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#182979 by J-HALEY
Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:40 pm
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:
Chaeya wrote:
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:
Chaeya wrote:I am very sensitive about my body hair all over the place, I have always been somewhat ashamed I am not like most other humans, but when I found out Caligula had an over abundance of body hair and was real sensitive I felt a lot better knowing I am not the only one in history that is overly sensitive about freakish things we all are endowed with but have no control over any of it, .. historians tell us you were smart you had better not mention "hairy goats" in front of Caligula since he was insane and very sensitive about it..


It was hard to mention most anything in front of Caligula, since he'd 'bout kill you or f**k you or f**k you then kill you just for being in his general vacinity.

Chaeya
basically what I was trying to say, was we all have things within and without the bodies that our souls /spirits were assigned to, but they are drawbacks we can overcome and gives us a certain unique identity that is special and acceptable without having to suck up to what society tells us is the norm, we can seek out like minded special and unique people to change the world for the better and make the so called "superiors" acknowledge we are as valued as they are..


Dane, I hate to admit it but those are words of wisdom! :wink:

#182986 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:02 am
J-HALEY wrote:
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:
Chaeya wrote:
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:
Chaeya wrote:I am very sensitive about my body hair all over the place, I have always been somewhat ashamed I am not like most other humans, but when I found out Caligula had an over abundance of body hair and was real sensitive I felt a lot better knowing I am not the only one in history that is overly sensitive about freakish things we all are endowed with but have no control over any of it, .. historians tell us you were smart you had better not mention "hairy goats" in front of Caligula since he was insane and very sensitive about it..


It was hard to mention most anything in front of Caligula, since he'd 'bout kill you or f**k you or f**k you then kill you just for being in his general vacinity.

Chaeya
basically what I was trying to say, was we all have things within and without the bodies that our souls /spirits were assigned to, but they are drawbacks we can overcome and gives us a certain unique identity that is special and acceptable without having to suck up to what society tells us is the norm, we can seek out like minded special and unique people to change the world for the better and make the so called "superiors" acknowledge we are as valued as they are..


Dane, I hate to admit it but those are words of wisdom! :wink:




yea, I have to agree with him on that. Dang...



:lol:

#182987 by Chaeya
Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:03 am
PaperDog wrote:Chaeya, what remains is a very big and critical question.

There are many of us, who truly are sorrowful for what those generations suffered. We, in today's generation, cant undo those terrible things...

But there must be something that we can do today......How can we (White persons) make it right today? What must we change and how shall we change it ...to earn the Black person's forgiveness. ...Is there hope of forgiveness?

And Chaeya, You are wanted...! :D You got a man and a daughter who love you...and nobody can take that away...You were made for that and for all the love you can derive with it. ...


Thanks for your kind words, Dog, but I've already forgiven them. What I don't like is the lack of acknowledgement. The "oh quit whining and get over it" attitude. What I want is just to know I have as much chance as anyone else and not have to feel like I don't have it. I just want any and everybody to take ownership of the past - every race, not just white. No amount of money or a casino or whatnot can replace just getting some respect. Right? I mean, when I hear whites say "I wasn't born then and I had nothing to do with slavery," but I look around them and see that they won't afford non-whites the same opportunities as they would themselves, then yes, they are just as bad.

Hollywood and the media has done an excellent job of racially profiling and imprinting that image onto people to the point where you do see a black man walking down the street in a hoodie, you automatically think - oh crap, that guy's up to something. Heck, I even think it and I'm ashamed to say so. But yet, just as many white guys in my neighborhood walk around in baggy pants and hoodies, but you think "oh, he's okay." Honestly, I see anyone in a hoodie, I'm on my guard now.

When people see a predominantly black or Hispanic area they automatically think there's tons of crime. But I live in a predominately white area. And if you look at the police blotter for Huntington Beach and Newport Beach there's just as many thefts, stabbings, and shootings done by white people! A few years ago, this guy was at a party, and he fell asleep on the couch. This gang of kids dragged him outside and kicked the crap out of him for nothing, and the girls laughed and filmed it all. He was darn near killed - and this happened in an upper class white neighborhood. I never even knew about this until one reporter wrote a small editorial about it. But they make sure they put all the black and Hispanic crime in the paper so people will go: "see how violent they are?"

There's a whole white gang underground in the beach cities who will flippin' kill you if you get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's filled with drugs, prostitution, and all sorts of crime. But the media has convinced everyone that it's in the "urban" cities where these problems exist. Because I live across the street from an illegal alien community, they joke and call my area a slum, yet the problems don't come from them, they mind their own business, but the problems come from the white meth heads and their tweaker girlfriends fighting and carrying on in the area in back, breaking into people's cars, sheds, and houses.

Hollywood and the Media constantly casts blacks and Hispanics as thugs, hoodlums, drug addicts and other undesireables, and people refer to the neighborhoods in their own backyards and go, "yes, that's true."

A lower class neighborhood is a lower class neighborhood. It doesn't matter what color you are, you're dealing with people with little education and little drive to make their lives better.

I've had people automatically assume that I'm a single mother, I'm on welfare - I've always worked, I've never been on welfare! They think I don't know who the father of my children are. They think I grew up in the ghetto. I grew up in an all black, middle class neighborhood. But I had a normal picket fence existence. The men worked, the women stayed home with the kids. We had club houses, played ball, and outside of the normal fisticuffs here and there, we all got along. I went to summer camp, vacations, and did other fun stuff. But you don't hear about these black people, you just hear about the ghetto, so the image in the public's mind is Black people = Ghetto. Hispanics = Bario. Native Americans = Drunks.

But on the flip side of all this, the truth be told, I think that black people have regressed somewhat from 30 years ago. Many of the nice black neighborhoods around when I was growing up in St. Louis, got swallowed up by the ghetto element. Somewhere along the way, many stopped trying and bought into the negative element that rap music brought with it. I mean, I see how the whites in my neighborhood are trying to buy into that same element and many of them are making the same mistakes. They don't go to school, they don't work, they walk around with that "attitude" that they're entitled to something. And it's wandered over to the Hispanics, and the Vietnamese. White girls are getting pregnant as teenagers and not caring, many of them strung out on drugs. There are so many children of drug addicts around me, it's sick.

And since all the other forms of black music have gone by the wayside, like R&B, Jazz, Blues (that white people have taken over), etc., rap is all that's left and it mistakenly drills into the heads of young blacks that becoming a rapper or a sports star is their only way to success. These kids aren't even trying to stay in school or go to college, or try to make their way. There's still some, but not like it used to be. I get angered by the fact that at least other races have garnered some solidarity and their own networks, and black people haven't. If you want to talk about Hispanics, there are a number of Africans migrating here now, and so now, American black people will not have to compete with not only the illegal workers, but these Africans who are living in the ghettos and most likely taking the lower wage jobs.

When I was coming along, there was an element of black pride about educating yourself. You had black leaders like Jesse Jackson, Julian Bond, Angela Davis. Men had pride in getting a job and earning for their families- despite the typical ghetto element that got rammed down everyone's throats.

So what to do? I have no idea. If I open my mouth, people get mad because you want so much more for the people, and you get told to shut up because I'm light-skinned, I'm half-white, I'm not one of them. Can you imagine how many times I've been left banging my head against the wall? I've already accepted that things aren't going to be fair and that I have to make my own way, and it's made me a very strong person because of it.

Maybe we're just in a dark ages right now and that we just have to do what we do and ride the tide until a new awakening comes along. I thought it was happening in the 1990s when something spiritual was happening, especially in music, and then when 2000 hit, it just died. Now it's just this stagnation and entropy, I feel.

Everyone of all races have bought into this "victim" mentality and this utter helplessness. They're so busy demanding that everyone accept them and respect them, but then they're not doing the same for themselves. So now, everyone's angry at the other and the walls go up. And again, the media perpetrates the problem by setting one side against the other, all in the name of sensationalism. I refuse to buy into the madness or allow the media to control my feelings.

Chaeya

#182988 by Chaeya
Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:09 am
yod wrote:So dear sister, I have come up with a plan to make a change. But first, without doing a google search, I'd like know who among you even knows what "Juneteenth" is?


Yod, I didn't know, I had never heard of it, so I cheated and googled it because I can't help myself. So it's the Emancipation Day of Slavery on June 19th!

Sucks, because this wasn't passed around and it should have been.

Chaeya

#182989 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:09 am
J-HALEY wrote:No one in the HISTORY of my family EVER owned a slave. :



Mine either...but the real problem isn't the ignorant idiots. No, the real problem are those who are just indifferent about it and remain silent while injustice and prejudice is happening all around them.

To not oppose and challenge any kind of prejudice and racism is an endorsement through one's silence. I've been guilty of that when I was younger, but never again.


In the end, it is not the insults of our enemies that we will remember, but the silence of our friends - Martin Luther King

#182990 by Chaeya
Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:11 am
Dane Ellis Allen wrote:basically what I was trying to say, was we all have things within and without the bodies that our souls /spirits were assigned to, but they are drawbacks we can overcome and gives us a certain unique identity that is special and acceptable without having to suck up to what society tells us is the norm, we can seek out like minded special and unique people to change the world for the better and make the so called "superiors" acknowledge we are as valued as they are..


Very well said, Dane!

Chaeya

#182994 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:33 am
Chaeya wrote:
yod wrote:So dear sister, I have come up with a plan to make a change. But first, without doing a google search, I'd like know who among you even knows what "Juneteenth" is?


Yod, I didn't know, I had never heard of it, so I cheated and googled it because I can't help myself. So it's the Emancipation Day of Slavery on June 19th!

Sucks, because this wasn't passed around and it should have been.

Chaeya




Well, darn, you told everyone already.


The abolition of slavery is probably the greatest accomplishment of christians in the history of America, but we have never celebrated because it came at such a high cost.

Most people think that Lincoln freed the slaves but the Emancipation Proclaimation only freed southern slaves who had northern owners. About a dozen of them....

Slavery ended on June 19th 1865 because of a Federal order issued by General Gordon Grainger in Galveston Texas, two years after the Civil War ended. He didn't even get permission from the Federal Government to do that.

I've always known about Juneteenth but it's sad that so many people don't know, and apparently are indifferent about what happened to black people afterwards because it was a hundred years later before they were recognized as people who deserved the right to vote, use water fountains and public bathrooms, etc.

One of my friends, Peter Loth, was born in Stuttoff Concentration Camp in 1944 and was a human medical experiment for Nazi doctors for the first 2 years of his life.

At the end of the war, he was an orphan in Poland and was gang-raped by Russian guards so much that he had 6 rectal surgeries.

His mother found him in 1956 and brought him to Georgia, where she had married a black American soldier. Inter-racial marriage was enough for Peter to meet the KKK, and they were almost as bad as the Nazis and the Russians had been to him. He couldn't go to black OR white school. He couldn't ride in the front of the bus or use white water fountains.

Talk about persecution and prejudice? Peter knows it better than anyone you could name.


We have a plan to make a difference. Even if you don't think it will work, don't tell me because it won't stop us.

This last June 19th, we held a public event on the very property where slavery was first established in Virginia 1609. The great great grandaughter of General Grainger came to speak for him as black churches, white churches, Jewish congregations, and American Natives were all there with their leaders making clear statement about the need to break the indifference within the christian community in a way that can set an example for everyone else.

So....the plan we have begun is to organize public prayer marches in at least 100 cities of the USA where black churches will walk through their destroyed communities with white churches hand in hand.

All it takes is one black church and one white church in a city to agree to this, and then they will choose the time and place while we promote each city on a national level through our website. Without trying I've got about a dozen so far. I'll start working on it when I get back from Poland next Tuesday.

I have seen a lot of passion to do this, and believe that thousands in each city are going to show up who are not christians, but we will keep the focus on remembering atrocities, educating the public, and offering mercy to those who will face their own darkness, and showing the power of forgiveness so we can go into the future TOGETHER.

I know it sounds impossible...but I've been having the most impossible dreams for a few decades now and they all come true when I start taking small steps towards preparing for the results.

For example....I was sitting at a table today with the Mayor of Warsaw and the Vice Speaker of the Israeli Knesset who were brought together by the Germans I mentioned earlier. We have begun planning reconcilation events all over Poland that will go throught 2015.

It was reported on by Israeli, French, German, and Polish TV and newspapers. Tomorrow the story will come out on Reuters, so you can all read about it.

It started with an impossible dream I had in May of 2006 and I'm not going to quit until I see it happen. Impossible only means it will take full commitment over time. We plan to do this Juneteenth March of Remembrance every June 19th until white churches and black churches walk together in every city of America. If we will only walk together, I believe the Spirit of Holiness will guide us to the next steps we must take individually.

So....who is brave enough to walk with us in America on June 19, 2013?




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#182999 by JCP61
Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:47 am
Well, Vampier,
looks like your dream come true to me.
I will watch the great gathering of poets, artists and such like, with interest.

#183000 by JCP61
Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:49 am
wait a sec,
it's already august.....

#183008 by Cajundaddy
Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:20 am
yod wrote:
Chaeya wrote:
yod wrote:So dear sister, I have come up with a plan to make a change. But first, without doing a google search, I'd like know who among you even knows what "Juneteenth" is?


Yod, I didn't know, I had never heard of it, so I cheated and googled it because I can't help myself. So it's the Emancipation Day of Slavery on June 19th!

Sucks, because this wasn't passed around and it should have been.

Chaeya




Well, darn, you told everyone already.


The abolition of slavery is probably the greatest accomplishment of christians in the history of America, but we have never celebrated because it came at such a high cost.

Most people think that Lincoln freed the slaves but the Emancipation Proclaimation only freed southern slaves who had northern owners. About a dozen of them....

Slavery ended on June 19th 1865 because of a Federal order issued by General Gordon Grainger in Galveston Texas, two years after the Civil War ended. He didn't even get permission from the Federal Government to do that.

I've always known about Juneteenth but it's sad that so many people don't know, and apparently are indifferent about what happened to black people afterwards because it was a hundred years later before they were recognized as people who deserved the right to vote, use water fountains and public bathrooms, etc.

One of my friends, Peter Loth, was born in Stuttoff Concentration Camp in 1944 and was a human medical experiment for Nazi doctors for the first 2 years of his life.

At the end of the war, he was an orphan in Poland and was gang-raped by Russian guards so much that he had 6 rectal surgeries.

His mother found him in 1956 and brought him to Georgia, where she had married a black American soldier. Inter-racial marriage was enough for Peter to meet the KKK, and they were almost as bad as the Nazis and the Russians had been to him. He couldn't go to black OR white school. He couldn't ride in the front of the bus or use white water fountains.

Talk about persecution and prejudice? Peter knows it better than anyone you could name.


We have a plan to make a difference. Even if you don't think it will work, don't tell me because it won't stop us.

This last June 19th, we held a public event on the very property where slavery was first established in Virginia 1609. The great great grandaughter of General Grainger came to speak for him as black churches, white churches, Jewish congregations, and American Natives were all there with their leaders making clear statement about the need to break the indifference within the christian community in a way that can set an example for everyone else.

So....the plan we have begun is to organize public prayer marches in at least 100 cities of the USA where black churches will walk through their destroyed communities with white churches hand in hand.

All it takes is one black church and one white church in a city to agree to this, and then they will choose the time and place while we promote each city on a national level through our website. Without trying I've got about a dozen so far. I'll start working on it when I get back from Poland next Tuesday.

It was reported on by Israeli, French, German, and Polish TV and newspapers. Tomorrow the story will come out on Reuters, so you can all read about it.

It started with an impossible dream I had in May of 2006 and I'm not going to quit until I see it happen. Impossible only means it will take full commitment over time. We plan to do this Juneteenth March of Remembrance every June 19th until white churches and black churches walk together in every city of America. If we will only walk together, I believe the Spirit of Holiness will guide us to the next steps we must take individually.

So....who is brave enough to walk with us in America on June 19, 2013?


I'm in for this. I'll probably bring along 10,000 of my closest friends as well. I'm afraid I don't know what a black church or white church is anymore. Our church is of every nation and tribe at every level of leadership.

#183016 by Chaeya
Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:58 am
yod wrote:Well, darn, you told everyone already.


The abolition of slavery is probably the greatest accomplishment of christians in the history of America, but we have never celebrated because it came at such a high cost.

Most people think that Lincoln freed the slaves but the Emancipation Proclaimation only freed southern slaves who had northern owners. About a dozen of them....

Slavery ended on June 19th 1865 because of a Federal order issued by General Gordon Grainger in Galveston Texas, two years after the Civil War ended. He didn't even get permission from the Federal Government to do that.

I've always known about Juneteenth but it's sad that so many people don't know, and apparently are indifferent about what happened to black people afterwards because it was a hundred years later before they were recognized as people who deserved the right to vote, use water fountains and public bathrooms, etc.

One of my friends, Peter Loth, was born in Stuttoff Concentration Camp in 1944 and was a human medical experiment for Nazi doctors for the first 2 years of his life.

At the end of the war, he was an orphan in Poland and was gang-raped by Russian guards so much that he had 6 rectal surgeries.

His mother found him in 1956 and brought him to Georgia, where she had married a black American soldier. Inter-racial marriage was enough for Peter to meet the KKK, and they were almost as bad as the Nazis and the Russians had been to him. He couldn't go to black OR white school. He couldn't ride in the front of the bus or use white water fountains.

Talk about persecution and prejudice? Peter knows it better than anyone you could name.


We have a plan to make a difference. Even if you don't think it will work, don't tell me because it won't stop us.

This last June 19th, we held a public event on the very property where slavery was first established in Virginia 1609. The great great grandaughter of General Grainger came to speak for him as black churches, white churches, Jewish congregations, and American Natives were all there with their leaders making clear statement about the need to break the indifference within the christian community in a way that can set an example for everyone else.

So....the plan we have begun is to organize public prayer marches in at least 100 cities of the USA where black churches will walk through their destroyed communities with white churches hand in hand.

All it takes is one black church and one white church in a city to agree to this, and then they will choose the time and place while we promote each city on a national level through our website. Without trying I've got about a dozen so far. I'll start working on it when I get back from Poland next Tuesday.

I have seen a lot of passion to do this, and believe that thousands in each city are going to show up who are not christians, but we will keep the focus on remembering atrocities, educating the public, and offering mercy to those who will face their own darkness, and showing the power of forgiveness so we can go into the future TOGETHER.

I know it sounds impossible...but I've been having the most impossible dreams for a few decades now and they all come true when I start taking small steps towards preparing for the results.

For example....I was sitting at a table today with the Mayor of Warsaw and the Vice Speaker of the Israeli Knesset who were brought together by the Germans I mentioned earlier. We have begun planning reconcilation events all over Poland that will go throught 2015.

It was reported on by Israeli, French, German, and Polish TV and newspapers. Tomorrow the story will come out on Reuters, so you can all read about it.

It started with an impossible dream I had in May of 2006 and I'm not going to quit until I see it happen. Impossible only means it will take full commitment over time. We plan to do this Juneteenth March of Remembrance every June 19th until white churches and black churches walk together in every city of America. If we will only walk together, I believe the Spirit of Holiness will guide us to the next steps we must take individually.

So....who is brave enough to walk with us in America on June 19, 2013?

.


I'm down for it. I'm Wiccan but I'm still in. I don't think this is just a Christian issue, I think it's a human issue. I would love to meet your friend, Peter. He's had to overcome so much. Geez.

Chaeya

#183020 by PaperDog
Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:51 am
Its something I definitely would consider... Does this happen every year?

#183023 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:57 am
Yes, we started with one prayer walk on Yom HaShoah (Holocaust remembrance day) 2007 in Germany. It went to east Germany 2008, then Ukraine, Latvia, LIthuania, now Poland with Russia, Romania, and Hungary coming in the next years

Then I organized one in Dallas 2009 specifically to let holocaust survivors give public testimony at City Hall, because I have so many friends who are either descendants of, or survivors themselves. Other cities heard about it because I'd present it at my concerts, and every year more of them would do likewise. Last year there were 60 and it has happened in 4 cities of S America, the Phillipines, Austrailia, Europe, and Kenya. Most of them are small but that is because people are afraid at first. Some of them are quit large though. Lima Peru has always been the biggest one until this year in Houston. I'm always at the main event in D.C. and NYC

Since I don't have a big promotional budget or staff, most Americans still haven't heard about it, but Israel did and the Knesset gave me an award last November...which is where the Polish heard about it.

But at an interview with CBS last November I realized people still don't understand that it's about ALL prejudice and think we only care about Jews....so I decided to start organizing for Juneteenth and meeting with the Chiefs of 5 Indian nations in Birmingham next month to begin planning walks on the Trail of Tears.


It seems like such a simple thing to walk together in public, but I find that preparing to walk really challenges people to do some inner searching and face their fear, pain, and shame.

And, as a christian who goes into many kinds of churches/congregations, it is a shame that Sunday is the most segregated day in America. We need to address that and the leaders never have a vested interest in changing the status quo, so this inititative goes over their heads right to the saints.

Yes, I do believe a tidal wave is coming and we all need to be prepared for it.

Haven't searched for it yet but the Reuters story should come out today. Do a search for "March of Life" (marchoflife.org) and let me know when you find it.

I must go now on to Treblinka. Check back tonight from somewhere near there.


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#183026 by JCP61
Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:05 am
just out of curiosity,
how many mosques and Muslim groups are participating?

#183071 by Chaeya
Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:19 pm
Yod,

Another event that has been happening for a few years is the Playing for Change Organization which features musicians from around the world to rise above war and segregation.

http://www.playingforchangeday.org/

There are some great performances on there you can see on video.

Chaeya

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