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I picked up a 38 Cal when I was but 9... I remember distinctly, the overwhelming feeling of "nothing" inside of me, when i did that. I was aware of the safety precautions, and knew to never point the gun at people, and that I should always treat the gun as though it was loaded.

I had/have no desire to shoot people or animals with it. I don't believe in killing. And I don't credit the gun for that. Like wise, I don't credit the gun for people who do like killing.

Show me any man with a pension to dig a hole in the earth and I'll show you a man who figured out that a shovel would help him get his desire fulfilled.

So, the question remains...What compels that man to want to dig the hole? Is it the shovel? The last time I bough a shovel, I still had no desire to actually dig the hole.

The way I see it, Normal Kids are born with a relatively peaceful and benign disposition about humanity... But some of them, get twisted up along the way. Fix what twisting them up along the way and the gun probelm is solved. Till then, we need the guns.

I think a big part of the issue is that guns make it that much easier, too easy, for twisted people to kill. it's bad enough when someone goes on a rampage with a pistol with 17 in the clip, but when they roll in with several assault rifles, hundreds of rounds of ammo, all semi-auto.. that's when they call it a massacre instead of a shooting.

As far as kids getting twisted.. I think there's a great debate there- I've know kids who were brought up as peaceful and prosperous who were just outright bad kids. They were genetically disposed to being mean, bullies, pulling wings off flies, whatever. You know the type. Sadly, in america, that makes you the perfect candidate for the police academy lol; but my take is some people are just born mean, others grown to be mean.

Ban guns and people will still kill, nobody is doubting it, but imagine someone going into a workplace with a sword or knife and trying to 'massacre' as many people as possible. It's almost comical to imagine. I can use a chair or any heavy object to fend off a guy with a knife.. not so much with a gun.

I can't honestly buy into the argument that armed citizens matter when it comes to the government needing to fear the people. Take 10,000 armed citizens attempting to stand up in revolution. Get them all together, and wait for the unmanned drone strike. Within minutes, you will have 10,000 dead citizens. The time that the well-armed citizenry had any real power ended sometime around 1900. If anything, revolution will come to this country in the very exact form of terrorism that we are fighting abroad. Many innocents will die as a result, and it will be largely unsuccessful IMO, just because our government has been practicing against that very thing in other countries for 30+ years. They know exactly what the score is.

"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" It doesn't matter if they use an AK47 or a revolver or a Machete' just ask the drug guy in that video! They are gonna get their guns or weapons to do their deeds. You can't stop a crazy man! I don't understand why folks can't get something SO SIMPLE!

Evidently those who wish all legal guns to disappear in order for the lawless to be the only ones who have them never consider that kids used to kill each other with home made zip guns. It is easy to make one from just a few components from any hardware store. A bullet from one of them will kill you just as fast as one fired from an AK47.

Get real anti gun folks. People will be killing other people with whatever is at hand even if you ban guns, knives, forks or whatever. After all, they still stone people to death and others kill people with slings, rocks, spears and home made arrows. Take away all the automatic weapons and people will throw easily constructed fire bombs or easily concealed explosive devices into crowded rooms. It will only make death a bit more painful.

Guns don't kill people kill people, people kill people. Doesn't that ever sink in?

Sunday evening at 11pm a man had an argument with his ex-wife, she called 911, police arrived and he began firing on them, killing one police officer. This all happened within minutes. Are you trying to tell me that if he did not have guns that officer would still be dead? Or maybe he would have thrown "easily constructed fire bombs"? Only an idiot would believe this. AGAIN, FOR THE 100TH TIME, WE DON'T WANT YOUR HUNTING RIFLES OR SHOTGUNS. Semi-automatic pistols and rifles have no business being in the hands of the average citizen. Keep your pathetic cliches about "guns don't kill people", anyone with half a brain knows that guns MAKE IT EASIER TO KILL PEOPLE.

Sunday evening at 11pm a man had an argument with his ex-wife, she called 911, police arrived and he began firing on them, killing one police officer. This all happened within minutes. Are you trying to tell me that if he did not have guns that officer would still be dead? Or maybe he would have thrown "easily constructed fire bombs"? Only an idiot would believe this. AGAIN, FOR THE 100TH TIME, WE DON'T WANT YOUR HUNTING RIFLES OR SHOTGUNS. Semi-automatic pistols and rifles have no business being in the hands of the average citizen. Keep your pathetic cliches about "guns don't kill people", anyone with half a brain knows that guns MAKE IT EASIER TO KILL PEOPLE.

11 years ago today a bunch of American hating MUSLIMS boarded planes on the morning of 9/11/01 with nothing more than knive's and deception. They proceeded to kill more than 3000 of your FELLOW AMERICANS! Face it JIMMY you are STUCK with our AK's, shotguns, semi auto handguns. Any one with a half a brain knows you can kill 3000 people with nothing more than a knife! Lets keep it civil Jimmy Please!

"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" It doesn't matter if they use an AK47 or a revolver or a Machete' just ask the drug guy in that video! They are gonna get their guns or weapons to do their deeds. You can't stop a crazy man! I don't understand why folks can't get something SO SIMPLE!

Look at the UK- Guns are illegal. Gun deaths per capita vs. the USA? Take a guess.

I'm simply following a pattern of logic, not being intentionally argumentative- Like I said, I'm on the fence in the argument, maybe I will explain why later, but it's irrelevant to the discussion.

The main point I'm making here is much of a 'devil's advocate' approach, as it's pretty obvious that the majority here are pro-gun, so here's my point with some more detail.

"so simple". You ever wonder, if we can get our politics under control, achieve some sort of balance internally, and eventually externally- whether it's 10 years, 100 years, or even 500 years down the road, does anyone believe that someday the world will find a way to live in peace and prosperity? Call it Utopia, or just life on earth as best we can make it-

But when that day comes, do you really think an armed populace is going to be part of the equation? I would think at best, guns would be available via public armories, available to citizens for target practice, hunting, etc.. but not just for the sake of being armed. In a society that's peaceful, it shouldn't be necessary. If everyone is prosperous, nobody will be looking to rob you or break into your home. The only crimes I see in such a future would be 'human crimes', such as crimes of passion, anger, etc..

Which are exactly the types of circumstances you don't want a person to possess a firearm, or any weapon of consequence, but given the discussion about the ease of killing with guns, my point stands- Why would anyone need a gun?

It seems to me that the only reason to have guns outside of what I've mentioned above is "self defense". Well, in this utopian future would all (hopefully) want to achieve, violent criminals shouldn't exist, or at least won't have access to firearms, therefore you won't need firearms to defend yourself from them.

I've had this argument before on a political forum and most of the pro-gun folks just lamented me with insults, and I believe they did bring my mother into the insult-fest, but none gave a well-thought-out and logical response to the ideals that someday, we are going to need to rid ourselves of our violent natures and also our reaction to those who cannot rid themselves (criminals) of their natures.

So why not start now? It seems the UK started decades ago, and they have very little gun crime as a result. Look at their recent history of mass shootings compared to ours. All the arguments in the world won't change those facts.

"So simple" most definitely applies to more than just one point of view.

Those people died because we were too complacent about terrorism, arrogantly believing such a thing could never happen here. Systems have since been implemented to make sure it never happens again, and so far it's working. This has nothing to do with domestic violence so please try to stay focused on the issue. We may not be able to take away all of the semi-automatic weapons but we can stop the sales of the ammo. Face it I'm not stuck with anything I don't want.

Those people died because we were too complacent about terrorism, arrogantly believing such a thing could never happen here. Systems have since been implemented to make sure it never happens again, and so far it's working. This has nothing to do with domestic violence so please try to stay focused on the issue. We may not be able to take away all of the semi-automatic weapons but we can stop the sales of the ammo. Face it I'm not stuck with anything I don't want.

Did you read a thread I posted a month or so ago "have you ever done anything extrordinary" I think that was the title! Jimmy, MY GUN SAVED AT LEAST ONE MANS LIFE AND POSSIBLY 2 MENS LIVE'S! Two black men were going at it with knive's I went out with my pistol and was able to diffuse the situation! I KNOW FOR A FACT GUNS SAVE LIVE'S! Your liberal views in theory are great! In practicle use they WON'T WORK because people are hateful and desperation turns our fellow man into ANIMALS! Think about it. What would you do if you went to your faucet turned the valve and no water came out? What would you do if a CME of massive proportions hit the earth and there was no food or water in YOUR city? If you didn't have a gun you would be wishing you did because your neighbor is about to kick your door in and come shoot you with his gun and TAKE your food and water!

Dude you need to write some sci-fi. Oh wait you just did. How in the hell have I lived so long in the most dangerous city in the country with no guns? I must mind my own business and not get involved in other people's fights lol. You're lucky one of them (or one of their buddies you didn't see) didn't pull out a gun and shoot you.

...Slacker ... as usual your logic is indisputable. One need only look at the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Amendments, as well as read what the Founding Father's had to say about the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS and the MILITIA and THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CITIZENS TO BE READY AND ABLE TO REMOVE ANY TREASONOUS TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT that is not doing it' sworn job... to see that any fluff from the frightened and well groomed "livestock" about only taking your assault weapons and not your hunting rifles is merely part of the M.O. (Overton Window) of the aforementioned "government". They have Assault rifles so it is important that the citizens have them ... they do in Switzerland. Perhaps then the real problem lies in having let a despotic and greedy "government" sell out the country to the Great Evil that has plagued Mankind from the beginning ?

It is all too obvious by now that the so-called "government" fully intends to take ALL firearms from the US Citizenry. I believe that by now anyone who does not understand this is living in denial or a fantasy or perhaps both. It is now accepted practice it seems for the government/police to lie blatantly then do what they wish which most of the time is flagrantly against the Laws of the land and then get away literally with murder, theft and all manner of depraved activities as they hide cowardly behind the cloak of their "office" or the now ridiculous excuse of "Terrorism" or "Matter of National Security".

It is absolutely shameful and appalling the number of Cowards and Perverts that pepper all forms of civil service from the local level to the "highest" office in the land. The United States of America is the last and the only country in the ENYIRE WORLD now at this moment whose citizens are armed well enough to oust those government, political, medical, scientific and civil criminals who fail to live by the Oaths and Vows they have taken and this includes most of all the members of the Armed Forces and Police. The newly "created" ballon organizations like "HomeLand Security" and "TSA" are already classified as criminals in most cases by the activities that they engage in now which are in direct violation of the Laws and Constitution of the USA.

What is most hideous is that now one's free speech is a mirage and any who disagree or speak out against those who undermine humanity are now in "primary school " type fashion deemed as sick, disturbed and dangerous....The Police have investigated themselves and found no wrong doing ??? Groundless arrests and court cases are becoming more commonplace ... government spying on the internet, street and security cameras, drones and other Gestapo/Stasi methods including satellite and military applications (Police State) are all happenning and growing like cancers all around us. PROTECTION ? You have to be joking. A Luger in your hand is better. Why so many hollow point bullets which are outlawed in wars and terrible for target practice and meant only for use on the common citizen of the USA not any mythical "Terrorists" WHY? WHY? WHY? What cowardly lying pathetic justifications can be "invented" to justify all this ? It is not "protection" It is not "patriotic" It is not in accordance with Oath or Duty and it is not even done in the full light of the public domain but is perpetrated in the darkness of secrecy, misrepresentation and hidden agendas.

We are all in deep deep danger and it has now become much worse than it is probably possible to concieve. Any who can not understand, comprehend or even suspect this now declare their guilt by denial and are themselves becoming part of the hideous Evil that infects this planet and humanity. But this all is just the out of touch and rambling diatribe of a "Vampiric Artist/Musician Creator" who seems to have nothing better to do and is.....somehow...profiting...by...all...this...Ta

WTF??? I just love deranged, conspiracy theory nuts and their incoherent ramblings. Do go on.

Dude you need to write some sci-fi. Oh wait you just did. How in the hell have I lived so long in the most dangerous city in the country with no guns? I must mind my own business and not get involved in other people's fights lol. You're lucky one of them (or one of their buddies you didn't see) didn't pull out a gun and shoot you.

Oh I see, your the kind that drives by a wreck with people hurt and does NOTHING, but come on here and ask people THAT BELIEVE in god to pray!

Not me buddy, I don't care whether you believe me or not That is a TRUE story. You see us lowly uneducated folks have something apparently YOU lack! If I see someone in need of help, I help.

You chastise me for doing something that stopped a KILLING and because I used a gun, for the sake of winning an argument you insult me! This is the last of THIS debate! I am pulling out to spare the other good folks the heartache of listening to this garbage!

"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" It doesn't matter if they use an AK47 or a revolver or a Machete' just ask the drug guy in that video! They are gonna get their guns or weapons to do their deeds. You can't stop a crazy man! I don't understand why folks can't get something SO SIMPLE!

Look at the UK- Guns are illegal. Gun deaths per capita vs. the USA? Take a guess.

I'm simply following a pattern of logic, not being intentionally argumentative- Like I said, I'm on the fence in the argument, maybe I will explain why later, but it's irrelevant to the discussion.

The main point I'm making here is much of a 'devil's advocate' approach, as it's pretty obvious that the majority here are pro-gun, so here's my point with some more detail.

"so simple". You ever wonder, if we can get our politics under control, achieve some sort of balance internally, and eventually externally- whether it's 10 years, 100 years, or even 500 years down the road, does anyone believe that someday the world will find a way to live in peace and prosperity? Call it Utopia, or just life on earth as best we can make it-

But when that day comes, do you really think an armed populace is going to be part of the equation? I would think at best, guns would be available via public armories, available to citizens for target practice, hunting, etc.. but not just for the sake of being armed. In a society that's peaceful, it shouldn't be necessary. If everyone is prosperous, nobody will be looking to rob you or break into your home. The only crimes I see in such a future would be 'human crimes', such as crimes of passion, anger, etc..

Which are exactly the types of circumstances you don't want a person to possess a firearm, or any weapon of consequence, but given the discussion about the ease of killing with guns, my point stands- Why would anyone need a gun?

It seems to me that the only reason to have guns outside of what I've mentioned above is "self defense". Well, in this utopian future would all (hopefully) want to achieve, violent criminals shouldn't exist, or at least won't have access to firearms, therefore you won't need firearms to defend yourself from them.

I've had this argument before on a political forum and most of the pro-gun folks just lamented me with insults, and I believe they did bring my mother into the insult-fest, but none gave a well-thought-out and logical response to the ideals that someday, we are going to need to rid ourselves of our violent natures and also our reaction to those who cannot rid themselves (criminals) of their natures.

So why not start now? It seems the UK started decades ago, and they have very little gun crime as a result. Look at their recent history of mass shootings compared to ours. All the arguments in the world won't change those facts.

"So simple" most definitely applies to more than just one point of view.

Kramer, this little tidbit will shoot your comparison FULL OF HOLES!

http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2007/01/cr ... in-us.html

Kramer, this little tidbit will shoot your comparison FULL OF HOLES!

http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2007/01/cr ... in-us.html

Perhaps you should use references that are not pro-gun blogs.

It's also worth mentioning that the author mixes in ALL crime, and whimsically mixes in both non-violent and violent crimes and both with and without guns into his statistics to make his points. It's intellectually dishonest on the best day.

Here's an independent voter site, which sticks strictly to firearm-related international statistics. The stats are far more accurate to firearms specifically.

http://ivn.us/2012/07/25/gun-control-an ... omparison/

Kramer, this little tidbit will shoot your comparison FULL OF HOLES!

http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2007/01/cr ... in-us.html

Perhaps you should use references that are not pro-gun blogs.

It's also worth mentioning that the author mixes in ALL crime, and whimsically mixes in both non-violent and violent crimes and both with and without guns into his statistics to make his points. It's intellectually dishonest on the best day.

Here's an independent voter site, which sticks strictly to firearm-related international statistics. The stats are far more accurate to firearms specifically.

http://ivn.us/2012/07/25/gun-control-an ... omparison/

What took you so long? Just kidding! You'll have the last word I am outta this here.

Back on topic!

http://blog.chron.com/narcoconfidential ... k-escapee/

http://blog.chron.com/narcoconfidential ... e-on-bail/

2 cases in one paper in one day?