General Music Chat

Penguin

You need to consider what your taxes are paying for: it's a bloody horror show! We're murdering people in at least a dozen countries, we have created a dreadful government repression apparatus.

Think how many armed paramilitary militias the govt has? ATF, FBI right on down to the SWAT Team created to inforce restrictions on whole milkl! We have as many jack booted thugs (that you are paying for) as the Soviet Union at it's peak. These are the bitches in military drag who 'minimized officer casualties at columbine' but bust lemonade stands and tazer granners.

yep - the best sadomachistic pukles since the Gestapo. And they cost a fortune! The combined police apparatus is introducing over 30000 drones to keep an eye on you and me - so the thugs will know where to find us.

Don't you mind paying for that?

We have as many people behind bars as the whole world combined and that includes China and Russia.

Do I destest the govt? Yep. They are criminals. Why would I not detest them?

Talbot

I had many customers who walked in with shirts and ties during the lunch hour... Also had a few long-haired hippy freak folk walk in at lunch. Invariably , with minor exception, The folks with the shirts and ties were less demanding, and always left bigger tips... whereas the long-haired hippy freaks (a broad definition for a variety of true liberal minded folk..and not all bad) , were typically more demanding ...and damned if they ever tipped...

I'd like to point out that not all liberals are "long-haired hippy freaks." While I do happen to have long hair and listen to a lot of 1960s music, I also have a job and bathe.

Okay but...Do you tip?

Penguin

You need to consider what your taxes are paying for: it's a bloody horror show! We're murdering people in at least a dozen countries, we have created a dreadful government repression apparatus.

Think how many armed paramilitary militias the govt has? ATF, FBI right on down to the SWAT Team created to inforce restrictions on whole milkl! We have as many jack booted thugs (that you are paying for) as the Soviet Union at it's peak. These are the bitches in military drag who 'minimized officer casualties at columbine' but bust lemonade stands and tazer granners.

yep - the best sadomachistic pukles since the Gestapo. And they cost a fortune! The combined police apparatus is introducing over 30000 drones to keep an eye on you and me - so the thugs will know where to find us.

Don't you mind paying for that?

We have as many people behind bars as the whole world combined and that includes China and Russia.

Do I destest the govt? Yep. They are criminals. Why would I not detest them?

Talbot

in order to accomplish a goal you need to acquire two things, knowledge & experience.

considering the state of most underdeveloped countries and their propensity to propagate criminals and terrorists; one of the most valuable assets the US has is, a vast number of social centers that are for the most part free from political violence.
this will continue to make the US the destination of choice for people and business.
that is if the security can be maintained.
in order to cope with what is coming you must go to where these things are happening and attempt to cope with those problems.

nobody likes to be watched, but we can all think of quite a few peoples and groups that we would gladly pay to have someone reliable watching them.

to quote an old movie,
"where you have greatness, either great power or great passion, error is also great, we grow and progress though fault"

I can't think of any goups I'd like to have
watched, and whose gonna pick the "reliable"
group to watch them.

Quote " One of the most valuable assets the Us has is a vast number of social centers that are the for the most part free from political violence"
I guess these social centers protect the politicians from harm, but whose
protecting the common man from the out of control police depts?

Quote "This will comyimue to make the US the destination of choice
for people and business" Yes it does seem to be the destination for
illegal aliens, but business? Corps are moving out of the country ie
businesses to Mexico, telemarketing to India, manufacturing to China,
a destination that indebts us to these countries.

Quote " That is if security can be maintained." Security from who, acorrupt govt, or the proletariat revolt.

To quote an old song:

Volunteers of America got a revolution got a revolution.

All these problems require more then words, they require action.
Yet all we get is trivial diatribe.

"It's the end of the world and I know it and I feel fine". lol

all you angry as hell right wingers are all lacking something...well, several things but one i see as a common trait.....you're all missing the compassion gene.

hey, you got YOURS...screw everyone else, right?

i can only imagine you living during the depression ...a mom and her hungry children show up at your door.....and you go into a rant of how the gov't is to blame and that she needs to take care of herself...patting yourself on the back for not being on the dole.....as you slam the door in her face.

yep, when the compassion gene was handed out...you guys got shortchanged.

Sorry Planet, barking up the wrong tree now but that is a tragic mistake so often made by the left. I gave $20k to feed/cloth/house the needy last year. You??

We regularly serve homeless with our Citylink program locally, my wife and daughter flew to Detroit last month ($1000 each out of pocket) and spent 5 days doing outreach for the people of that once great city because it has such great need right now. We also support children on 3 continents who otherwise have little or no hope.

No, compassion for less fortunate we have in spades. We simply believe that it should be applied directly, face-to-face rather than through miserable government programs where half the money gets stolen to fund pet projects. Government assistance is the last, worst alternative.

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Cool J7. While everyone else is out there figuring out who to blame and what laws should be passed and what part of society the money should come from and all the B.S. lies that go on and money that never gets to where it should be, because it truly is not from the heart......
People like you are truly applying pressure to the wound to stop the bleeding.
All the rest just want to keep the wound open for their own reasons.
Thank you J7.. Live long and prosper!!!!!

Before the world ends I just want to wish everyone at the Bonneville Salt Flats good luck for the next 5 days.

"He says the government should take over all business and run it as he has the government motors."

and when and where did he say that, slackerg??? damn,there's nothing worse than a fool and a liar.

whatever it takes to make your point huh???

all you angry as hell right wingers are all lacking something...well, several things but one i see as a common trait.....you're all missing the compassion gene.

hey, you got YOURS...screw everyone else, right?

i can only imagine you living during the depression ...a mom and her hungry children show up at your door.....and you go into a rant of how the gov't is to blame and that she needs to take care of herself...patting yourself on the back for not being on the dole.....as you slam the door in her face.

yep, when the compassion gene was handed out...you guys got shortchanged.

Where did I hear that? From the BIG mouth of your fearless leader in the last two speeches on his last campaign stops. How do brain dead libs such as yourself remain so ignorant of all that is going on around you?

You are obviously a tyrant and a traitor as you stand with tyrants and traitors. You stand with them on every issue. How about you showing some compassion for your hard working Americans whose lives are being destroyed by illegal edicts and tyrannical behavior of the leftists in this regime?

We are being robbed blind by these thieves , and so are future generations through the policies of these traitors in government who are supposed to be doing the will of the people, not their own agendas. Illegal aliens are stealing from hard working Americans and you stand up for that. You sir are an idiot, because you shall eventually end up under the oppressive hand of this regime that you support through your complete ignorance.

"He says the government should take over all business and run it as he has the government motors."

and when and where did he say that, slackerg??? damn,there's nothing worse than a fool and a liar.

whatever it takes to make your point huh???

all you angry as hell right wingers are all lacking something...well, several things but one i see as a common trait.....you're all missing the compassion gene.

hey, you got YOURS...screw everyone else, right?

i can only imagine you living during the depression ...a mom and her hungry children show up at your door.....and you go into a rant of how the gov't is to blame and that she needs to take care of herself...patting yourself on the back for not being on the dole.....as you slam the door in her face.

yep, when the compassion gene was handed out...you guys got shortchanged.

Where did I hear that? From the BIG mouth of your fearless leader in the last two speeches on his last campaign stops. How do brain dead libs such as yourself remain so ignorant of all that is going on around you?

You are obviously a tyrant and a traitor as you stand with tyrants and traitors. You stand with them on every issue. How about you showing some compassion for your hard working Americans whose lives are being destroyed by illegal edicts and tyrannical behavior of the leftists in this regime?

We are being robbed blind by these thieves , and so are future generations through the policies of these traitors in government who are supposed to be doing the will of the people, not their own agendas. Illegal aliens are stealing from hard working Americans and you stand up for that. You sir are an idiot, because you shall eventually end up under the oppressive hand of this regime that you support through your complete ignorance.

Slacker, He, We ..may all survive... Even the White house needs a house band, during bad times

"He says the government should take over all business and run it as he has the government motors."

and when and where did he say that, slackerg??? damn,there's nothing worse than a fool and a liar.

whatever it takes to make your point huh???

all you angry as hell right wingers are all lacking something...well, several things but one i see as a common trait.....you're all missing the compassion gene.

hey, you got YOURS...screw everyone else, right?

i can only imagine you living during the depression ...a mom and her hungry children show up at your door.....and you go into a rant of how the gov't is to blame and that she needs to take care of herself...patting yourself on the back for not being on the dole.....as you slam the door in her face.

yep, when the compassion gene was handed out...you guys got shortchanged.

Where did I hear that? From the BIG mouth of your fearless leader in the last two speeches on his last campaign stops. How do brain dead libs such as yourself remain so ignorant of all that is going on around you?

You are obviously a tyrant and a traitor as you stand with tyrants and traitors. You stand with them on every issue. How about you showing some compassion for your hard working Americans whose lives are being destroyed by illegal edicts and tyrannical behavior of the leftists in this regime?

We are being robbed blind by these thieves , and so are future generations through the policies of these traitors in government who are supposed to be doing the will of the people, not their own agendas. Illegal aliens are stealing from hard working Americans and you stand up for that. You sir are an idiot, because you shall eventually end up under the oppressive hand of this regime that you support through your complete ignorance.

again i'm gonna call you out on being a liar and someone who misquotes others to bolster your dimwitted arguments and views. sounds rather "tyranical" if ya asked me.

i love it when an ignoramus calls someone else an idiot to make their point. please, rail some more about tyranny and losing what we have as you line up behind romney and his self serving buddies that will ALWAYS put THEIR interests first.

c'mon tell me some more about tyranny.

and please grab your bible and spout off some more about scripture as you like to do...while you're whining about all those mexicans that have ruined your neighborhood.

sure, bitch about illegals but i'm guessing those mexicans living in your neighborhood are NOT here illegally....yet you're bitching and moaning about them.

so, show me where it says to love your brother...UNLESS they're mexican

you sir are not only ignorant, but a liar, and a hypocrite.

tyranny??? you crack me up!

Please don't argue with Johnny Winter's grandpa. The illegal Mexicans took his job picking lettuce.

I just had a chat with my girlfriend's' 22 year old daughter about the concept of taxes.

She staunchly believes the following:

1) People who earn more money, should pay more taxes. (She doesn't understand why you 'need' more than enough money to get by ).

2) She believes its okay for Starbucks to put out a Tip jar and expect tips. She does not recognize that merely stepping into the place to buy a coffee is actually doing them a favor. They should be tipped because "they earn less than me"

3) She believes the more money we pump into the government, the better...

This is a girl who smoked the LSAT test and will be attending law school next year. Shes no dummy... but in all honesty, I thought I was talking to a full fledged socialist.

Wait, you're saying those aren't perfectly reasonable statements?

1) I think it's just common sense that people who earn more should pay more. Just for curiosity, I did some calculations based on the 2012 tax rates, and it seems to me the way they do it now is perfectly reasonable. Say for the sake of argument you're single and earning $85,650 a year. At a 25% marginal tax rate, you come away with $68,208 after taxes, or roughly 80% of your earned income.

So, Basically you support taxing higher against Higher income earners, who fought twice as hard to get there? You believe we should tax them more, simply because they have the brains and skills to 'earn more' ? Dude...Wrong on copious number of levels..! I am an American of certain persuasion. I have never collected a single dime in welfare or comp or any other entitlement (except the GI BIll) Nobody ever 'gave' me a phukin dime. I notice lately, that I have [pretty much forfeited many of my rights to help other Americans in this country get on their feet. I would like those f**k to pay me back, if only in terms of some respect and gratitude. In My humble opiioin, It's really nobody's elses phukin business or right to dictate how much wealth I amass. (Especially if I wasn't breaking laws to obtain it) .

Now, that's proportionally less than if you were single and making $35,350 a year, placing you at the top of the next lowest tax bracket. In that case, you would have a 15% marginal rate and come away with $30,483, or 86% of your earned income. But if you're the first guy making $85,650 a year, your income after taxes is still nearly twice as much as the guy making $35,350 a year's income before taxes!

All this tells me is that I'm twice as smart or skilled as the dumb-ass, who's earning 35K. But, He has just as much of an opportunity to earn 85 k as I do..So I really don't see the rationale here. To those guys , I would say get off their lazy asses and develop themselves into people who are useful to society and bring value to the table. Then get rewarded accordingly.

By the way, note the word "marginal" there. If your salary got raised to $85,651 a year (your boss is so generous!), you wouldn't suddenly be paying 28% on all your income. Rather, you'd pay 10% on the first $8,700, then 15% on everything from there to $35,350, then 25% on everything from there to $85,650, and you'd only pay 28% on that one extra dollar. The math's a pain, but the results are less painful than if you paid 28% on everything.

Basically, it's reasonable for people who earn more money to pay proportionally more in taxes, because even though they're paying a higher percentage of their income, at the end of the day they're still walking away with more money. So the rich stay rich even while paying their fair share -- how's that for having their cake and eating it too?

Are you aware of how much charity the rich provide this nation? You want to know why your kids can Ice skate for free at the Rockefeller Plaza... Its sure aint because of the taxes we paid. The advances in MS or Cancer treatments... (Not from taxes)... You seem pretty good with the math... Tell me, where is my 30% going to? What am I paying for (That is successful) ? Casn somebody at least send me a bottle of the MD 20/20.... I need something to clean my broken down stove.

2) I think you (or she) put it backwards. It's not that baristas should be tipped because they earn less, but that they're paid less because the expectation is they will be tipped. So I also disagree with tip jars at Starbucks, but for a different reason than you do. If I'm paying that much for a cup of coffee, I'd hope more of that money would go to the barista who made it for me than, say, to paying Starbucks executives huge bonuses (in fairness I don't actually know where the money goes). Then they wouldn't need to rely so much on tips. What can I say -- I'm a musician with an English degree, they're probably some broke liberal arts graduate -- we starving artists have to look out for each other!

I tip when a tip is 'earned'.. That's to say, when service recognizes the value of my patronage, and then goes beyond that, to make my experience more than the bare minimum expectation calls for. That's when I tip... And then, I am a very generous tipper who takes into account the low wages they work hard for. But if they believe for one minute that i "owe" this to them,, they can go phuk themselves. As for artists looking out for one another... , sorry I have seen too many mooches, leeches and plain losers , all in the name of music, who expected me and or others to pick up the slack for them ...constantly... These are the same dick-heads that turn around then, and whine about my successes (which is relative term in my case )

So maybe I'm missing something, but what she said sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

I guess the "militant " portion of her logic might seem fuzzy...

you are a smart guy but guess you have never run into the phenomenon of nepotism? it runs rampant..IT AIN'T WHAT YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT WHO YOU KNOW! brains or intelligence has nothing to do with being financially better off or worse off than the next guy.. or at least plays a small amount

SLACKER you really ought to be worrying about Romney's new running mate gutting medicare as we know it, rather than the virtues of Nazi's slaughtering 6 million Jews, since you are at that age? medicare might have value to you.. 70+?

Penguin

I quite agree with you about business - the banksters are in bed with the govt and everybody wins. Everybody but us.

Talbot

Penguin

I quite agree with you about business - the banksters are in bed with the govt and everybody wins. Everybody but us.

Talbot

Jimmy crack corn and "I don't care"!