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#185159 by Planetguy
Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:20 pm
yod wrote:The only "solutions" being offered by the Dumbacrats is more of the same things that got us here in the first place. It's insane!


sad...i know you actually believe this to be the god's honest truth.

so let's keep things real simple (i mean since like all dems, i'm dumb, stupid, naive, brainwashed, and all that)......explain to me how the dems wanting to DO AWAY with tax breaks for the super wealthy is "more of the same".

and tell me how the conservatives wanting to keep them in place isn't MORE OF THE SAME?

and if you can...don't use any big words if you don't have to either....ya know, cos of us dems lack of intelligence and all that.

and please, please include some more negative adjectives to describe folks that see it differently than you do. :wink:

#185177 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:03 pm
Planetguy wrote:
yod wrote:The only "solutions" being offered by the Dumbacrats is more of the same things that got us here in the first place. It's insane!


sad...i know you actually believe this to be the god's honest truth.

so let's keep things real simple (i mean since like all dems, i'm dumb, stupid, naive, brainwashed, and all that)......explain to me how the dems wanting to DO AWAY with tax breaks for the super wealthy is "more of the same".

and tell me how the conservatives wanting to keep them in place isn't MORE OF THE SAME?

and if you can...don't use any big words if you don't have to either....ya know, cos of us dems lack of intelligence and all that.

and please, please include some more negative adjectives to describe folks that see it differently than you do. :wink:


Boy oh boy,,, Not only are you extremely defensive about your position, but you have also become a Tax expert spewing all the same rhetoric.

You are just proving you understand nothing that some very conservative people have been saying for years. The tax code has to be greatly simplified. Unfortunately that would make it much more difficult to raise taxes in a way that people couldn't see. That would include the poor as well as the wealthy.

If every one started to see the waste and corruption that comes from wasted taxes,,, there would be fighting in the street.

Thanks YOD,,, For standing up to this person that believes stealing is ok!!!!

#185217 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:08 am
Planetguy wrote:
yod wrote:The only "solutions" being offered by the Dumbacrats is more of the same things that got us here in the first place. It's insane!


sad...i know you actually believe this to be the god's honest truth.

so let's keep things real simple (i mean since like all dems, i'm dumb, stupid, naive, brainwashed, and all that)......explain to me how the dems wanting to DO AWAY with tax breaks for the super wealthy is "more of the same".

and tell me how the conservatives wanting to keep them in place isn't MORE OF THE SAME?

and if you can...don't use any big words if you don't have to either....ya know, cos of us dems lack of intelligence and all that.

and please, please include some more negative adjectives to describe folks that see it differently than you do. :wink:




I'll try to explain it again for you.

This is not the Democrat Party of your father. This is a bastardized version that looks somewhat familiar on the outside but is pure leftist fascism on the inside.

What you are hearing from the "chicago" party is the same rhetoric that every tyrant and dictator of the last century has used. It's an ancient strategy going all the way back to Nimrod.

Once they convince you that you are a victim of (fill in blank), then they can turn you into a perpetrator of their agenda...and do whatever they want.

There is an old saying that goes "Whoever angers you, controls you". It is an ancient ploy of dictators to divide people and get them fighting each other; then they are easily conquered.

If things get bad enough people will plea for security and civil order at any cost and a dictator walks in as the "new boss".

This has never happened in America so we largely can't see it's happening now. George Soros has used this tactic in several nations already. The Occupy Wall Street movement is financed by him and began in a NYC park owned by him. Do you really think that this mega-billionaire is against the 1%?

Throughout world history this tactic has always started with pitting a larger group against a smaller group. Obama has done nothing but divide us with race and class warfare. Have you not noticed that it's worse that it has ever been? People can't talk in a civil manner anymore without getting shouted down by insults.

Class warfare is directed at the rich because it is so easy to stir up envy against them, and they are always the smaller group. In Europe, the link is then made that so many of the bankers and prosperous businessmen are Jews. Nevermind that most jews aren't rich; that doesn't fit the narrative.

This tactic is also what holds every dictator in the middle east in power. They blame the jews (who supposedly control banks, media, business, the USA, etc) and turn arabs into victims of the jews. Frankly it a fat lie that keeps tyrannical dictators from having to admit their own failure, and it gives the masses someone to blame for their poverty. Their anger is then directed away from the real problem and Jews (or in our current case "the rich") become a scapegoat.

Have you not noticed that Obama has failed to deliver on even one of his lofty campaign promises of 2008? Now he promises to turn the tides of the sea backwards...and you believe it? Really?

This tactic is EXACTLY what Obama and this new version of the Democrat Party is doing. It's a page right out of Saul Alinksky's "Rules for Radicals". If you want to understand what is going on in the Democrat party, just read that book. Clinton and Obama are both admittedly disciples of Alinsky's methods.

Did you notice that they never offer specifics for what they want to do? They use vague language (hope, change, forward, etc) so your imagination can hear something they didn't say. They use generalities designed to appeal to your envy.

They use ridicule and derisive humor against anyone pointing out their lies to redirect your vision. They get you looking at someone else as the problem so you don't notice. If Romney responds to Obama's ridicule, it makes him look defensive...if he doesn't respond it makes him look guilty.

But apart from all of that....how does someone else getting fleeced by the government help you? Do you honestly think money taken from the rich would ever go to you?? Only the politicians and their political allies will get it.

G.E. (owner of NBC, MSNBC) was Obama's biggest contributor. They were also the biggest recipient of "stimulus" money and paid ZERO in taxes. Have you heard a single Democrat mention that?

It is a simple fact that if you taxed every person in this country who makes more than $250,000 at 100% of their income, it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket for a $16,000,000,000 TRILLION DEFICIT. And you wouldn't be able to tax them again either.

This is obvious for anyone who is aware of how dictators work. THEY, every single damn one of those liars, know that the money is in the middle class. YOU are their target but they know better than to tell the truth

So they convince you that they are looking out for you...oh yes, they are on YOUR side....so you'll give them the power to rip all of us off legally.

I'm far from rich and they are taxing me to death. I once had a locksmithing business but I shut it down because I was working to pay taxes, tolls, fees, assessments, and other deceptive words to hide the fact they are TAXES! Not to mention accountants and CPAs because who can figure out the IRS system? 6 people lost employment because I'm not going to work my ass off just to give it to the government.

Don't be a naive tool. If it comes from a politicians lips, then it's a lie. They don't give a rip about you in the least.

We don't have a revenue problem in America, we have a spending problem. Politicians are running out of our money and we are all going into trillions of debt. They will tell you whatever you need to hear in order to suck the rest of your blood out

Don't let them.

#185222 by PaperDog
Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:41 am
Yod wrote:This is not the Democrat Party of your father. This is a bastardized version that looks somewhat familiar on the outside but is pure leftist fascism on the inside.


EXACTLY... There is no such thing as a democrat anymore. My Family was staunch democrat. Back then , they were too proud to allow the prez to "bailout" anybody...They worked their asses off and they did not believe in accepting hand outs..

Real democrats don't exist anymore... Instead, now we got a bunch of self centered jerks, who pontificate and wax philosophically over bullshit... Their entire theme in life is centered on what their country can do for them (Kennedy is rolling over in his grave now) ... They live eat and breath like 2nd class citizens and they actually think that makes them avant garde somehow... They are the reason Tofu exists

:oops: :P :P :P :lol:

#185226 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:10 am
YOD, thank you for wasting all that time laying down the truth and talking to the wall of AGGRESSION. It seems it doesn't matter matter what the truth is. President Obama has proven that completely. Lies are a way of life and real men are ridiculed for speaking the truth.
Thanks for trying.
DOG, You too.

The time has come to just stfu, and wait. It will be what it will be.

Live Free or Die.

#185236 by DainNobody
Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:30 pm
Planetguy wrote:
yod wrote:The only "solutions" being offered by the Dumbacrats is more of the same things that got us here in the first place. It's insane!


sad...i know you actually believe this to be the god's honest truth.

so let's keep things real simple (i mean since like all dems, i'm dumb, stupid, naive, brainwashed, and all that)......explain to me how the dems wanting to DO AWAY with tax breaks for the super wealthy is "more of the same".

and tell me how the conservatives wanting to keep them in place isn't MORE OF THE SAME?

and if you can...don't use any big words if you don't have to either....ya know, cos of us dems lack of intelligence and all that.

and please, please include some more negative adjectives to describe folks that see it differently than you do. :wink:
President Clinton actually got the fed deficit to ZERO, and it was George Bush A Repukelican that gutted the balanced budget by cutting taxes for the ultra rich and screwing around with Medicare.. thank the Repukelicans for causing the stock market crash in 2008 ..poor Obama inherited the problems caused by Republican party sponsored DE-REGULATION and bank bailouts NOT the Democrats

#185239 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:40 pm
Thats just pure bull. You can spew that crap but that is not where the real problems came from.

I am not even going to try and explain it to some one as brainwashed as you.

I'll let someone else tell you what is the truth. You won't listen. You still believe the 4th of July is a about cookouts and fireworks.

#185240 by PaperDog
Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:42 pm
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:
Planetguy wrote:
yod wrote:The only "solutions" being offered by the Dumbacrats is more of the same things that got us here in the first place. It's insane!


sad...i know you actually believe this to be the god's honest truth.

so let's keep things real simple (i mean since like all dems, i'm dumb, stupid, naive, brainwashed, and all that)......explain to me how the dems wanting to DO AWAY with tax breaks for the super wealthy is "more of the same".

and tell me how the conservatives wanting to keep them in place isn't MORE OF THE SAME?

and if you can...don't use any big words if you don't have to either....ya know, cos of us dems lack of intelligence and all that.

and please, please include some more negative adjectives to describe folks that see it differently than you do. :wink:
President Clinton actually got the fed deficit to ZERO, and it was George Bush A Repukelican that gutted the balanced budget by cutting taxes for the ultra rich and screwing around with Medicare.. thank the Repukelicans for causing the stock market crash in 2008 ..poor Obama inherited the problems caused by Republican party sponsored DE-REGULATION and bank bailouts NOT the Democrats


President Clinton took the surplus that taxpayers had fed their money into and turned all that money over to the start the war in Kosovo... Part of that money went to train Albanian "Terrorist" groups (Whom the Serbs were killing before it was 'cool " to kill terrorists.) . Clinton did Exactly what Bush did later, except that there was more relevance to our national interest to invade Iraq (Oil wise ) than there was to support Albanian's land theft of Kosovo. Bush inherited an empty treasury so to speak. Meanwhile Al Gore was primping in a mirror in some wing of the white house, looking for his best side to use for the acceptance speech of his "Nobel Peace Prize" (for having invented the "innernet")
Like I said, there are no real democrats anymore, not since the death of Kennedy...

#185244 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:54 pm
Sorry I forgot to mention that enough tax dollars were coming in during Clintons presidency that it covered the expenses of the federal government.

Gas was only a buck . The economy was still suffering the wealth that Reagan allowed us to achieve. (even after Bush 1 killed the credit card exemption, and being the liberal in sheeps clothing raised taxes.)

We saw this all before with President Wilson. I love it when a democrat takes credit a natural economic cycle and gives credence to allow government reason to allow government to take control.

Funny that under this president,,,, there has never been a budget, even though the first 2 years he had complete control of the Senate and the House.

I wish you would stop writing such stupid stuff. I thought you were smarter than that. Maybe that was just another LIE.

#185264 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:17 pm
DUH!

#185292 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:38 pm
Double DUH :!:

#185347 by MikeTalbot
Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:48 am
For goodness sakes people. Democracy is terrible! The founders knew it and created a constitutional republic. As Ben Franklin said, "...If you can keep it..." We failed. Sadly. We are not the men our fathers were.

In a democracy, those minorities everybody pretends to love so much could by exiled or killed by a vote of 51 percent! in a democracy 51 percent of the people could vote to take away everything the other 49 percent have!

it's about rule of law. We must protect the rights of minorities - such as libertarians for instance. The dems and repubs HATE minorities - such as those who hate big govt.

If you want to be free - reject democracy. Push for rule of law.

Talbot

#185349 by VinnyViolin
Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:42 am
MikeTalbot wrote:For goodness sakes people. Democracy is terrible! The founders knew it and created a constitutional republic. As Ben Franklin said, "...If you can keep it..." We failed. Sadly. We are not the men our fathers were.

In a democracy, those minorities everybody pretends to love so much could by exiled or killed by a vote of 51 percent! in a democracy 51 percent of the people could vote to take away everything the other 49 percent have!

it's about rule of law. We must protect the rights of minorities - such as libertarians for instance. The dems and repubs HATE minorities - such as those who hate big govt.

If you want to be free - reject democracy. Push for rule of law.

Talbot


Who's law? 8)

#185352 by JCP61
Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:14 am
I suggest you read Livy, before you extoll the virtues of the rule of law,

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in many countries including this one,
slavery was once the law of the land. add to that;
the legal use of living space as industrial waste sites, the use of cocaine, sterilization of the mentally deficient, voting by white males only, voting by white male property owners only, the 60 hr work week and hundreds of other laws that democratic action displaced.

oh, and obamacare is currently the law of the land, like it or not.
personally I don't like it cause unlike most of you, I actually have to pay for it.
but it is the law so I will do as the law ascribes, I suggest you do the same.

#185355 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:41 am
That was a really stupid comment. Everyone has to pay in a socialist system, not just you. We all pay in hidden ways and in consequences that go way beyond your simple view.
The very people that you claim to help the most are the ones that get helped the least.
What name are you going to call me today????

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