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I said delusional liar. Liars are hardly nice people, especially when they get multiplied millions, hundreds of millions of people to follow them and deceive them with their lies.

My reading comprehension is excellent. So good, in fact, that I can see you edited your original post to add all that fruit crap. You will have to do much better than that.

Yes I do edit quite often. Sometimes to add something I forgot to put in, like a missing word, or for spelling, or to add an afterthought as opposed to running a string of posts all in a row. Or even to rephrase a sentence to correct its composition.... something I noticed that you never do.

Regardless, there were many posts BEFORE you displayed your inability to comprehend what was written. And the edit you object so strongly to was that I added the "fruit" comment from scripture? Why? Because it reveals insight to his true nature? How lame.

And just what exactly does the scripture that I added have to do with the fact that I never stated that he wasn't a Christian? His deeds rat him out more than anything anyone could ever say about him. No one has to either affirm or deny his being a Christian to those who have any insight whatsoever. What a typical lame liberal diversion. But expected never the less.

I know you keep boasting that you have a degree in literature. So what does that mean in the real world? That you read a couple of books? You have a degree in reading? Wow! It still doesn't mean that you could comprehend any of them. So what exactly does a person with a degree in literature do in the real world? Do you get really good at reading and teach others to read books? Then they can teach others to read books and get degrees?

It sounds rather useless since you haven't a clue as to what is truly going on around you... given that there are so many books being written about it.

Try reading Ameritopia or Liberty and Tyranny. If you can comprehend them you will understand how screwed up your political position is. Unless you are a Communist, Marxist or Socialist. In other words, a traitor to this republic.

The truth lies in what I quoted. That you can tell a tree by the fruit it bears. Just as Drumsinheart said, we are to judge the fruit, not the motive. It is a spiritual principle that is perhaps beyond your understanding.

Stepped in a bookstore for something to read...
Too many titles...for too many needs...
- Excerpt from song: "Dumbing Me Down" - Moi

So, how is it Bible authors lied, but Obama does not? Is he not a man?

And if everybody lies, what kind of world is this?

I guess that is why I trust the Bible. It does not have any lies in it. The anvil has, and will continue to wear out all the hammers struck against it.

Dude, the bible is entirely made up, MAYBE based on a few people who really existed.
Forrest Gump is more real.
Star Trek is more real.
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is about just as real.



It contradicts itself numerous times, like you'd expect a book written and edited by multiple people who lived thousands of years apart.

So, how is it Bible authors lied, but Obama does not? Is he not a man?

And if everybody lies, what kind of world is this?

I guess that is why I trust the Bible. It does not have any lies in it. The anvil has, and will continue to wear out all the hammers struck against it.

Dude, the bible is entirely made up, MAYBE based on a few people who really existed.
Forrest Gump is more real.
Star Trek is more real.
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is about just as real.
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It contradicts itself numerous times, like you'd expect a book written and edited by multiple people who lived thousands of years apart.

The bible has been the most challenged literature of all time. Every single time someone has challenged it's claims throughout history, an excavation would prove them wrong. You are only showing ignorance about the subject and are not half as smart as any of those who have been proven wrong.

Who cares whether you approve the Truth anyway? Doesn't change a thing. There is more proof of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus than there is proof that George Washington was our first President. Do you recognize that guy on a one dollar bill? Why? Whatever method of proof for believing that will prove the veracity of the scriptures if applied evenly.

If you want to rail against religion, I'm right there with you, and certainly know more about the sad history of the wicked deeds coming from the "church". However to see the big picture, you need to separate faith in God from religionists who manipulate those who don't know the Word for themselves.






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So, how is it Bible authors lied, but Obama does not? Is he not a man?

And if everybody lies, what kind of world is this?

I guess that is why I trust the Bible. It does not have any lies in it. The anvil has, and will continue to wear out all the hammers struck against it.

Dude, the bible is entirely made up, MAYBE based on a few people who really existed.
Forrest Gump is more real.
Star Trek is more real.
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is about just as real.
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It contradicts itself numerous times, like you'd expect a book written and edited by multiple people who lived thousands of years apart.

The bible has been the most challenged literature of all time. Every single time someone has challenged it's claims throughout history, an excavation would prove them wrong. You are only showing ignorance about the subject and are not half as smart as any of those who have been proven wrong.

Who cares whether you approve the Truth anyway? Doesn't change a thing. There is more proof of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus than there is proof that George Washington was our first President. Do you recognize that guy on a one dollar bill? Why? Whatever method of proof for believing that will prove the veracity of the scriptures if applied evenly.

If you want to rail against religion, I'm right there with you, and certainly know more about the sad history of the wicked deeds coming from the "church". However to see the big picture, you need to separate faith in God from religionists who manipulate those who don't know the Word for themselves.

I don't know what "proof" you think you have.
But, it is baloney.
All of it.
There were many persons 2,000 years ago named Jesus.
There were many persons 2,000 years ago also claiming to be the messiah.
Which one is the bible referring to?
There are many previous stories of mythical characters that are EXACTLY like the story of Jesus.
I'm sure that the Christian co-option of pagan rituals and dates have NOTHING to do with this.
It's just a coincidence, right?
BTW did you know that GOD explicitly forbids Christmas trees?
It's a pagan ritual adopted by Christians.

The bible hasn't been challenged nearly ENOUGH.
Historically, everyone has given religion a free pass... out of respect.
Usually the debate is BETWEEN religions, not whether it's all hot air.
Well, f*ck respect for them.
They haven't earned any.

I really don't care about "railing against religion".
It has about the same priority for me as railing against leprechauns & unicorns.
But, at least no one shoves leprechauns & unicorns in my face every day.

I said delusional liar. Liars are hardly nice people, especially when they get multiplied millions, hundreds of millions of people to follow them and deceive them with their lies.

when did i (or anyone else here) call christ a "delusional liar".

now, i would say that if he identified himself as the son of god...yep, pretty delusional. but just as likely if he did say that... he probably believed it. in my book that doesn't make him a "liar" just a little goofy.

"There were many persons 2,000 years ago named Jesus. "

And there have been about 100 of them added to our city phone book during the last 20 years.

So, how is it Bible authors lied, but Obama does not? Is he not a man?

And if everybody lies, what kind of world is this?

I guess that is why I trust the Bible. It does not have any lies in it. The anvil has, and will continue to wear out all the hammers struck against it.

Dude, the bible is entirely made up, MAYBE based on a few people who really existed.
Forrest Gump is more real.
Star Trek is more real.
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is about just as real.
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It contradicts itself numerous times, like you'd expect a book written and edited by multiple people who lived thousands of years apart.

The bible has been the most challenged literature of all time. Every single time someone has challenged it's claims throughout history, an excavation would prove them wrong. You are only showing ignorance about the subject and are not half as smart as any of those who have been proven wrong.

Who cares whether you approve the Truth anyway? Doesn't change a thing. There is more proof of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus than there is proof that George Washington was our first President. Do you recognize that guy on a one dollar bill? Why? Whatever method of proof for believing that will prove the veracity of the scriptures if applied evenly.

If you want to rail against religion, I'm right there with you, and certainly know more about the sad history of the wicked deeds coming from the "church". However to see the big picture, you need to separate faith in God from religionists who manipulate those who don't know the Word for themselves.






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that latest excavation reveals POSSIBLY Jesus had a wife.. that would suck if they had to re-write the Bible again.. St.James knew it was a laborious task to make it fit to modern man's (philosophies(

"There were many persons 2,000 years ago named Jesus. "

And there have been about 100 of them added to our city phone book during the last 20 years.

alright...i gotta give it up for that. that's pretty damn good!

So, how is it Bible authors lied, but Obama does not? Is he not a man?

And if everybody lies, what kind of world is this?

I guess that is why I trust the Bible. It does not have any lies in it. The anvil has, and will continue to wear out all the hammers struck against it.

Dude, the bible is entirely made up, MAYBE based on a few people who really existed.
Forrest Gump is more real.
Star Trek is more real.
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is about just as real.
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It contradicts itself numerous times, like you'd expect a book written and edited by multiple people who lived thousands of years apart.

The bible has been the most challenged literature of all time. Every single time someone has challenged it's claims throughout history, an excavation would prove them wrong. You are only showing ignorance about the subject and are not half as smart as any of those who have been proven wrong.

Who cares whether you approve the Truth anyway? Doesn't change a thing. There is more proof of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus than there is proof that George Washington was our first President. Do you recognize that guy on a one dollar bill? Why? Whatever method of proof for believing that will prove the veracity of the scriptures if applied evenly.

If you want to rail against religion, I'm right there with you, and certainly know more about the sad history of the wicked deeds coming from the "church". However to see the big picture, you need to separate faith in God from religionists who manipulate those who don't know the Word for themselves.

I don't know what "proof" you think you have.
But, it is baloney.
All of it.
There were many persons 2,000 years ago named Jesus.
There were many persons 2,000 years ago also claiming to be the messiah.
Which one is the bible referring to?
There are many previous stories of mythical characters that are EXACTLY like the story of Jesus.
I'm sure that the Christian co-option of pagan rituals and dates have NOTHING to do with this.
It's just a coincidence, right?
BTW did you know that GOD explicitly forbids Christmas trees?
It's a pagan ritual adopted by Christians.

The bible hasn't been challenged nearly ENOUGH.
Historically, everyone has given religion a free pass... out of respect.
Usually the debate is BETWEEN religions, not whether it's all hot air.
Well, f*ck respect for them.
They haven't earned any.

I really don't care about "railing against religion".
It has about the same priority for me as railing against leprechauns & unicorns.
But, at least no one shoves leprechauns & unicorns in my face every day.

Dont ya just love how a feller can take a staunch position , claiming there is no God...and at the same time , cite God's rules about Christmas trees?


Mike, Bro... You got way lots of hostility here against a concept , which I suspect you may not have fully explored. Were entitled to our opinions,no doubt about it... but its almost as thought some catholic priest got his hands on you and hail mary ied, ya in a biblical way...

Just curious....Is it really the idea of a god that chaps your hide, or is itall the flag wavers that piss ya off (for me its the flag wavers) . I'm not talking about guys like Yod...he actually has a vast knowledge of scripture...I'm talking about the posers on whom the real message of God is lost, but who still shove it doen our throats...

In the end, My faith in a God comes from my own research and such...Not because of what somebody else told me about i should accept about it... So I'm asking...is that where your hostility comes from...the shoving and imposition? If it is, I totally get it... If its not...Then I'd say you got some hefty hatred burning inside of you. Either way, I hope it resolves some day...

So, how is it Bible authors lied, but Obama does not? Is he not a man?

And if everybody lies, what kind of world is this?

I guess that is why I trust the Bible. It does not have any lies in it. The anvil has, and will continue to wear out all the hammers struck against it.

Dude, the bible is entirely made up, MAYBE based on a few people who really existed.
Forrest Gump is more real.
Star Trek is more real.
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is about just as real.
[/img]

It contradicts itself numerous times, like you'd expect a book written and edited by multiple people who lived thousands of years apart.

The bible has been the most challenged literature of all time. Every single time someone has challenged it's claims throughout history, an excavation would prove them wrong. You are only showing ignorance about the subject and are not half as smart as any of those who have been proven wrong.

Who cares whether you approve the Truth anyway? Doesn't change a thing. There is more proof of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus than there is proof that George Washington was our first President. Do you recognize that guy on a one dollar bill? Why? Whatever method of proof for believing that will prove the veracity of the scriptures if applied evenly.

If you want to rail against religion, I'm right there with you, and certainly know more about the sad history of the wicked deeds coming from the "church". However to see the big picture, you need to separate faith in God from religionists who manipulate those who don't know the Word for themselves.

I don't know what "proof" you think you have.
But, it is baloney.
All of it.
There were many persons 2,000 years ago named Jesus.
There were many persons 2,000 years ago also claiming to be the messiah.
Which one is the bible referring to?
There are many previous stories of mythical characters that are EXACTLY like the story of Jesus.
I'm sure that the Christian co-option of pagan rituals and dates have NOTHING to do with this.
It's just a coincidence, right?
BTW did you know that GOD explicitly forbids Christmas trees?
It's a pagan ritual adopted by Christians.

The bible hasn't been challenged nearly ENOUGH.
Historically, everyone has given religion a free pass... out of respect.
Usually the debate is BETWEEN religions, not whether it's all hot air.
Well, f*ck respect for them.
They haven't earned any.

I really don't care about "railing against religion".
It has about the same priority for me as railing against leprechauns & unicorns.
But, at least no one shoves leprechauns & unicorns in my face every day.

yes I know all of that about paganism; that's why I'm messianic


But you are still confusing religion with faith.




Like I said, people much smarter than you have tried. I will leave a fool alone to his folly. Have fun with that.

that latest excavation reveals POSSIBLY Jesus had a wife.. that would suck if they had to re-write the Bible again.. St.James knew it was a laborious task to make it fit to modern man's (philosophies(

Yawn. Nothing new. They've tried to prove that forever. It hasn't been and won't be.


But fools will believe whatever lets them off the hook. Oh how they love their lies more than the truth, and it won't be taken from them.

Dont ya just love how a feller can take a staunch position , claiming there is no God...and at the same time , cite God's rules about Christmas trees?


Mike, Bro... You got way lots of hostility here against a concept , which I suspect you may not have fully explored. Were entitled to our opinions,no doubt about it... but its almost as thought some catholic priest got his hands on you and hail mary ied, ya in a biblical way...

Just curious....Is it really the idea of a god that chaps your hide, or is itall the flag wavers that piss ya off (for me its the flag wavers) . I'm not talking about guys like Yod...he actually has a vast knowledge of scripture...I'm talking about the posers on whom the real message of God is lost, but who still shove it doen our throats...

In the end, My faith in a God comes from my own research and such...Not because of what somebody else told me about i should accept about it... So I'm asking...is that where your hostility comes from...the shoving and imposition? If it is, I totally get it... If its not...Then I'd say you got some hefty hatred burning inside of you. Either way, I hope it resolves some day...

This conversation began with the ridiculous claim that Obama is a Muslim.

He's not.

He is a Christian.

But, regardless of what faith he has, he still believes in an invisible man.
So, the difference is moot, to me.
The "concept" doesn't bother me as much as human stupidity, ignorance, superstition, etc. and the resulting influence on society.
The idiot flag wavers are not the problem.
They are a symptom of faulty reasoning, flawed logic, and intellectual laziness.
Religion perpetuates this.
In brainwashing, there is a technique called mind-stopping.
It distracts a person and weakens their power of independent thinking, making them vulnerable to believe whatever horsesh*t is fed to them.
Religious ceremonies are commonly built on mind-stopping techniques which have also been used by totalitarian regimes around the world.

People who have faith in Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. all pick-and-choose what they want to follow.
Some are nice people.
A lot are just hypocritical assh*les looking for justification for what they already believe in.

Yes, I'd say the hypocritical assh*les kinda spoiled it for everyone.
Before Bush & Cheney came into power and 9/11 happened, a lot of atheists thought, "if it gives them comfort and they don't bother anyone, what's the harm?"
Well, we've seen the harm.
They ARE bothering everyone.
This sh*t's gotta stop, eventually, if we're gonna make it together on this planet.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but, not their own facts... especially when it affects the rest of us.

I was raised as a Christian.
I spent my childhood attending a Pentecostal church.
I also spent most of my childhood being abused, wondering why GOD allowed this, why GOD allowed a LOT of things to happen.
MY research and my own ability to reason led me out of that.
So, I'm a lot more of a well-adjusted person now than when I thought there was some all-powerful all-knowing all-caring supreme being who didn't really give a damn about anything but having his ego stroked.

Well, at least it makes sense to me now.

I'm sorry for your personal history and how it has deeply colored your world.

I also spent most of my childhood being abused, wondering why GOD allowed this, why GOD allowed a LOT of things to happen.
MY research and my own ability to reason led me out of that.
So, I'm a lot more of a well-adjusted person now than when I thought there was some all-powerful all-knowing all-caring supreme being who didn't really give a damn about anything but having his ego stroked.

That wasn't God manipulating/controlling you, it was religion. I hated religion when I was an atheist, but I hate even more now.

I'm also very sorry that you were subjected to people who abused the position they were in.

That is what I call "greco-church" and it's a sorry counterfeit of what we were given originally. I detest it as much you, I promise.

But there are good communities of faithful people who love and serve each other. Unfortunately they are very hard to find these days because it's so random.