jimmydanger wrote:One little thing Bob - these were just regular folks, not al qaeda. They reacted badly to a video that mocked their religion. Hopefully those responsible for Steven's death will be found and held to account.. I don't believe for one second that these were "regular folks" whatsoever. This was a carefully orchestrated attack repleat with rocket propelled grenades and machine guns that just by "coincidence" occured on 9/11. Don't be naive to the reality. Burning Qurans and posting inflammatory videos doesn't in any way, shape or form compare to KILLING innocent people. I tell you that. These actions are not at all taken by religious zealots but by members of a cult. Anybody who kills humans as a result of an "inflamatory" vid are cult members who need to be hunted and liquidated until they cease ther miserable existence.
It all comes down to freedom and responsibility. Pastor Jones has the freedom to burn Qurans and make and post inflammatory videos. YouTube has the freedom to post the video. The Muslim protesters have the freedom to protest the video. But with freedom comes responsibility; just because you CAN do something does not neceessarily mean you SHOULD do something.
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#185922 by fisherman bob
Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:21 pm
Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:21 pm
THIS WAS AN ACT OF WAR!!!
Open aggression against a any embassy, any where in the world, delegated by the most peaceful of nations of the world is a crime against civility.
Even the Japanese were allowed to leave without harm, peacefully, after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
This was an ACT OF WAR....
However it may suit us better to take a bloody nose and stop sending them all our money. After all we do have have to pay for miss Flukes birth control.
Open aggression against a any embassy, any where in the world, delegated by the most peaceful of nations of the world is a crime against civility.
Even the Japanese were allowed to leave without harm, peacefully, after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
This was an ACT OF WAR....
However it may suit us better to take a bloody nose and stop sending them all our money. After all we do have have to pay for miss Flukes birth control.
Don't argue with a stupid person. They will pull you down to their level... And beat you with experience..."Samuel Langhorne Clemens"
JCP61 wrote:well,
it wouldn't be wise to loan money to people about to be melted.
http://youtu.be/R5_9Gi7w19Y
Oh that's nice, but not so much as the Tsar Bomba ... this link seems much more interesting though .... http://youtu.be/_bB9_hsETP4
LOVE is the ANSWER!
#185965 by fisherman bob
Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:23 am
Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:23 am
After an event like this we need to send hundreds of sharpshooters into Libya via radar evading gliders and for one week NOBODY is immune from headshots. Islamic fundamentalists are human pieces of scum only worthy of grinding into the paveent. No PR, no warning, no "nation building," no sending money. DEATH for one week, then pick up our people and leave. QUIETLY.
...Vinny ... thak you for your Post from wikileaks ... I mean wikipedia. It was most informative and thought provoking. It clearly illustrates the origins of financial usury and interest charging. How very far "civilization" has come now from this modest beginning. Printing unbacked money from the air, the creation of mythical derivitives ... there are so very many advancements in the world of commerce and the weather modification makes the "crop factors" so much easier to "manage" as well. I do seriously compliment you on your most excellent Post and the thought it hopefully provokes among us all.
I also watched the video link you Posted Vinny ...twice and I must thank you as well for that one. I had heard before the argument re the deterrent of the bomb but found this video very very interesting, informative and invoking. I must discuss it with my pillow before I can really draw the proper conclusions that will do it justice so to speak. I do urge everyon to watch it as it is well worth the time. At first thought the only thing that has changed considerably from the original scenario is that there are loads of Nuclear Power Plants throughout the world built on fault lines, coasts and other ridiculously vulnerable areas and of course enough bombs, small or any size to literally destroy our world several times over.
It seems that our current "governments are perhaps not nearly as humanitarian as they loudly proclaim to be ... when it suits them. This makes themdepraved, out of touch, simplistic idiots compared to McCarthur, Truman and Kennedy.
I suggest a video entitled "Unsurvivable" which is currently up on Lyndon LaRouche's website ... LarouchePac.com. It offers another realated view which is on the same subject but more updated. He recently celebrated his 90th Birthday.
Glenn... I have a question for you and ask that you not take it as some sort of insult as it is not meant thus. Do you think that US drones assassinating noncombatants, civilians, children, women, wedding parties and such public gatherings in Pakistan without the country's permission and against that country's wishes ... repeatedly violating it's airspace.. directly against the UN and International Law ... is an Act of War ?
This is all a grand complex mess and I believe orchestrated and intended to make the manipulated masses to beat their chests and call for melting, murder, mayhem and malevolence. Those killed at the Embassy were no innocents. Please understand that I belive that what was done is completely wrong in everyway and tragec. But as I have said on another Post they are really collateral damage in some ways and such should really come as no surprise. An Ambassador and his two CIA Minders ?
It seems to me that many armchair patriots are falling into this trap which is intended solely to cause division. Those who died at the embassy were not the only victims I feel. Any who are taken in by this are unwitting victims being manipulated into supporting a supposed "government" that they would normally not support.
This clearly demonstrates that all Obama has to do is to "go to war" and his re-election is then certain. He will make that miraculous transition from psychopathic criminal to American Hero as easily as remotely signing an Executive Order while playing golf.
The much rumoured October Surprise seems now much more likely after this little 9/11 Test. Everyone is jumping up.
Nuclear Power is going to become known as the Last Fart of Mankind with which he slowly and painfully kills himself with. Today they released the test results on fish in the ocean around Japan and they were 250 times the "acceptable Level" which was raised incidentally and radically right after Fukushima occured.
I have no answers for I am only one of the walking dead. I condemn no one for their beliefs ... just try to consider what they state. The Truth is now so stained that it is not discernable even when in clear view for it stinks of human feces.
Ta Live Well Die Well
I also watched the video link you Posted Vinny ...twice and I must thank you as well for that one. I had heard before the argument re the deterrent of the bomb but found this video very very interesting, informative and invoking. I must discuss it with my pillow before I can really draw the proper conclusions that will do it justice so to speak. I do urge everyon to watch it as it is well worth the time. At first thought the only thing that has changed considerably from the original scenario is that there are loads of Nuclear Power Plants throughout the world built on fault lines, coasts and other ridiculously vulnerable areas and of course enough bombs, small or any size to literally destroy our world several times over.
It seems that our current "governments are perhaps not nearly as humanitarian as they loudly proclaim to be ... when it suits them. This makes themdepraved, out of touch, simplistic idiots compared to McCarthur, Truman and Kennedy.
I suggest a video entitled "Unsurvivable" which is currently up on Lyndon LaRouche's website ... LarouchePac.com. It offers another realated view which is on the same subject but more updated. He recently celebrated his 90th Birthday.
Glenn... I have a question for you and ask that you not take it as some sort of insult as it is not meant thus. Do you think that US drones assassinating noncombatants, civilians, children, women, wedding parties and such public gatherings in Pakistan without the country's permission and against that country's wishes ... repeatedly violating it's airspace.. directly against the UN and International Law ... is an Act of War ?
This is all a grand complex mess and I believe orchestrated and intended to make the manipulated masses to beat their chests and call for melting, murder, mayhem and malevolence. Those killed at the Embassy were no innocents. Please understand that I belive that what was done is completely wrong in everyway and tragec. But as I have said on another Post they are really collateral damage in some ways and such should really come as no surprise. An Ambassador and his two CIA Minders ?
It seems to me that many armchair patriots are falling into this trap which is intended solely to cause division. Those who died at the embassy were not the only victims I feel. Any who are taken in by this are unwitting victims being manipulated into supporting a supposed "government" that they would normally not support.
This clearly demonstrates that all Obama has to do is to "go to war" and his re-election is then certain. He will make that miraculous transition from psychopathic criminal to American Hero as easily as remotely signing an Executive Order while playing golf.
The much rumoured October Surprise seems now much more likely after this little 9/11 Test. Everyone is jumping up.
Nuclear Power is going to become known as the Last Fart of Mankind with which he slowly and painfully kills himself with. Today they released the test results on fish in the ocean around Japan and they were 250 times the "acceptable Level" which was raised incidentally and radically right after Fukushima occured.
I have no answers for I am only one of the walking dead. I condemn no one for their beliefs ... just try to consider what they state. The Truth is now so stained that it is not discernable even when in clear view for it stinks of human feces.
Ta Live Well Die Well
#185991 by Slacker G
Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:30 pm
Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:30 pm
I loved the way these politicians called it. Hillary stated that there was video people carrying the body to the hospital.
Yeah, right.
Quite reminiscent of the time that they carried the bodies of our servicemen through the streets shortly before they hacked them up and set them on fire.
You go Hillary!!
Yeah, right.
Quite reminiscent of the time that they carried the bodies of our servicemen through the streets shortly before they hacked them up and set them on fire.
You go Hillary!!
Slacker G wrote:I loved the way these politicians called it. Hillary stated that there was video people carrying the body to the hospital.
Yeah, right.
Quite reminiscent of the time that they carried the bodies of our servicemen through the streets shortly before they hacked them up and set them on fire.
You go Hillary!!
Yeah, and our guys get court marshalled and persecuted for pissin on theirs!
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...Slacker...well noted. Hillary can now say "we worked together...I watched...he died".
Haley that is a very good counter point and I assume that you use it in somewhat of an ironic way as oppossed to advocating that pissing on the bodies of your enemy should be "overlooked" or "rewarded" by anyone or any side ? Of course it is not really a stretch of the imagination to understand how our troops would do such things I believe and I assume we can at least agree that understanding does not mean advocating or approving in either case.
War begets horrific atrocity and modern War is no different. I point out that the Warriors make the choice not anyone else. Warfare in medieval times was equally horrific with as today the peasants taking the brunt of atrocity. But "Chivalry" existed because there were some who chose a more moral and noble path and who dedicated themselves to a Code regardless. There have always been a few in pretty much every war that do so. The Confederacy was both notorious and Honourable in this way.
Now more than ever such dedication is needed. The more isolated it is the more inspiring it becomes. We are at the end of the Kali Yuga at this moment so such is at it's lowest ebb in time. The moral compass of mankind is broken and spinning out of control so one can make the choice...as an Artist, as a Warrior and as a Musician ... you can play on with the Band or fight through the women and children clawing your way to the small number of percieved lifeboats. That is up to each one of us and is a personal choice. And of course there is the multitude who refuse to see the writing on the wall who busy themselves rearranging the deck chairs as they say.
We all know deep within what is right or what is wrong ... what is good and what is evil ... it is just that now at this moment many simply do not care because they function on such a reduced and shallow level where materialism and greed and power are their motivations. I believe you to be a good man with a good heart and once you either see or even glimpse a Truth you act not stand by but act accordingly ... all the while expressing yourself in you direct manner which resembles an almost out of control freight train at times ... but that is part of your charm and why I chose to like you.
Ta Live Well Die Well
Haley that is a very good counter point and I assume that you use it in somewhat of an ironic way as oppossed to advocating that pissing on the bodies of your enemy should be "overlooked" or "rewarded" by anyone or any side ? Of course it is not really a stretch of the imagination to understand how our troops would do such things I believe and I assume we can at least agree that understanding does not mean advocating or approving in either case.
War begets horrific atrocity and modern War is no different. I point out that the Warriors make the choice not anyone else. Warfare in medieval times was equally horrific with as today the peasants taking the brunt of atrocity. But "Chivalry" existed because there were some who chose a more moral and noble path and who dedicated themselves to a Code regardless. There have always been a few in pretty much every war that do so. The Confederacy was both notorious and Honourable in this way.
Now more than ever such dedication is needed. The more isolated it is the more inspiring it becomes. We are at the end of the Kali Yuga at this moment so such is at it's lowest ebb in time. The moral compass of mankind is broken and spinning out of control so one can make the choice...as an Artist, as a Warrior and as a Musician ... you can play on with the Band or fight through the women and children clawing your way to the small number of percieved lifeboats. That is up to each one of us and is a personal choice. And of course there is the multitude who refuse to see the writing on the wall who busy themselves rearranging the deck chairs as they say.
We all know deep within what is right or what is wrong ... what is good and what is evil ... it is just that now at this moment many simply do not care because they function on such a reduced and shallow level where materialism and greed and power are their motivations. I believe you to be a good man with a good heart and once you either see or even glimpse a Truth you act not stand by but act accordingly ... all the while expressing yourself in you direct manner which resembles an almost out of control freight train at times ... but that is part of your charm and why I chose to like you.
Ta Live Well Die Well
#186001 by Kramerguy
Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:59 pm
Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:59 pm
Hey vamp it's funny you mention the moralities involved in everyone's lives.
I used to work on a commission sales floor. One person I worked with especially was extremely warped in their sense of morality. It was wrong to "steal" a sale from another associate, yet this person always would find some crazy justifications to do just that. To them, it wasn't about their specific action being good or bad, but the justifications behind the action. Before long, every action was 'bad' and there was no good left- only 'good' justifications.
I've taken what I learned about that over the years and found that most people do the same thing in nearly every aspect of their lives-
When a woman cheated on her husband, she justified it with "my husband drove me into the other guys arms", "he ignored me", "I think he cheated first"...
that's just one example of many types of ways people justify immoral decisions throughout their lives.
The worst part of it all is that they all seem to have brainwashed themselves into believing that they are moral and just. And believe me.. they really do believe it.
I used to work on a commission sales floor. One person I worked with especially was extremely warped in their sense of morality. It was wrong to "steal" a sale from another associate, yet this person always would find some crazy justifications to do just that. To them, it wasn't about their specific action being good or bad, but the justifications behind the action. Before long, every action was 'bad' and there was no good left- only 'good' justifications.
I've taken what I learned about that over the years and found that most people do the same thing in nearly every aspect of their lives-
When a woman cheated on her husband, she justified it with "my husband drove me into the other guys arms", "he ignored me", "I think he cheated first"...
that's just one example of many types of ways people justify immoral decisions throughout their lives.
The worst part of it all is that they all seem to have brainwashed themselves into believing that they are moral and just. And believe me.. they really do believe it.
...Kramer ... I must apologize for spelling your name wrong consistently. I shall endeavour to remedy this. I thank you for your well taken thoughts. I also used to work solely on commission selling luggage in the T. E. Eaton Companie in Toronto, Canada. I was then the "new one" and it was a shark feeding frenzy which I refused to participate in. My strategy was to remain aloof, pleasant and un-flustered as possible no matter what happened. After a time I learned the weaknesses of those hideous adversaries around me so I would cruelly play with them for profit and ultimate amusement. They all hated me but would put their best face on as they would come over and try to horn in on any sale I might be trying to make. I would then introduce them for exactly what they were and proceed to describe in very very embarrassing detail calmly and as briefly and quickly as I could their intention and the obvious "realities" of these poor creature who insist constantly upon making desperate fools of themselves in such low manners. Then I would often if the sale was not big entreat the baffled customer to go with them because they were so very unfortunate and desperate ... urging the customer to send in their friends for even the smallest sale as every little bit would help these needy victims of the world of commision. I was commende on many occasions by the customer, the management and bystanders for my charity and care. BUT my true intention was if they were kept busy by a small sale and a customer came in who was a potential "big spender" then it was one less "creature" of competition that I had to contend with to achieve the sale. I developed many ruses and eventually they learned to stay well away from me and not to interfere..
It was at this moment I began to learn of the Code of Bushido as I was taking some Martial Arts. I could never do this now and I soon realized then that what I was doing was morally wrong and to be honest quite evil.
Everyone's lives involve moral decisions constantly ..."funny" or not. It is in fact easy to judge other's morality as often it is glaring but it is wrong or evil to take advantage of it. It is your duty to point it out however. When one is "on" commission then stealing a sale is commonplace, indeed with many it becomes a way of life and something to be sought after and admired ... almost spiritual as creepy as that may sound. Your point is well taken Kramer in that those who do so justify it in some manner...at least attempt to.
This is where the men are truly seperated from the boys ... the spiritual from the non-spiritual or less evolved. Your observation is well made regarding how so many justify their immoral decisions. Now many do not even think along these lines but just react as they have been conditioned to ... even following the Judas goat into all manner of acts.
Yod is truly inspirational in this respect ... he thinks and functions on a higher level and still has great compassion, patience, Honour and Determination. This comes from actually glimpsing the Truth from time to time and applying it directly to one's life. I admire him greatly for this and support him Spiritually above all else.
You are unique in your own way as well I feel. I would never accuse you of being "brainwashed" even through clumsy innuendo. Nor do I consider myself the grand judge of others moralities ... I believe that that position is already taken. I am busy enough in my own Lair with these matters in respect to a more personal nature. I speak what i believe and if it seems to me to be a Truth then I put it forth as such.
Time is short now and we must all put our Lairs or houses in order, making ready for the coming Hell. Hopefully we all will be able to look across the fire and see the faces of some who are noble, are friends not enemies and who Love what we Love. Comrades, Kinsmen ...Compatriots.
Ta Live Well Die Well
It was at this moment I began to learn of the Code of Bushido as I was taking some Martial Arts. I could never do this now and I soon realized then that what I was doing was morally wrong and to be honest quite evil.
Everyone's lives involve moral decisions constantly ..."funny" or not. It is in fact easy to judge other's morality as often it is glaring but it is wrong or evil to take advantage of it. It is your duty to point it out however. When one is "on" commission then stealing a sale is commonplace, indeed with many it becomes a way of life and something to be sought after and admired ... almost spiritual as creepy as that may sound. Your point is well taken Kramer in that those who do so justify it in some manner...at least attempt to.
This is where the men are truly seperated from the boys ... the spiritual from the non-spiritual or less evolved. Your observation is well made regarding how so many justify their immoral decisions. Now many do not even think along these lines but just react as they have been conditioned to ... even following the Judas goat into all manner of acts.
Yod is truly inspirational in this respect ... he thinks and functions on a higher level and still has great compassion, patience, Honour and Determination. This comes from actually glimpsing the Truth from time to time and applying it directly to one's life. I admire him greatly for this and support him Spiritually above all else.
You are unique in your own way as well I feel. I would never accuse you of being "brainwashed" even through clumsy innuendo. Nor do I consider myself the grand judge of others moralities ... I believe that that position is already taken. I am busy enough in my own Lair with these matters in respect to a more personal nature. I speak what i believe and if it seems to me to be a Truth then I put it forth as such.
Time is short now and we must all put our Lairs or houses in order, making ready for the coming Hell. Hopefully we all will be able to look across the fire and see the faces of some who are noble, are friends not enemies and who Love what we Love. Comrades, Kinsmen ...Compatriots.
Ta Live Well Die Well
VinnyViolin wrote:JCP61 wrote:well,
it wouldn't be wise to loan money to people about to be melted.
http://youtu.be/R5_9Gi7w19Y
Oh that's nice, but not so much as the Tsar Bomba ... this link seems much more interesting though .... http://youtu.be/_bB9_hsETP4
this is of course, complete crap
VinnyViolin wrote:JCP61 wrote:well,
it wouldn't be wise to loan money to people about to be melted.
http://youtu.be/R5_9Gi7w19Y
Oh that's nice, but not so much as the Tsar Bomba ... this link seems much more interesting though .... http://youtu.be/_bB9_hsETP4
# 1 it is only a presupposed myth that the Nagasaki bomb ended the war,
it of course did not shake the military's resolve to continue the fight, everyone knows that.
# 2 defeats never shakes the resolve of a decent military organization.
# 3 to suppose that a nuke could not win decidedly, a war of propaganda would be a foolish assumption.
it was very decisive in japan.
# 4 islam has no central military authority to issue a decree of surrender.
# 5 public support is the back bone of independent irregular forces, and that support can be easily undercut with extremely high causality rates in in close proximity.
especially when accompanied by good propaganda.
JCP61 wrote:VinnyViolin wrote:JCP61 wrote:well,
it wouldn't be wise to loan money to people about to be melted.
http://youtu.be/R5_9Gi7w19Y
Oh that's nice, but not so much as the Tsar Bomba ... this link seems much more interesting though .... http://youtu.be/_bB9_hsETP4
# 1 it is only a presupposed myth that the Nagasaki bomb ended the war,
it of course did not shake the military's resolve to continue the fight, everyone knows that.
# 2 defeats never shakes the resolve of a decent military organization.
# 3 to suppose that a nuke could not win decidedly, a war of propaganda would be a foolish assumption.
it was very decisive in japan.
# 4 islam has no central military authority to issue a decree of surrender.
# 5 public support is the back bone of independent irregular forces, and that support can be easily undercut with extremely high causality rates in in close proximity.
especially when accompanied by good propaganda.
Maybe you can explain more why you include #4?
If you are actually suggesting that we drop on A-Bomb on Egypt/Muslims in response to this, to terrorize the entire population, guilty or not, into fearing us ... then I think you would be as dismal an example of humanity as the very worst of Islamic right-wing fundamentalist terrorist or Norwegian psycho killer.
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the theme of your posted vid was that killing populations would not procure a surrender, that until you brought the military authority to heel, no actions were really effective.
this would assume you had a military class to treat with.
the empire is the empire,
and you're a part of it whether you admit it or not.
ask your muslim friends, they will tell you who you are;
if your confused about your role in all this,
they certainly aren't.
this would assume you had a military class to treat with.
the empire is the empire,
and you're a part of it whether you admit it or not.
ask your muslim friends, they will tell you who you are;
if your confused about your role in all this,
they certainly aren't.
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