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agree with you haley.. if you are on any business level above a sole proprietor it is a paperwork nightmare.. if you can't hire labor under the table then it's a nightmare.. S-Corporations hard paperwork too.. excise taxes.. bad dabdv

Perspective,

What about our own companies of children who drive us crazy, cost us money,
take and take and we give and give. We buy them an education, a car,
food and clothes for 25% + of their life. We also want to leave them everything when we're dead.

If you lived in the Appalachian Region of America wouldn't you say the same
things about someone who was given all that.[/b]

Perspective,

What about our own companies of children who drive us crazy, cost us money,
take and take and we give and give. We buy them an education, a car,
food and clothes for 25% + of their life. We also want to leave them everything when we're dead.

If you lived in the Appalachian Region of America wouldn't you say the same
things about someone who was given all that.[/b]

The wife and I are doing okay combined income. When we become empty nesters excluding the food we buy. 17,19,20 year old's smart phones, auto ins. rent for one in college, taking care of them cattle. I figure when we get the kids raised we will get a $2000.00 a month raise. I am serious!

I told the wife the other day "I am ready to start breaking plates" LOL!

you see what I meen then.

Actually, not all corporations are bad in my book. I find more greedy small businesses than big corporations. They're manned by militant assholes who act like they're dictating a small country rather than managing a company. They stiff their workers, they're cheap, and then they bitch about how expensive it is to run a company to justify it all. Well dickhead you're not doing me any favors, there's a bunch of other people who have companies and work for me. It also amazes me how many people just grab their genitals and start a company and do like zero research and have zero business sense, and these are the people I see get screwed.

And I know more greedy poor and middle-class people than rich people. While I do know the typical rich snob - usually a noveau riche idiot - I know some rich people who are very noble, generous, and humble people. They worked hard for where they are and they got what they deserve.

I work for a very well-to-do firm and have always worked for big corporations because they take care of me. I learned in the 80s where the most job security would be and where I could make the most, and I that's where I went and that's where I still am.

I don't envy rich people. You get what you get in this life. Some worked from the bottom up and sacrificed much, some got plain old lucky, and then there's those middle of the road folks that had a mixture of both.

As far as me thinking that this is going to be a fair country where this socialism everyone is afraid of will come into play. Not right now it won't. And I'm more afraid of the people talking about they want a revolution than what we already have. I listen to these people talk and I think to myself, I don't want this fools in power. They'd f**k everything up worse than what it is now.

Chaeya

Thats funny how we view corporations like they are just a machine or something, when they do have people running them.

Corporations are non-human legal fictions. They are mechanisms for making money for shareholders. According to good ol' Milton Friedman himself, they must by their very nature be amoral entities. People run corporations, yes, and each of those people may, as individual citizens, cast a vote and enjoy other basic human freedoms. But a corporation is no more a human than your car is. A corporation should not be allowed any influence in the democratic processes of the citizenry ... other than the votes of the individual citizens that run the corporation. Most large corporations are international and have no allegiance to any one country .. they go where the money is. Unfortunately for humanity, large corporations are almost to the point of demanding seats in the United Nations.

I think that it is a great tragedy that so many view corporations as people!

Thats funny how we view corporations like they are just a machine or something, when they do have people running them.

Corporations are non-human legal fictions. They are mechanisms for making money for shareholders. According to good ol' Milton Friedman himself, they must by their very nature be amoral entities. People run corporations, yes, and each of those people may, as individual citizens, cast a vote and enjoy other basic human freedoms. But a corporation is no more a human than your car is. A corporation should not be allowed any influence in the democratic processes of the citizenry ... other than the votes of the individual citizens that run the corporation. Most large corporations are international and have no allegiance to any one country .. they go where the money is. Unfortunately for humanity, large corporations are almost to the point of demanding seats in the United Nations.

I think that it is a great tragedy that so many view corporations as people!

I don't care how much they try to belittle you vinny, you always come up with sensible posts that are real and of substance.. you are truly an asset here on this board ..to me, you are TIER 100!!!

Very interesting comment Chaeya
Socialism has been tried many times in many other parts of the world. It has failed countless times, and often opened the doors to brutal dictators.
This is America and the underlying fundamental problem in this country is not about redistribution of wealth,,,, Americans share and give what they can all the time. Americans should be proud of all their sharing.

IT IS ABOUT CONTROL FROM A CENTRAL GOVERNMENT USURPING THE RECOGNIZED POWER OF THE INDIVIDUAL.
In America you don't have to work for a corporation,,,,, but there is no free ride.

If all of you want America to succeed as we did with the space program in the 60s,,,, The individual must be allowed to succeed to be able to support the government.

IT IS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

you got your dues paid up for the month GLENNY J.. let me message you! I'm gonna give you a peese of my mind!.. get out of this country, if all you got, is criticizing the Federal Government WHINER!!

Thats funny how we view corporations like they are just a machine or something, when they do have people running them.

Corporations are non-human legal fictions. They are mechanisms for making money for shareholders. According to good ol' Milton Friedman himself, they must by their very nature be amoral entities. People run corporations, yes, and each of those people may, as individual citizens, cast a vote and enjoy other basic human freedoms. But a corporation is no more a human than your car is. A corporation should not be allowed any influence in the democratic processes of the citizenry ... other than the votes of the individual citizens that run the corporation. Most large corporations are international and have no allegiance to any one country .. they go where the money is. Unfortunately for humanity, large corporations are almost to the point of demanding seats in the United Nations.

I think that it is a great tragedy that so many view corporations as people!

I don't care how much they try to belittle you vinny, you always come up with sensible posts that are real and of substance.. you are truly an asset here on this board ..to me, you are TIER 100!!!

Thanks Dane.
I admire the compassion for all humanity that you express in so many of your postings!

I might be working for the FBI ya know! lighten it up or I'll forward your vulgarity to the FCC and Barack for review! ..they cart you off to the asylum!.. maybe put you in Guantomino Bay with the other terrorists!..waterboard??/ you like?

GLENNY J you upset the system running yo mouth every chance you get, one day it bite you in azz, and nobody on the forum will harbor you! you be fugitive on run! lying about commies and Barack lying about people's goodness we all endowed with.. you been sniffing too many gas fumes and say outrageous things..! you not makin; many friends here!! relax

Vinny ,Dane, The corruption comes from the government.
Corporations being the enterprising legal entities only use this for success.

The problem is the corrupt political powers that only seek to tap into the wealth a corporation can create.

You guys have it so backwards with your socialistic ideals and working so hard to vote in wealthy politicians that maintain this status quo.

Politicians only "create jobs" when they hire another flunky payed with tax dollars. Corporations can only create jobs when they are creating real product that ultimately creates NEW WEALTH.

You guys have it so backwards, you are all FUUCKED UP!

I've mentioned this before,,, Be careful before some one explains like this,,,,I've got a gun,,, STOP STEALING!

Milton Friedman described corporations as inherently amoral, another bald headed guy with glasses, describes the bigger problem with uncontrolled corporations ...

"Fee-fie-fo-fum
I smell the blood of a Britishman
Be he alive or be he dead
I'll grind his bones To make my bread.

There is no dictionary word for an army of invisible giants, one thousand miles tall, with their arms interlinked, girding the planet Earth. Since there exists just such an invisible, abstract, legal-contrivance army of giants, we have invented the word GRUNCH as the group designation—"a grunch of giants." GR-UN-C-H, which stands for annual Gross Universe Cash Heist, pays annual dividends of over one trillion U.S. dollars.

GRUNCH is engaged in the only-by-instruments-reached-and-operated, entirely invisible chemical, metallurgical, electronic, and cybernetic realms of reality. GRUNCH's giants average thirty-four years of age, most having grown out of what Eisenhower called the post World War II "military-industrial complex." They are not the same as the pre-World War II international copper or tin cartels. The grunch of giants consists of the corporately interlocked owners of a vast invisible empire, which includes airwaves and satellites; plus a vast visible empire, which includes all the only eighteen-year-old and younger skyscraper cluster cities around the world, as well as the factories and research laboratories remotely ringing the old cities and all the Oriental industrial deployment, such as in Taiwan, South Korea, Malaysia, Hong Kong, and Singapore. It controls the financial credit system of the noncommunist world together with all the financial means of initiating any world-magnitude mass-production and -distribution ventures. By making pregraduation employment contracts with almost all promising university science students, it monopolizes all the special theoretical know-how to exploit its vast inventory of already acquired invisible know-how technology.

Who runs GRUNCH? Nobody knows. It controls all the world's banks. Even the muted Swiss banks. It does what its lawyers tell it to. It maintains technical legality, and is prepared to prove it. Its law firm is named Machiavelli, Machiavelli, Atoms & Oil. Some think the second Mach is a cover for Mafia.

GRUNCH didn't invent Universe. It didn't invent anything. It monopolizes know-where and know-how but is devoid of know-why. It is preoccupied with absolute selfishness and its guaranteed gratifications. It is as blind as its Swiss banks are mute."
- from "Grunch Of Giants" 1982

Boy oh boy, you are one sensitive ashhole dane, hemorrhoids everywhere,,,,