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the 911 hijackers were Muslims truth and today looks like more Muslims tore our flag to shreds in Egypt at the U.S. Embassy..

anybody up for another Crusade?

how do you take the radical thinking out of the small minority of Muslims who wish Americans as well as most Europeans harm? do you think not giving Israel back to the Palestinians is the only thing that keeps the small minority of Muslims dangerous to innocent folks? or is it more Biblical than that? something in the Bible mentions the cruelty or wildness of the Muslims does it not? something about Hagar and Ishmael and stuff?...were not the Assyrians the forerunners of the modern Arab Muslim?

I get your point... Mohammad did his fair share of slaughtering infidels too..

Ancient Jews describe Ancient Muslims as creul and wild? Some things never change...

Funny thing is... They both came from the same line
of ancestry

Ancient Jews describe Ancient Muslims as creul and wild? Some things never change...

Funny thing is... They both came from the same line
of ancestry

yes, on the father's side, but not on the mother's side..

I did not think David killing in war time was considered slaughtering or murder even? but albeit a necessity.. on the other hand we have slaughter of innocent people who do not conform to the prophet's doctrine

...There is really only ever on Truth . There are many ideas and versions of speculation regarding 9/11 but there is only one Truth. I certainly do not know it and I believe neither does anyone here on the Forum but we all agree it was a tragic and uneccesary loss of life. Personally I believe it was a massive Sacrifice but ....

Ta

It's doubtful that you ever existed at all

...There is really only ever on Truth . There are many ideas and versions of speculation regarding 9/11 but there is only one Truth. I certainly do not know it and I believe neither does anyone here on the Forum but we all agree it was a tragic and uneccesary loss of life. Personally I believe it was a massive Sacrifice but ....

Ta

I believe a lot of things about 9/11, but I based my opinions all on 'known' facts.

I believe our leaders "let" it happen, full well knowing it was going to happen. There were security briefings, warnings from the clinton administration, and a pilot school where instructors reported directly to the FBI about middle eastern men taking lessons to fly and skipping the landing coursework. The signs were all there, and were ignored. I believe it was not out of any disbelief or cockiness that it couldn't happen, rather I believe they full well knew if it were allowed to happen, that they could takeover the country and our freedoms in the name of revenge. They could finally go back to iraq. It's pretty obvious that it was their plan all along- afghanistan was just a stepping stone. They had zero real interest in actually killing bin laden, as was obvious by the efforts, and the obvious flaw of telling the media weeks in advance that we were coming to get him.. giving him an incredible window of time to disappear.

The 9-11 commission was also extremely suspect in that they left out over 100 important facts and incidents in their evidence and reports; and then drew conclusions based on the incomplete data. It no wonder their conclusions reeked of "cover-up".

As far as "truthers" go.. I dunno, many of them are just spouting conspiracies based on unverified facts and lots of opinions of supposed specialists in everythign from plumbers to engineers, much of it not verified or even verifyable, or highly contradicted among different experts. It sucks that industry experts can't agree on much of it, as the rest of us are just left scratching our heads.

...There is really only ever on Truth . There are many ideas and versions of speculation regarding 9/11 but there is only one Truth. I certainly do not know it and I believe neither does anyone here on the Forum but we all agree it was a tragic and uneccesary loss of life. Personally I believe it was a massive Sacrifice but ....

Ta

I believe a lot of things about 9/11, but I based my opinions all on 'known' facts.

I believe our leaders "let" it happen, full well knowing it was going to happen. There were security briefings, warnings from the clinton administration, and a pilot school where instructors reported directly to the FBI about middle eastern men taking lessons to fly and skipping the landing coursework. The signs were all there, and were ignored. I believe it was not out of any disbelief or cockiness that it couldn't happen, rather I believe they full well knew if it were allowed to happen, that they could takeover the country and our freedoms in the name of revenge. They could finally go back to iraq. It's pretty obvious that it was their plan all along- afghanistan was just a stepping stone. They had zero real interest in actually killing bin laden, as was obvious by the efforts, and the obvious flaw of telling the media weeks in advance that we were coming to get him.. giving him an incredible window of time to disappear.

The 9-11 commission was also extremely suspect in that they left out over 100 important facts and incidents in their evidence and reports; and then drew conclusions based on the incomplete data. It no wonder their conclusions reeked of "cover-up".

As far as "truthers" go.. I dunno, many of them are just spouting conspiracies based on unverified facts and lots of opinions of supposed specialists in everythign from plumbers to engineers, much of it not verified or even verifyable, or highly contradicted among different experts. It sucks that industry experts can't agree on much of it, as the rest of us are just left scratching our heads.

Kramer I am trying to be nice and with all due respect you are a smart guy! You most definately live in a different reality than I do!
From this post I am getting the impression you think 9/11 is all Bush's fault and Obama is responsible for killing Bin Laden. Please clarify if I am putting words in your mouth or reading something into your meaning that you did NOT intend?