycle won't end.