General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

(and you guy whine about Bush??)

Does anybody remember a lil ol event called 911?? Bush responded accordingly and if i recall, I myself was glued to the TV to see the fireworks in Baghdad... You gonna tell us that you were watching "Dancing with the Stars"? .

Anybody with a military background will tell you that invasions aren't an overnight 1 hour show. American public seems to have turned into a bunch of bitchy little girls when they got bored and didn't get to see the fire works . So "The war has to end now...I don't wanna play no more"

"Bush responded accordingly" mmmm yeah he ought to have, his response was apparently already planned out back in 1998 by the Neocon "Project For A New American Century" (PNAC) Manifesto, outlining the need to station large amounts of troops in the area around Afganistan and Pakistan to control gas and oil pipelines to Europe ... the main problem with the plan then was how to sell such an expensive idea to the American public. The observation was made that only a Pearl Harbor like event would do the trick. And three years later .... we get the tragedy of 911.

Actually It was the Balkans, (Corridor that plan was manifest over and it wasn't Bush who executed it... It was Clinton . Now, I don't disagree with some of the conspiracy fodder, but... pinning it to only one party or two...is irresponsible. At the end of the day Vinny, if you drive a car that needs gas (Like a caprice) then this whole thing is your fault.

...I am clearly not advocating that anyone secede from the "union". Nor do I feel that there is anything wrong with people who were born in a partucular location, having grown, lived, travelled, experienced etc or even identified with that area. Then coming to realize that they are both thankful and proud of their ForeFathers and the existence that was created by them which allowed such to grow and mature healthy and happy ....and proud.

Facts are facts regarding "stolen" and "murder". Glen knows more than you realize that I do not hate my country ...did you not read my words regarding "hating" to Dane ?

Regarding the "Homeland Police State" having so much ammo for internal insurrection ... sheeeeet this is the first time Planet Guy.

Ta

...Osama was "murdered" like an Agatha Christy novel. He was put on ice at the time of his natural death for the moment the curtain opened for "the big performance" when Hillary and Obama "acted" their little play as they "watched live" the "raid" on Osama. Now that was a load of orchestrated sheeeeet Planet Guy. Regarding "Bush and everyother President having the same ability" ...no they did not. The passing of each executive order is merely created and then passed on to the next puppet/president and is included with his own new executive orders. Obama "created" the on dealing with his ability to arrest, detain and incarcerate with torture any citizen without trial or due process. And ... since when is the "ability" of a single "elected" official and servant of the people like the President to arrest, detain indefinately without trial or charge or disappear or execute ? ...in the United States of America under the Constiution, Bill of Rights and Amendments ... a citixen ??? "Ability" ???

Ta

I thought Bush and his cronies were into waterboarding which is a form of torture? not aware Obama was a believer in waterboarding..

....Death Panels ...deciding who lives in that who gets an operation and how soon dependant upon their assessed need. Old and sick do not "score" as high as young and injured. Look into it Kind of sounds like eugenics...Hitler and Huxley does it not ?

Of course Mass Murder is no joking matter especially when it is advertised in advance. Objection is fine and you are of course entitled to it the same as any other. I welcome your views and opinions ... especially those spawned from critical thought. After all they are getting the "Fema Showers" ready.

The middleclass in America are being eliminated, murdered, culled, killed off, whichever term you prefer ... eliminated ... made redundant. They are considered the enemy by the new world corporate masters. Ta

.... I always tell those that Post when I agree or diagree with them as that is the basis of the Forum. I did the same with you and this more than negates my "accepting only those that adhere to my view. I freely admit that I do not know everything nor am I an expert in anything but I do think, process and decide upon my own. I readily identify with Mike Talbot and PaperDog in this respect. We actually do agree in part on "labels" just with different perspectives.

I know that you are no fool and I will never call you one just because you do not agree with me. I compliment you on shaming the psuedo troll. Although recently he seems to be plaugerising the Truth frequently. This is rather un-nerving.

I sincerely feel that for instance if we sought in our Forum Exchanges to find common grounds and even similiar beliefs, we might be more productive. After all it is not a contest of who is right or who is wrong I believe but a quest for truth and really neither of us are well equiped fo this ... so we speculate. Ta

if my terminal disease has advanced so far as to go before a "DEATH PANEL" then please just pull my plug..

...Slacker G ... all I can say is AMEN.

Planet Guy I firmly believe that there are those who are awake and aware of what is transpiring and those who are not. I have no desire at this late point to argue extensively nor to try and persuade you to any of my thoughts.

We are entitled to believe and to think the way we wish and indeed what we wish ... it is that thing called Freedom of course. I also believe that very soonthis Freedom will cease to be if nothing is done to preserve it. I truly wish and hope that I am mistaken in my belief and incorrect in this. But I feel that it is all so blatant and so apparent now that even the blind should see it but the blind can not see can they ? I enjoy this discourse with you.




Ta

ahhh...but of course the blind can "see". they just use other senses.

....Planet Guy you are mistaken. The blind can not see. They can not see the words of the scroll and the deaf can not hear them. Visions to the blind are as words within a book which is closed and sealed.

The blind only think they can see it the dark. Plans laid in the dark and hidden in secrecy can bear only deeds of darkness. Few of the blind can see out of their chosen gloom and darkness.

My detiny is not from a vengeful dark place ... is yours ?

The blind who think they can see only wallow in their doxa. Yheir thoughts are mirages. Your rhetoric is merely the trafficking of opinions not even your own. As long as one lives within the domain of doxa, one is enslaved to the prevailing opinions of the "social" world.


"Even the best opinions are blind"

Socrates

....Planet Guy you are mistaken. The blind can not see. They can not see the words of the scroll and the deaf can not hear them. Visions to the blind are as words within a book which is closed and sealed.

The blind only think they can see it the dark. Plans laid in the dark and hidden in secrecy can bear only deeds of darkness. Few of the blind can see out of their chosen gloom and darkness.

My detiny is not from a vengeful dark place ... is yours ?

The blind who think they can see only wallow in their doxa. Yheir thoughts are mirages. Your rhetoric is merely the trafficking of opinions not even your own. As long as one lives within the domain of doxa, one is enslaved to the prevailing opinions of the "social" world.


"Even the best opinions are blind"

Socrates

sorry vamp...i read that and every bone in my head hurts.

i would expect someone who writes as obliquely as you to realize that vision is but one way to "see".

and actually, same can be said for "vision". does one need to have vision to have a vision?

is miracle whip really the same as mayo? methinks not.

as for: " My detiny is not from a vengeful dark place ... is yours ?

my destiny isn't "from" anywhere, but instead where i'm heading.

i did come from a very dark place. no lighting in me mums womb.

i suspect it will be equally dark in my cemetery plot.

When you can snatch the pebbles from my hand,
Grasshopper, then it will be time for you to go.

....no need to apologize. My apologies to your head ... if only I could affect your heart in the same manner. "Vision" is but a small part of the greater process of "seeing". Vision is sight ... with the eyes or anticipatory or prophetic. It can be a mirage or Fata Morgana ... even an hallucination induced by drink or drug. True Artists/Musicians have vision which is imaginative conception not dependent upon the eyes.

The blind often "dream" that they can see even if they were never sighted. In the same manner some deaf "dream" they can hear. As fo miracle whip or mayo ... I believe they are of no consequence and have no place in this discussion.

Destiny ...we are all entangled in this world. Our embodied Spirits are associated with sense organs, the mind and vital breath ... Prana. The Spirit should be the pivot of our existence. Either we are the body and have a Spirit or we are the Spirit which has a body.

If you are a Body and have a spirit then for you materialism and glorification of the body is the goal of your existence and competition, violence and hatred are the means to attain the goal. If you are a Spirit with a body then your body is a secondary thing and only a means to fulfil your Spiritual end.

We are at this moment in time just passing through a part of our Spiritual evolution associated with gloom and darkness ... a part of the sacred thread of our existence ... The Way of the Fathers. Perhaps this better explains my statement "My Destiny is not from a vengeful dark place ... is yours?"

Planet Guy you are wrong in saying that your destiny is not from anywhere ... I hope. The failure of mankind with respect to the "universal oneness" that envelopes us all is the greatest illusion od so-called "modern man". Our lives are merely BioDance and Music ... that is actions and tones and vibrations. Failure to "see" and to understand this is the inevitability of personal extinction.

By your action you create your destiny only in part.The cycle of birth and death upon this earth is formed from 8.4 million forms of life ... only one of which is human. Only as humans are we in a position to do something about our destiny by doing the right thing at the right time ... like playing music and hence Karma ... in tune or out of tune.

We become virtuous by virtuous action and evil by evil action. The largest part of our destinies are preordained with the balance decided by our actions. Fate and Destiny are related causally ... one who believes in destiny has to believe in fate.

"Our destiny was shaped long before the body came into being"

Tulsidas

You are in part correct for what we meet in life is destiny and how we meet it is our choice alone. This is the place where the task is to be done ... you are the doer ... there are different instruments available and various methods of execution. There are also natural forces ... forces not under our control. These 5 also determine our course of action and result. This demonstrates both by that which is preordained and action.

French women are experts at destiny by the way. It is said that destiny is a riddle ... wrapped in a mystery ... inside of an enigma. It is well worth looking at the Rishis of the Upanishads and the Theorems of Godel and John S. Bell which imply our oneness very well.

Ta

...Slacker G ... all I can say is AMEN.

I have no desire at this late point to argue extensively nor to try and persuade you to any of my thought

if only!

French women are experts at destiny by the way. It is said that destiny is a riddle ... wrapped in a mystery ... inside of an enigma.

Yep that would be a woman...