General Music Chat

that should be called
"and this is your brain on drugs"

an alternative title....

"the ayatollah lights his dick on fire"

:lol:

that should be called
"and this is your brain on drugs"

But it gets better still!
When I hear this Ornette track with them now, years later, I can hear very clearly how he is relating to their music. It still has a stilted quality to it though, since they do not interact with his improvisation. He probably sounds like a man shouting in a foreign language at them while they play their song .. maybe he even just overdubbed it in a studio without them ever hearing it.

hey man, if that's what you gotta hear......go for it
thank God I don't have to have that around messing up my ambitions

hey man, if that's what you gotta hear......go for it
thank God I don't have to have that around messing up my ambitions

I too, am very grateful that I do not have your ambitions, to limit my curiosity and stunt my knowledge about the multitude of musical forms that exist throughout the world and back through history.

lol
what a load of self congratulatory bullshit.

hey man, if that's what you gotta hear......go for it
thank God I don't have to have that around messing up my ambitions

I too, am very grateful that I do not have your ambitions, to limit my curiosity and stunt my knowledge about the multitude of musical forms that exist throughout the world and back through history.

Appreciation for a varied array of forms does not constitute ambition. David Brubeck ambitiously amassed wealth off of one, maybe two songs ever...The commercial 'Take Five, and Rondala Turk...I think

hey man, if that's what you gotta hear......go for it
thank God I don't have to have that around messing up my ambitions

I too, am very grateful that I do not have your ambitions, to limit my curiosity and stunt my knowledge about the multitude of musical forms that exist throughout the world and back through history.

Appreciation for a varied array of forms does not constitute ambition. David Brubeck ambitiously amassed wealth off of one, maybe two songs ever...The commercial 'Take Five, and Rondala Turk...I think

Those tunes are in 5/4 and 9/8, inspired by musical forms Brubeck heard while visiting Turkey. Evidently, they did not mess up Brubecks ambitions.

According to Wikipedia "Upon his death in 1977, Desmond left the rights to royalties for performances and compositions, including "Take Five", to the American Red Cross, which has since received combined royalties of approximately $100,000 per year."

well I would be much more impressed if you were a sophisticated composer instead of such a sophisticated audience.

and you'll be having much more success impressing planetguy with interesting anecdotes about dave brubeck than you will, looking them up on my behalf.

JCP61, Neal Peart was not an influence on my craft, nor was Rush an influence on any of us back in the 70s. Saying Legend's music was a ripoff of Rush would be incorrect, I believe. If any comparisons can be made they were quite accidental.

I've always liked cymbals, and have always had a lot of pitches to work with in drum sets I've had all my life. Just the way I hear things, I guess.

As far as free form, we knew when we started the project it was not for the general fusion crowd. But, seeing Free Form Funky Freqs obviously have an audience here and abroad we figure we'll get some kind of positive response. Plus, it is just the essence of doing what we want to do at this point in our lives. I'd rather be honest to that, and the challenge, and enjoy what I'm doing, than writing other things as in the past. Tom, the guitarist, has a nice way of approaching all this. He's not into fretboard fireworks. He doesn't solo. He's into chords, and mood, and creating textures with all his gadgets and gizmos. So the music has a lot of contrasts. In many ways we have come to feel like it's sound track music without the movie. We also see it as road trip music. Something you pop in and just take off with as you drive. I know it has taken the edge off long trips I have taken because it isn't predictable, so the miles tend to decrease on my aggravation scale and I just sail along. Of course, that can be said for any type of music someone likes and takes their mind off the tediousness of driving, or adds to the experience.

Coleman's style is way too off the wall for me, and often sounds like a train wreck in my ears, but obviously he had fans, and still does. When it comes to musical expression what floats someone's boat can be just about anything. That's the wonderful thing about music.

To be honest, after doing this for a year now it gives me greater appreciation for what it takes to be a musician, as far as thinking with your instrument. It also makes me wonder about what kind of extended studio jams have been recorded by masters and will never see light of day simply because it isn't "marketable."

Vinny, the whole "conversation" vibe is really accurate for me, and I've used that metaphor in liner notes for this. When I first started playing with Tom, I heard what he was doing, but now I know what he might say before he says it, and it creates a more solid and meaningful conversation for me. I can instantly tell when he is in the zone and when he is trying to find a path to take.

The thing about Coleman's music that is displeasing for me is that, as a conversation it tends to sound like everybody is shouting at each other in discordant, disjointed words and sentences. I wonder how it can be pleasing for people to listen to, from an emotional point of view.

Being honest, everything we play is not totally satisfying to my ears, but overall I understand what is being said, and enjoy the conversation.

Vinny, the whole "conversation" vibe is really accurate for me, and I've used that metaphor in liner notes for this. When I first started playing with Tom, I heard what he was doing, but now I know what he might say before he says it, and it creates a more solid and meaningful conversation for me. I can instantly tell when he is in the zone and when he is trying to find a path to take.

The thing about Coleman's music that is displeasing for me is that, as a conversation it tends to sound like everybody is shouting at each other in discordant, disjointed words and sentences. I wonder how it can be pleasing for people to listen to, from an emotional point of view.

Being honest, everything we play is not totally satisfying to my ears, but overall I understand what is being said, and enjoy the conversation.

Folks who don't "get" Coleman probably don't get noise music either. It can vary from a quiet pleasing conversation to the equivalent of sonic wallpaper. "Real" musicians may disparage it completely. But, noise enthusiasts can usually distinguish between "good" noise and "bad" noise and completely agree on the same performances. I guess whatever forms of music you're listening to, if you haven't developed an ear for it you probably won't enjoy it. I still can't stand The Eagles.

"Noise music." That sounds like an oxymoron.

Music is defined as a combination of melody, harmony and rhythm.

Noise is defined as-
1: loud, confused, or senseless shouting or outcry
2a : sound; especially : one that lacks agreeable musical quality or is noticeably unpleasant

I guess 'music' is in the ears of the beholder.

Here is King Crimson performing a free form improvised piece. Warning: do not try at home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMYCQa5keaI

Interesting, Jimmy. That is quite close to the gig we are doing, without some of the other genres we employ, like ambient and stuff.

Bruford. I love him.