General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

Sorry to interrupt but I wanted to post this news report from Israel to show you guys what happened in Poland 2 weeks ago as a follow up of our conversations earlier in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIq9d-gC91U

Sorry to interrupt but I wanted to post this news report from Israel to show you guys what happened in Poland 2 weeks ago as a follow up of our conversations earlier in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIq9d-gC91U

Wow that is a powerful video! Something I have not ever given any thought to. How children of SS soldiers carry guilt. I guess that could be the same kind of guilt some white folks carry (our nation) carries over slavery!

Sorry to interrupt but I wanted to post this news report from Israel to show you guys what happened in Poland 2 weeks ago as a follow up of our conversations earlier in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIq9d-gC91U

Wow that is a powerful video! Something I have not ever given any thought to. How children of SS soldiers carry guilt. I guess that could be the same kind of guilt some white folks carry (our nation) carries over slavery!

Exactly Jeff!

That's why its so important for American whites to realize that dismissal , and indifference, simply because "we weren't there" is just as painful and hateful a blow to some people, who lost their entire identity, dignity, life, and place in Gods Earth on account of vile hatred, for no reason other than the sake of hatred. Can you imagine being on the receiving end, every day of your life and through the next generation. What a horrifying message of doom, a a people, a culture, as our brothers and sisters that they had to live through and endure.

Hatred is a very real poison that eats though everything...

This is why I ask , what is it gonna take for us to reconcile and make right, what was so wrong.

...PaperDog ... very well stated and riddled with Truths. Therein lies the age old problem in many ways. When possible I personally have found that if I exert my utmost patience ... without retreating,,,but hammering through to the "adversary" that I wish to truly understand his unique perspective then often it works. At times it gets a bit messy but it works despite that.

Forgiveness is very difficult for anyone, myself included, but if one can do this and break free from the skinnerlike conditioning that we have and are being assailed with since our births ... then by example this often inspires the "adversary" to relax a bit and open their mind at least enough to step back and "view from a distance".

Once diffused, a drink or sit down can be initiated and an exchange of histories and feelings can ensue and at times even a friendship. Nevertheless I admire your way with words and your effective use of such.

Ta Live Well Die Well

JCP61... I thank you for your Post and excellent graphic. It is appropriate as a bomb is an excellent example of a nuclear reactor. It looks like it has a "seeing eye". Reading the descriptions on either side was very amusing regarding the names ..."Tamper Assembly" ...I once had a girlfriend with one of those.

Mike Talbot ... What would you do with it if you ever got one ?

Lynard ... I thank you for your Post. It is a distinct possibility. Please keep me posted. I hope your music is going well for you.

Vinny... I thank you very much for your thoughtful Post. You are correct regarding "totally irresponsible". ,I believe that the entire "Program" has always been for weaponry since it's conception. The quest for "The Biggest Stick" and an effective way "to eliminate". Those who are "in charge" have shown very little reponsibility and even more so regarding intelligence in "planning". 90% of all reactors in the world are said to be "leaking" in some way and are past or nearing their "expiry date". You are absolutely correct, they have not come up with any real way of dealing with the waste excepting DU which is working out well for them... "Kill the Troops".

Yod ... Excellent and thank you so much. I knew you were busy as I have seen no Posts from you. You are an amazing man.

Haley ... I commend you. You are getting into the thick of things and posting some very thought provoking statements. I thank you.

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...the US, China and Russia have now had 7 years of drought. There is not enough feed for the livestock in the midwest and some culling has already begun. This will no doubt facilitate the the process of Agenda 21. Quite some time ago Kissinger expressed his desire and intention of using food as a weapon and now we are on the verge of seeing this happen in our own country not just far away Afrika.

Many are on food stamps or some kind of fragile assistance from churches and charities. Glenn was not ezagerating as there are many eating dogfood. Farmers and Ranchers usual government loans are not being given and much corn is being diverted to use in making fuel. The nasses are being trained to consume at Walmart, Costco and such. Travel is being more and more restricted and expensive. The citizen in the US is no longer free as government surveillance increases. Winter is coming. Does anyone see the developing scenario that is becoming more possible now in light of all this ? Armed drones for the domestic citizens ?

Am I just being a paranoid, radical, conspiracy theorist ?? The Pacific fish are now contaminated way past "acceptable" limits of radiation. Tepco hopes to have one reactor shut down completly as quickly as 10 years from now ? That certainly takes away the worry does it not ?

Ta Live Well Die Well do not eat the shellfish or other fish unless you wish to end it more quickly. But let us concentrate on the real issues...who to vote for...Ha Ha Ha Ha.

I feel no guilt for slavery or any other sin that I didn't commit. Nor do I feel guilt about being a southerner where slavery was more rampant than in the north.

If the Feds had minded their own damn business the slaves would have been free peacably and there would have been no KKK or Jim Crow.

I was there during the tail end of the civil rights movement. Those folks felt they had proved themselves and wanted full rights. They had indeed and a great many of us (whites) supported giving them the same rights as whites.

It is only because of a dazzlingly corrupt political machine that race is considered at all. Among the mature among us it is not an issue. So why do govt swine and their media cohorts keep stirring up racial disharmony?

They are the ones that should feel guilt.

Talbot

...the US, China and Russia have now had 7 years of drought. There is not enough feed for the livestock in the midwest and some culling has already begun. This will no doubt facilitate the the process of Agenda 21. Quite some time ago Kissinger expressed his desire and intention of using food as a weapon and now we are on the verge of seeing this happen in our own country not just far away Afrika.

Many are on food stamps or some kind of fragile assistance from churches and charities. Glenn was not ezagerating as there are many eating dogfood. Farmers and Ranchers usual government loans are not being given and much corn is being diverted to use in making fuel. The nasses are being trained to consume at Walmart, Costco and such. Travel is being more and more restricted and expensive. The citizen in the US is no longer free as government surveillance increases. Winter is coming. Does anyone see the developing scenario that is becoming more possible now in light of all this ? Armed drones for the domestic citizens ?

Am I just being a paranoid, radical, conspiracy theorist ?? The Pacific fish are now contaminated way past "acceptable" limits of radiation. Tepco hopes to have one reactor shut down completly as quickly as 10 years from now ? That certainly takes away the worry does it not ?

Ta Live Well Die Well do not eat the shellfish or other fish unless you wish to end it more quickly. But let us concentrate on the real issues...who to vote for...Ha Ha Ha Ha.

Vamp. I have been hearing about the "End Of The World" as far back as I can remember. the world will surely end for us all at one time or another (when we die) I think not for us all at the same time. droughts have always occurred as weather patterns change and mankind just has to deal with it. The dust bowl happened because farmers were using poor farming tactics. Thats what the agricultural sciences are all about! Last year we had TERRIBLE drought here in Texas. My son raises cattle. Last year it was very difficult finding hay and it cost alot more. the Breeder we get our cattle from was spending every dime he had trying to increase his heard as much as possible. You want to know why? He knew the other cattleman were DECREASING their heard's in panic! The cattle industry is VERY similar to any other investment industry. If your smart when every one else is selling you buy and when they are buying you sell (if the price is right) The thing with cattle if you feed them and keep them healthy they just keep multiplying! This year feed grain is high (it has a lot of corn)! My point to all this is don't worry their will be plenty of beef!

I feel no guilt for slavery or any other sin that I didn't commit. Nor do I feel guilt about being a southerner where slavery was more rampant than in the north.

Mike, Like you, my personal conscience is clear. But My sense of empathy is not. While I'm glad I didn't partake of the evil, It does not change the reality that many of our brothers and sisters were severely effected for generations... These are my neighbors, and we all belong to the same family up in the sky...

I'm concerned that even today, there are pockets in America, where men and women, descendants of slaves, are still targeted and abused...Imagine living life in Fear or stress right here in America no less...

It is only because of a dazzlingly corrupt political machine that race is considered at all. Among the mature among us it is not an issue. So why do govt swine and their media cohorts keep stirring up racial disharmony?

They are the ones that should feel guilt.

The Feds politicized it just like they do on immigration today. All about votes. but in the case of slavery, it really need to stop... It wasn't just about the plantation workers, it was also about transport, auctionaing, and wanton abuse. It was a mindset from a white north American /European culture which dictated the heartless and dismissive lack of regard for the human lives that they "harvested' from continents far away.
It had to stop...and thanks to our constitution , and a civil war, it finally did stop... But what never changed, (been the slowest to change so far) is that 'mind-set" Today its much much better than before, but we all still gotta smack our younguns around enough to get them to realize how serious this inhumanity was... My whole point, is that we need to teach subsequent generations how to express real compassion, and own the mistakes. I believe this is the right step toward trust and forgiveness from the people who got hurt. And I personally want to see that as a permanant option

...Mike Talbot ... I thank you for your Post. It makes me think about some things that really separate people I believe. I have always respected your forthrightness and intellect. Yod's video demonstrates in part a phenomenon that from a psychological point of view I have always found to be rather interesting.

Like you and PaperDog state , I also have no guilt for what my relatives did. My GrandFather was the only one of 9 Brothers who left Germany with his Sister and came to Amerika. The others stayed and all served in some branch of the German Armed Forces throughout the entire war. Somehow they all survived. There are many interesting stories involved in all this but the one that is relevant is my Great Uncle Gerald who was first in the Hitler Youth and then the Waffen SS. He told me about the war and even showed me pictures when I was growing up. He is dead now but he remained a Nazi all his life. He had a portrait of Hitler above his fireplace and all of his service medals , dagger and ring on display upon it.

He was a Warrior and always described himself as a "Professional Soldier". I feel that I was very lucky to have had him as my Uncle. I believe that he taught me much with respect to the ways of the world and war and politics. Most of all he taught me about Domination and Submission. Much later I was able to use this knowledge with regard to understanding the conditions that in many ways are the root of everyone's personality, sex life and success and failure in life much of the time. Of course these conclusions are all arguable but they have at least in my case served me quite well. I have come to believe it all in certain ways based upon this knowledge and my own personal experience.

I believe this all has been the source quite often from which I can effectively deal with people and situations that shall we say were never ideal. Everyone is most definately wired differently and to understand this empowers one. My German relatives became disgusted by much of the German Youth after the war and what they have become today. I never fully understood this until I actually went to Germany and lived and worked and met some of them ... that is relatives and random youth. I could go on about this all for hours as there are so very many aspects involved. It was at this time in my youth that the seeds were planted for S&M and B&D within me. As odd as it may sound my Uncle Gerald posthumosly was somewhat of a mentor or guide for me in this.

Have you ever seen an older film called "The Night Porter" ? If not do so at some point ... as it is very much within this them of guilt and also the condition of loving one's captor. Many times I have had somewhat theoretical discussion and discourse and arguments with christians, Muslims, Jews and Catholics and many others regarding such guilt and it's implications ...most often I was condemned for not feeling any guilt and stating so. I now take some comfort in what you and PaperDog have stated on this subject matter...not in a bad way. Unfortunately it requires some time to discuss it all properly.

PaperDog I also thank you for your Post and view. Both of you in some circles would be condemned for your feelings on this. I believe that in many ways it all is the very basis of all of us in one way or the other or perhaps both. It separates us and at the same time links us with animals.

My Wife tells me that from the first moment she heard my voice on the phone and read my words and saw my picture on my website that I reminded her much of the character that Antony Hopkins plays in "Hannibal". I think that to a great extent this is due to my Uncle Gerald's influence and the manner he chose to explain both Life and Death to me....good/evil ...Domination/Submission ... many I have met feel the same as my wife which is interesting. I have always taken this comparison as a great compliment even before ever knowing my Wife. For us both the story of Hannibal Lector is a tender Love story much the same as Beauty and the Beast which has always been one of our favorites since childhood.

Ta Live Well Die Well

...Haley ... once again I thank you for your detailed and very kind Post. Let me explain further please...

I do agree with you in general regarding "the end of the world". I think naturally it will eventually really become more of an End of an Age and the Birth oe a new Age. But this said ... I have come to realize that the Nuclear Fiasco presents a highly possible E.L.E. or Extinction Level Event which will drastically change things for the worst on an almost permanent basis.

What you relate re farming techniques etc. is completely correct regarding the "Dust Bowl" etc. up to the 1960's. I grew up on the Nebraska/Wyoming Border on a ranch. Every morning and evening we fed 300 cattle or so regardless of the weather. Of course there was other livestock as well...horses, pigs, sheep and such. I havce spent many hours ploughing, drilling,rod-weeding and raking, baling and stacking. In short I am completely familiarwith all the various factors involved.

Please consider a few things if you will ... for quite some time (since the end of WWII) Independent Farms and Ranches have been "disappearing" at an increasingly alarming rate. One of my Sisters and her Husband have over 4 thousand acres and things have been becoming more and more difficult for them over the years. Corporations have been buying up and taking over for a long time now. The harvests have been gettingworse and worse and government "help" less and less with more and more conditions attached. It used to be that in order to "play" the market of food- corn, wheat, livestock etc. It was required that you actually be involved in the production of such industries but then things were "changed" and any little wimpy nerdlike creature ... a slave of the NWO could "play"with all the insider info and crooked attachments that the sham called Wall St. is infamous for.

Monsanto has been very busy "modifying", "killing" and "polluting our food and our DNA. The methods that used to work like you mentioned as Buy Low Sell High etc etc are now over. The final battle ... Ragnarok was begun long ago in dark and secretly. My Brother in Law is currently arranging to haul feed to his and other's cattle all the way from Canada. All this agriculture takes water and that is yet another hideous story there.

Haley I very much appreciate your well meant and positive assurance but things are truly at this moment no longer as they once were. There will not be plenty of beef in the future ... only BS.

I compliment you on your Posts recently and tireless threading. It is all very good and your method of dealing with opposing viewpoints like Kramer for instance, has improved much and since you have somewhat ceased ranting and are exhibiting more patience and logic your are more effective and sophisticated in your approach and therefore taken more seriously. WELL DONE.

The Universities of Texas as many others are now infested with NWO underlings so you must hear some very interesting conversations. At least you are not blinded by your ego as many "Professors" are.

Ta Live Well Die Well

...the US, China and Russia have now had 7 years of drought. There is not enough feed for the livestock in the midwest and some culling has already begun. This will no doubt facilitate the the process of Agenda 21. Quite some time ago Kissinger expressed his desire and intention of using food as a weapon and now we are on the verge of seeing this happen in our own country not just far away Afrika.

Many are on food stamps or some kind of fragile assistance from churches and charities. Glenn was not ezagerating as there are many eating dogfood. Farmers and Ranchers usual government loans are not being given and much corn is being diverted to use in making fuel. The nasses are being trained to consume at Walmart, Costco and such. Travel is being more and more restricted and expensive. The citizen in the US is no longer free as government surveillance increases. Winter is coming. Does anyone see the developing scenario that is becoming more possible now in light of all this ? Armed drones for the domestic citizens ?

Am I just being a paranoid, radical, conspiracy theorist ?? The Pacific fish are now contaminated way past "acceptable" limits of radiation. Tepco hopes to have one reactor shut down completly as quickly as 10 years from now ? That certainly takes away the worry does it not ?

Ta Live Well Die Well do not eat the shellfish or other fish unless you wish to end it more quickly. But let us concentrate on the real issues...who to vote for...Ha Ha Ha Ha.

I don't think it matters who you vote for Vamp, you will still be getting more and more controlled. It's simple technology, and the more technology, the more Big Brother will always be watching no matter who's in office.

I love George Calin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

Chaeya

Chaeya ... I concur . I never vote. Never have and never will. Inflation ... massive country killing inflation is now a certainty with the idiot Bernanke's QE 3. Very soon they will have all their little stupid laws into place so that if one sneezes they will have their guns confiscated. Those imbcilic cretans who "think" that it only applies to assault rifles will be whining under the black hoods as they await sobbing and stupid for their turn.

All the rich scum have now started buying gold and as they say the rats are getting ready to depart from the sinking ship. Soon fear will be the prevailing feeling and the Fema Camps will be overflowing and the Stockholm syndrome groupies will be rubbing their hands gleefully together.

For those who glimpse the future they see murder. I apologize for my depressive rant but I truly believe it to be the coming Truth.

Ta Live Well Die Well

...AN ASIDE ...Does anyone know if Scotty is ok ? I have seen nothing posted for a while. Scotty make yourself and your condition known ... so do worry.




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...at this moment in time WW3 is more possible than it ever has been before. It is entirely possible that it could commence within two weeks of this writing. Navies from 25 countries are massing. Last night US Nuclear Bombers departed Texas on a "Mission". The US Fleet is massing ... the British Fleet is massing and the entire world is about to "turn" ... turn predatory.

The Coptic Christian Film which is believed to have been a joint effort between Saudi Arabia and the US CIA is the latest "performance" of orchestrated Chaos designed to ignite the world and to create conflict. The killing of an Ambassador precipitates war much like the killing of the ArchDuke of Austria once did.

The World High Church of Wall St. continues it's "Financial Farming" with it's unholy rituals of "Profit in the Darkness". QE "Unlimited" is in fact QE3 which we were told would not happen. The river of wealth is no longer simply polluted ... it is now non-existent ... gone. Debt is not growth. Fraudulent Debt is Murderous Atrocity.

Serial Lying is now common policy especially during an "Election". It is practiced by both the Politicians and the Mass Media. Refuse to participate any longer in this extravegent Lie. Do not enforce your own enslavement. Do not replace one sick,and disgusting Delusion with another sick and disgusting Delusion.

Power is the Dream of Men. With man the Animal ... there is always someone else ... someone else lusting for power. This makes man very vulnerable. Vulnerable to the "AntiHumans " who pollute and destroy everything they touch with their "AntiHumans". They enrich the very rich of which they are the majority. They gave up their Spiritual Rights ... when they began killing those who believed in things ... for money.

The "Political Capture of the "Euro-Union" and the theft of soverienty leaves a hidden stink in the air. Now they pull the Arab strings and make them "Dance" again. The Reich was not hiding ... it has been simply waiting in the shadows.

Now there is great and growing disorder within the US. Groundless arrests and court cases which mock Freedom and the Constitution ... Bill of Rights ...the Amendments and those who take an Oath to defend them. The new Paradigm is that No One is Innocent any longer. It is not a matter of not knowing what is going on ... it is that no one will stand up out of fear and cowardice.

There is division in the US between zionists and pentagon generals.

" The root of violence is science without humanity ...""

Mahatma Gandhi



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