General Music Chat

here's the thing though....

Should the healthcare debacle actually go into operation, everyone will have a piece of paper saying they are covered.

But there won't be any doctors interested in spending huge sums and 8 years in training for the pittance government offers them.

The "pittance" that doctors around the world in other places like England, perhaps? I didn't know the UK was having a doctor shortage.

That means you won't have access to health care. You'll be waiting in a line that is designed for saving money primarily by patients dying first.

Oh? Just like now?

If you have the money, you can go pay exhorbitant amounts for health care to the small amount of doctors left in private practice. That is money on top of what you are already paying the government for something that doesn't work. Just like the failed school system.

Like the cops or fire department I have to pay for to come save your sorry asses in an emergency, eh? Why do extremist libertarian idiots believe that they are exempt from the society around them? That what happens to their neighbors doesn't affect them?

We're homeschooling because public schools are dangerous and producing full-grown morons....yet we still have to pay taxes for the bad schools that no one wants to go to.

So, you're raising homeschooled morons instead, hmmm? Yes, that will go over well if they try to get into college, or employment without a name tag.

Yod, you might be a nice guy in person.
But, arguing with idiots online gives me a headache.
Later, dude.

Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance.




I'll put my kids up against the best you have any day. My youngest son taught himself to read at age four and can rebuild computers and fix networks by age 6.

his older brother is a decorated hero of Korea and Afghanistan, currently studying to be a film-maker at the Art Institute in San Francisco. He turned down a job with George Lucas to make his own documentaries, and won the drum-off in San Francisco last year though his drums are sitting in my garage and he hasn't played them in 2 years.

Their older brother manages a couple of succesful restaurants in Colorado.



Your kids would be nothing but a drain on society that my kids would be paying for.


I hope the gene pool doesn't see you swimming in it before you've had your eyes open by the truth.

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You've really stripped your gears Slacker. Hospitals DO get paid for all emergency room visits, whether it's the patient, the insurance company or the entire pool of insured in the form of higher rates. You are one nutty professor.

My information comes from a nurse so I expect it to be relatively accurate.

The answer lies in the 60.00 dollars billed for a phukin aspirin in a shitty hospital that's filthier than the home we caught the disease in. HOW in any way shape or form does Obama care or any other care constitute a solution for health care reform?

People often overlook the fact that so many un insured use the emergency rooms for free. Hospitals do not get paid. Also overlooked are the high costs of lawsuits asking and getting millions even for unsubstantiated or wrongful claims. Because it is cheaper to pay off the slip & fall lawyers than to fight them. Few count the cost of the high tech life saving advanced medical equipment. Insurance companies make deals with hospitals limiting how much a service should cost.. the hospital has to live with that.

There are a good many reasons that hospitals have to charge that much for aspirins. Would you actually believe they wish to do that knowing the outrage that it causes?

I'm really not defending it as much as giving just a few reasons why it happens.

Obama is trying to do away with the feeloaders at the emergency room..that's why Obamacare is necessary for the good of the country..NO MORE ER FREELOADERS! NIX TO YOU!

"Blacks" are not the monolithic ethnic group portrayed in the lackey media.

My boss is black, our primary client is black and those guys have about as much in common with the ferals of the inner city as I do.

Note - it doesn't matter who you blame for that horror that festers in our cities (I blame govt - for doing too damn much) the fact is that a terrifying problem exists and it ain't gonna go away.

Saying that lots of white people are feral as well hardly changes the facts of the matter.

For you folks that think govt isn't doing enough I can only tell you what I saw with my own eyes growing up: blacks were the poster children for family values. Then govt stepped in and 'helped' them. Now I cannot go in an inner city neighborhood with out a machine gun and expect to come out unscathed.

You may have grown up with that, and accept it as normal, and blame govt for not doing enough - but it ain't that at all. Govt can help almost never, and usually it's only real help is to get the hell out of the way.

Get the govt hogs out of it and those young enterprising black gang leaders and dope pushers could be succeeding just as my black friends are. But they have no chance. This will not end well.

Talbot

Black, White, Brown...green Purple...whatever... When a person or group uses a pressure point in his/her life to justify acts of violence, all that tells me is that such people lack the wit , imagination, morality and fortitude to work positively within the system. Their answers is to try to destroy the system, because it doesn't work for them the way they think it should work. There is nothing in their violent reactions and behaviors to suggest that they are actually concerned about equity and fairness for themselves, let alone the others they harm. As long as they keep thinking as they do, their poverty will persist and they will not escape it, ever.

Sounds like Richard F%cking Nixon to me.

When you live at the bottom of society, struggling every day, with no end in in sight, you are a powder keg waiting to go off.
When the right match at the right moment strikes, anything can happen, and usually does.
If you just want to dismiss that reality of human nature as just a lack of wit, imagination, morality or fortitude...you do so at your own peril.

Sorry Tonto... I have lived at the bottom of society... I did not f**k whine like a pu**y about it. Instead, I made Smart decisions to improve my situation. That required me to think outside the box... If you cant think outside of the box, that would constitute a severe lack of imagination. If you 'choose' to rob somebody (and justify it with "I was hongry" that would depict your lack of morality. If you cant see my point here, that would prolly depict a lack of willingness and fortitude on your part.

..So guess what... I pulled myself out of poverty and I'm doing quite fine now ... The party here is great and Its good to be upheld by winners instead of pulled down by losers. If you aren't in that party, I 'm sorry for you... Its not ever gonna get any better till you resolve yourself to become successful... You say you are a libertarian? All the ones I know (except maybe you) aren't struggling or crying about how bad they have it. Ghetto is in the mind bro... The dilapidated houses come after the fact...

The answer lies in the 60.00 dollars billed for a phukin aspirin in a shitty hospital that's filthier than the home we caught the disease in. HOW in any way shape or form does Obama care or any other care constitute a solution for health care reform?

People often overlook the fact that so many un insured use the emergency rooms for free. Hospitals do not get paid. Also overlooked are the high costs of lawsuits asking and getting millions even for unsubstantiated or wrongful claims. Because it is cheaper to pay off the slip & fall lawyers than to fight them. Few count the cost of the high tech life saving advanced medical equipment. Insurance companies make deals with hospitals limiting how much a service should cost.. the hospital has to live with that.

There are a good many reasons that hospitals have to charge that much for aspirins. Would you actually believe they wish to do that knowing the outrage that it causes?

I'm really not defending it as much as giving just a few reasons why it happens.

Obama is trying to do away with the feeloaders at the emergency room..that's why Obamacare is necessary for the good of the country..NO MORE ER FREELOADERS! NIX TO YOU!

Although the emergency room doesn't break even most of the time with the uninsured under this system, the new tax-care system will solve the problem by severely limiting treatment to all and denying it altogether for some people. The elderly and the very young shall bear the brunt of this "money saving" system. Yet this so called health care bill has far more to do with taxing you to death than helping you. And even in the short term doctors will refuse government insured patients, just as they do with a good many Medicare patients. When they are forced to treat them many will retire Simply because gov doesn't pay enough and when they do pay the payments are a long time coming. So who is going to take years of medical training and go thousands of dollars into debt to replace good doctors? No one.
Your new medical treatment will be handled with typical government efficiency, just like the post office and the DMV. This regime leader is already killing off the VA by cutting back on badly needed funds. But then what does a Marxist care about men who have put their lives on the line to save the republic he wishes to destroy?

Black, White, Brown...green Purple...whatever... When a person or group uses a pressure point in his/her life to justify acts of violence, all that tells me is that such people lack the wit , imagination, morality and fortitude to work positively within the system. Their answers is to try to destroy the system, because it doesn't work for them the way they think it should work. There is nothing in their violent reactions and behaviors to suggest that they are actually concerned about equity and fairness for themselves, let alone the others they harm. As long as they keep thinking as they do, their poverty will persist and they will not escape it, ever.

Sounds like Richard F%cking Nixon to me.

When you live at the bottom of society, struggling every day, with no end in in sight, you are a powder keg waiting to go off.
When the right match at the right moment strikes, anything can happen, and usually does.
If you just want to dismiss that reality of human nature as just a lack of wit, imagination, morality or fortitude...you do so at your own peril.

Sorry Tonto... I have lived at the bottom of society... I did not f**k whine like a pu**y about it. Instead, I made Smart decisions to improve my situation. That required me to think outside the box... If you cant think outside of the box, that would constitute a severe lack of imagination. If you 'choose' to rob somebody (and justify it with "I was hongry" that would depict your lack of morality. If you cant see my point here, that would prolly depict a lack of willingness and fortitude on your part.

..So guess what... I pulled myself out of poverty and I'm doing quite fine now ... The party here is great and Its good to be upheld by winners instead of pulled down by losers. If you aren't in that party, I 'm sorry for you... Its not ever gonna get any better till you resolve yourself to become successful... You say you are a libertarian? All the ones I know (except maybe you) aren't struggling or crying about how bad they have it. Ghetto is in the mind bro... The dilapidated houses come after the fact...

I did this. I did that. Blah-blah-blah.
Well BULLY for you.
Everyone else is not you.
I've never robbed anyone either.

Soviet-style Communism was built on personal experience & opinions of how humans SHOULD behave, but neglected how they REALLY behave in the REAL WORLD.
Didn't work.
That is the point I was getting at.

I've been physically attacked a few times in Detroit.
Beaten mercilessly.
Got called "redneck" by one, which is laughable.
I didn't get mad at them, or take it personally.
But, I did see the years of despair and anguish in their faces.

The factory I worked at for 15 years had an unwritten policy to NEVER hire blacks or women, and never did.
They fired one guy because he was gay.
They fired a woman THE MINUTE AFTER THEY HIRED HER and discovered her gender was not male.
They routinely marked job applications with a black dot if the applicant was African American.
Now, this is a relatively small company.
But, I cannot believe it is the ONLY place doing this kinda stuff.

BTW, that's LEFT-Libertarian not RIGHT-Libertarian, Kimosabe.

The answer lies in the 60.00 dollars billed for a phukin aspirin in a shitty hospital that's filthier than the home we caught the disease in. HOW in any way shape or form does Obama care or any other care constitute a solution for health care reform?

People often overlook the fact that so many un insured use the emergency rooms for free. Hospitals do not get paid. Also overlooked are the high costs of lawsuits asking and getting millions even for unsubstantiated or wrongful claims. Because it is cheaper to pay off the slip & fall lawyers than to fight them. Few count the cost of the high tech life saving advanced medical equipment. Insurance companies make deals with hospitals limiting how much a service should cost.. the hospital has to live with that.

There are a good many reasons that hospitals have to charge that much for aspirins. Would you actually believe they wish to do that knowing the outrage that it causes?

I'm really not defending it as much as giving just a few reasons why it happens.

I do Understand... I also feel that Lawyers should be having their greedy little asses kicked and beaten, and then billed for the aspirin they have to take in a hospital to relieve... not only the pain they have, but the pain they have caused.

I'm saying that if a hospital has to defend itself like that, it should not be in business. Doctors should collab and work smaller clinics . Legislation needs to mow down the P.I. suits...

A damn aspirin costs 30 cents to make. At 100 % markup its still less than a dollar to a patient.

Finally, I'm might build me a sign and hit the sidewalk: Don't Use this Hospital.. They will charge you for everything the other patients didn't pay for...

Black, White, Brown...green Purple...whatever... When a person or group uses a pressure point in his/her life to justify acts of violence, all that tells me is that such people lack the wit , imagination, morality and fortitude to work positively within the system. Their answers is to try to destroy the system, because it doesn't work for them the way they think it should work. There is nothing in their violent reactions and behaviors to suggest that they are actually concerned about equity and fairness for themselves, let alone the others they harm. As long as they keep thinking as they do, their poverty will persist and they will not escape it, ever.

Sounds like Richard F%cking Nixon to me.

When you live at the bottom of society, struggling every day, with no end in in sight, you are a powder keg waiting to go off.
When the right match at the right moment strikes, anything can happen, and usually does.
If you just want to dismiss that reality of human nature as just a lack of wit, imagination, morality or fortitude...you do so at your own peril.

Sorry Tonto... I have lived at the bottom of society... I did not f**k whine like a pu**y about it. Instead, I made Smart decisions to improve my situation. That required me to think outside the box... If you cant think outside of the box, that would constitute a severe lack of imagination. If you 'choose' to rob somebody (and justify it with "I was hongry" that would depict your lack of morality. If you cant see my point here, that would prolly depict a lack of willingness and fortitude on your part.

..So guess what... I pulled myself out of poverty and I'm doing quite fine now ... The party here is great and Its good to be upheld by winners instead of pulled down by losers. If you aren't in that party, I 'm sorry for you... Its not ever gonna get any better till you resolve yourself to become successful... You say you are a libertarian? All the ones I know (except maybe you) aren't struggling or crying about how bad they have it. Ghetto is in the mind bro... The dilapidated houses come after the fact...

I did this. I did that. Blah-blah-blah.
Well BULLY for you.
Everyone else is not you.
I've never robbed anyone either.

Soviet-style Communism was built on personal experience & opinions of how humans SHOULD behave, but neglected how they REALLY behave in the REAL WORLD.
Didn't work.
That is the point I was getting at.

I've been physically attacked a few times in Detroit.
Beaten mercilessly.
Got called "redneck" by one, which is laughable.
I didn't get mad at them, or take it personally.
But, I did see the years of despair and anguish in their faces.

The factory I worked at for 15 years had an unwritten policy to NEVER hire blacks or women, and never did.
They fired one guy because he was gay.
They fired a woman THE MINUTE AFTER THEY HIRED HER and discovered her gender was not male.
They routinely marked job applications with a black dot if the applicant was African American.
Now, this is a relatively small company.
But, I cannot believe it is the ONLY place doing this kinda stuff.

BTW, that's LEFT-Libertarian not RIGHT-Libertarian, Kimosabe.

Looks Like I touched a nerve with you...
So You got beaten mercilessly...I'm sorry you had to go through that.
But That sh*t happens in Beverly Hills too... So you are correct ...none of this stuff stays in one demograph
As for years of despair and anguish, it was years only because they were too f**k lazy to lift themselves out of their pity party.
Dude, Dont take this the wrong way, but 35 years ago, i Could have very easily , with great joy in my heart, popped a cap in you and left you bleeding to death, because thats how f**k angry I was. I would not have given a second thought and my excuse would have been the same pussy-assed excuse that those cunts, who beat you down, used.

I am saying...With effort, we can rise above that bull sh*t... but it takes effort...

Black, White, Brown...green Purple...whatever... When a person or group uses a pressure point in his/her life to justify acts of violence, all that tells me is that such people lack the wit , imagination, morality and fortitude to work positively within the system. Their answers is to try to destroy the system, because it doesn't work for them the way they think it should work. There is nothing in their violent reactions and behaviors to suggest that they are actually concerned about equity and fairness for themselves, let alone the others they harm. As long as they keep thinking as they do, their poverty will persist and they will not escape it, ever.

I have a lot of friends with whose politics, religion, and life choices I disagree. I don't let them tell me what to think, and I don't try to tell them what to think.

Being in the "Music Business" and the "Entertainment Business", I have the opportunity to have what I hope is a positive effect on the world in general. I don't really get to choose who is entertained, informed, or amused by what I do. I try to put out a message of love, understanding, and tolerance. I hope that seeing how that works out for me will influence others to behave in a similar fashion. That's really about the best we can hope for in this old world.

Black, White, Brown...green Purple...whatever... When a person or group uses a pressure point in his/her life to justify acts of violence, all that tells me is that such people lack the wit , imagination, morality and fortitude to work positively within the system. Their answers is to try to destroy the system, because it doesn't work for them the way they think it should work. There is nothing in their violent reactions and behaviors to suggest that they are actually concerned about equity and fairness for themselves, let alone the others they harm. As long as they keep thinking as they do, their poverty will persist and they will not escape it, ever.

I have a lot of friends with whose politics, religion, and life choices I disagree. I don't let them tell me what to think, and I don't try to tell them what to think.



Being in the "Music Business" and the "Entertainment Business", I have the opportunity to have what I hope is a positive effect on the world in general. I don't really get to choose who is entertained, informed, or amused by what I do. I try to put out a message of love, understanding, and tolerance. I hope that seeing how that works out for me will influence others to behave in a similar fashion. That's really about the best we can hope for in this old world.[/quote

All due respect RG, but that sounds like the view of someone that is tired of all the bullshiit. I love the part about tolerance. I love the part about love. But as far as hope,,, we just tried that and it all it has become is a theme song for control of mass populations of human slaves. Don't matter what color. Oh and yes,, you can and probably do have a positive effect on people you meet in general, and get to share your music..

Don't get too tired.....